Any word on the New WW2 releases? Been very quiet....
Hey - Does anyone have any news about the new WW2 releases....????
I'm planning a revisit to the Pacific this fall and was hoping to have a squad of Dauntless.
I can't find any updates... Usually something out by now. eh?
Starving for prototype photos or any news on a realistic release date.
Thanks for any and all insights.
Joe
No new news.
There is a thread: News and Announcements - WGS - Series 6 announced.
They may have picked colors and possibly pilots, but no release dates.
Joe if you need Dauntless 1/200 models try www.spruebrothers.com They sell a blister of 4 Merit International Dauntless and Devastators with decals for 15$.
http://store.spruebrothers.com/Searc...0International
I'm learning to fly, but I ain't got wings
Coming down is the hardest thing
Still nothing advertised on the Ares Games Website - www.aresgames.eu about the new World War 2 releases. Though last talk I heard of them still pointed towards a release-date during 2015 for them.
Three other aircraft types feature alongside the Douglas SBD Dauntless in 1/200 Scale: The Messerschmitt Bf.109K and Republic P-47D Razorback Thunderbolt. There will also be a Japanese aircraft joining these but I cannot remember what it is going to be from memory. As with all Ares Games Official Miniatures there will be three different versions of each aircraft available ... Eventually!
I think it is very much of a 'watch this space' affair frustrating that this may be. I personally cannot wait to see the Republic P-47D in 1/200 Scale although it appears to be the Douglas SBD Dauntless which has the biggest fan-base on here. Wings of Glory WW2 or WGS desperately needs these new releases especially when compared with how WW1 or WGF appears to be on Series 8 or even Series 9 currently. Although I must say that the last new releases for WGS which were the Heavy Bomber types were of a most innovative nature ... All the more reason to follow this up quickly with smaller single-engine developments in order to maintain as well as create further new interest in playing this absolutely fantastic Wargame.
The forth is the Yokosuka D4Y Judy, the why in the.... plane of the seriesOriginally Posted by Aussietonka
Karl
It is impossible for a man to begin to learn what he thinks he knows. -- Epictetus
Well, yesterday, I emailed ARES GAMES to see what up with the Series 6 release (Dauntless, P-47, Messer, and Yokosuka). Asked what the paint schemes may be and when the release date would be. They were very quick to reply... Here is what I got back this morning....
Dear Joe,
Thank you for your interest in our game. Soon we will release the dates in which this products will be released. Thank you, Best regards.
WOW - Was that helpful!!!! or what?
Can not wait for the Dauntless.... Hopefully it comes out before my scheduled Pacific battle in early Dec.
Battle of Britain revisited this weekend.... Going to stretch reality a bit and allow Fockewulfs and Spit Mk. IXs in the fray.... Should be a hoot!
All you can do is wait. Don't plan till minis are in your hand
Yep. Patience is not one of my virtues, however. Fortunately (or unfortunately) I have plenty of inventory to muster. Can't wait to see 'em.
I think we are partly responsible for them being so reticent on giving release dates Joe.
When they did broadcast dates well in advance, and then did not meet them for many reasons, not least of which is that they are fighting a battle at arms length with production in China, we were rather caustic in our criticism for a considerable period of time.
I think that they now think it better not to make appointments that they can't honour, and consequently keep it under wraps until the last moment.
Rob.
"Courage is the art of being the only one who knows you're scared to death."
I want those K versions to make it for the B17s over Germany more comfortable.
Voilą le soleil d'Austerlitz!
Comfortable as in "Sleeping with the fishes" in the RhineI want those K versions to make it for the B17s over Germany more comfortable.
Karl'
It is impossible for a man to begin to learn what he thinks he knows. -- Epictetus
Rob - Thanks for your insights.... Best not to over promise and under deliver I guess.... But dang.
I wish I wasn't so into this game... I, my three brothers and a slew of friends can't get enough. Been wonderful doing all the research on the battles and airplanes - that are out. Learned a lot. But, I'm left with a hunger for more! The hours we've spent planning, painting play boards and actually playing would seem enough to quench the appetite. But, I was like a kid again when my first B-17 appeared in the mail. And now chomp my bit for the P-47, Dauntless and the new Messers. (and OK, the Yokosuka too).
Seems weird that they have ample offerings for WW1. Decisions might be made on sales. I love the WW1 too.
We have a Battle of Britain scheduled for this weekend. Have my bros doing pre-flight checks already. And we have folks coming in from 100 miles out to play. I wanted to include the Spit Mk IXs and Fockewulfs - but that caused quite a stir as those came out later in the war. So, we are re-enacting a fictitious "Battle for England" (that happened much later in the war, as you know)
Early December we go back to the Pacific (hopefully with the Dauntless). Bro Chris is insisting we also do a Mano y Mano WW1. Bring it!
I love this website. Very interesting talking to folks around the globe that enjoy the game. You do a grand job as well.
Thanks again!
Joe
Like my brother Joe, I can not get enough of this stuff...
Call it a mental challenge or insanity, but every time I open my box of planes, I am forced to pull every one of them out and fly it around the apartment.
Joe has a term for it, he calls it, "getting small".
When I see these minis, I "get small".
I'm pulled into the cockpit of that 1/200 scale aircraft and can hear the airflow negotiating the curves of the airframe and ailerons.
I'm just thinking outside of the box on this one; but, if Ares wanted to save money/cost, maybe they could also offer future miniatures in an un-assembled condition.
For me, because the lines on these minis are so beautiful, if any asymmetry exists on the model, I am forced (obsessed that is) to disassemble it and glue it back together with perfect symmetry.
It just pains me (as an example) when the horizontal stabilizer of the model is cocked off to the port 15 degrees. I know this behavior is not normal.
By they way, the assembly/symmetry on the P-51s, FWs, Spit M VIIIs, and Ki-84s were perfect... I mean perfect... Ares must have used a jig on assembly or something... I mean perfect...
I guess I want to sum up my babble like this:
Ares,
Thank you for the hours of fun, recreation, and fictional flight time you have given me that exist in no other game (video or otherwise).
I hope you can continue with these fantastic releases, and thank you for every one you have accomplished so far.
Thank you again Ares,
Chris
(p.s. This website and all of you that participate in it are awesome... Thank you also Wingsofwar.org)
Did I mention Grumman TBF Avenger? If not, then Grumman TBF Avenger...
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Memo to Chris-stop- behaviour quite normal-stop- no need for further action-stop- Kyte-stop.
"Courage is the art of being the only one who knows you're scared to death."
Thank you Officer Kyte - Stop
I love the symmetry - Stop
Do you go to the extent of re-gluing your models also (just curious sir)? - Stop
I love this stuff...
TBF Avenger
Kyte to Chris-stop- has been known-stop- Kyte-stop.
"Courage is the art of being the only one who knows you're scared to death."
Well Said Sir
Or even better Grumman TBM-III Avenger with one in Royal Navy FAA or RNZAF colours
Very nice sir...Well Said Sir
Or even better Grumman TBM-III Avenger with one in Royal Navy FAA or RNZAF colours
I would put together some of Her Majesty’s Aircraft as well
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I brought this up at Historicon this past weekend and some feel ARES is pulling out of the WWII stuff. Seems to some that WWI is more popular. This may be the reason WWII planes are slower to be released. As with you I wonder why the Judy? There is a Val and Zero but no Kate. There are the BoB planes so they need to fill out the Pacific planes.
I still feel that if the correct level of attention was paid to it by ARES that WW2 / WGS still has potential to grow even from where it is now. What ARES needs to scale back on are their fantasy games and use the opportunity cost to expand what is available for WGS keeping it attractive to the gaming market. I know somebody once said to me as we were messing about with 1/72 Easy Model aircraft and two D6s on the back garden patio two years ago that if you have a conflict ... you potentially have a wargame if you know how to produce it. 18 months later I discover WGS for the first time ... Given how I do public demonstrations of WGS down at my FLGS every month I am determined not to think I have arrived to witness the beginning of the end.
Strangely enough the Easy Model aircraft game never got named although I also remember getting shot from the sky by my friend! All in an afternoon's fun though ...
If ARES does give up on WW2 they really will not know IMHO what they have got. Until they lose it!
I have to agree...
Other air combat games pale by comparison.
The open board game movement gives me the feel of flight; un-tethered minis flying limitless across the board.
Other games only offer the repositioning of a plastic toy within a grid system.
I don't own a real airplane, I have never flown a real airplane (short of Microsoft that is), and this is the closest it gets for me... WOOO!!!!
Unfriendly skies over the Pacific... Lt. Jenkins and I will be waiting for you... WOOO!!!
I'm back now (post rant)
Avenger... Um... Avenger and Hellcat...
I almost forgot...
Mosquito... WOOOOO!!!!
Nicely chosen as both of those would look excellent as Official Miniatures in general - especially in Royal Navy FAA colours IMHO.
I cannot agree more with the rest of your posting. Which is so well phrased it does not sound like a rant (may I add very politely.)
I have flown a real aircraft and yes the 'freedom' of the gameplay is something I sense too in relation to that. I also find that a sense of attachment grows between myself and the Miniature I am playing (WW2 / WGS mostly) with developing senses of ownership and responsibility towards it during gameplay. Elsewhere with board games especially which are too framework-y there is just no scope or chance for senses like these to develop like these appear to playing Glory. This is one of the things I most like about it as a wargame - especially when these senses are heightened approaching or during combat situations.
Cannot agree with you more ... Nicely Said Sir
haven't heard or seen anything but i would like to see the P-61 Black Widow,the german ME 410,the British Misquito,and a russian fighter or dive bomber
I really hope WW2 isn't phased out otherwise I will most likely give up the game altogether and I don't think I would be the only one.
Some new essential releases have already been confirmed such as BoB & Pac42 starters, Thunderbolt, Corsair, Dauntless...
But there are some seriously iconic planes missing that would help the game grow like Hellcats, Lightnings, Kates, 109G/F, Fw190A but instead we have planes like the Me410 being released. Boggles my mind. It's like they are trying to kill off WW2 on purpose with decisions like this. To me expanding the market in the US is #1 priority then the UK so these 2 starter sets are a good start but as for the next 2 series after that there are some BIG holes and BIG question marks over some of the choices.
Hopefully my boy can look forward to new releases from ARES in 5-6 years when he is old enough. He already loves the precious time I let him hold one, its like he's holding pure gold. (He's 3 btw)
Rant over.
The unfounded rumours about the demise of WWII seem to be growing. Despite the fact that a whole new set of BOB aircraft are in the pipeline. If we are not careful this rumour will turn into a self fulfilling prophesy.
People reading these remarks will cease to buy WWII in case there is any truth in the statements made here. A drop in sales may well lead to Ares drawing in its horns and rethinking its whole WWII strategy.
Where is your spirit of optimism chaps. This is not the way we fought the Battle of Britain. No defeatist sentiment here please.
Kyte.
"Courage is the art of being the only one who knows you're scared to death."
I can't agree more.
With all respect to ARES (also for other games they publish which I play with pleasure and their absoilutely excellent customer service), looking at the breathtaking publishing speed of new ships series that FFG offers to X/W players ...
"We do not stop playing when we get old, but we get old when we stop playing."
Very well put!
People reading these remarks will cease to buy WWII in case there is any truth in the statements made here. A drop in sales may well lead to Ares drawing in its horns and rethinking its whole WWII strategy.
Where is your spirit of optimism chaps. This is not the way we fought the Battle of Britain. No defeatist sentiment here please.
Kyte.
"We do not stop playing when we get old, but we get old when we stop playing."
Very Well Said Sir
People reading these remarks will cease to buy WWII in case there is any truth in the statements made here. A drop in sales may well lead to Ares drawing in its horns and rethinking its whole WWII strategy.
Where is your spirit of optimism chaps. This is not the way we fought the Battle of Britain. No defeatist sentiment here please.
Kyte.
So true - as hardly assisted by ARES and their seemingly lethargic approach to WW2 / WGS matters the sense of encouragement must stay sustainable and also within the Aerodrome from the fan-base. A number of my postings have had the aim of encouraging various threads that WW2 / WGS is not the lesser sibling of WW1 / WGF on the Aerodrome where opinion appeared to be slipping towards this direction.
HOWEVER having said that I never witnessed the Nexus pull-out as I have only been playing since February 2015 ... But nevertheless there has been enough happening to maintain my sense of encouragement such as the Heavy Bombers development. As well as a range of Officialavailable when I did start to play which allowed me to begin with the Gloster Gladiator and progress upwards to both later war types and multi-engine aircraft.
As for talk of if WGS was no longer supported I would stop playing - I wouldn't. We would just have some slightly more adventurous games to think about in order to keep going with what we have got. Think up new capabilities and rules for those of us with the applicable Shapeways models as to using torpedoes (there are enough threads on attacking ships currently on here) for instance. Or on occasions just go for the downright unthinkable like my latest one:
WGS Minis flying in formation and keeping formation with 1) Boeing B-17F Memphis Belle 2) NA B-25C Mitchell 3) 1:200 Scale flyBE Bombardier Dash 8 Q400 Turboprop using an XA Manoeuver Deck (it worked too!) This is the way to spend an entire day playing WGS Solitaire when one has the time to spare!!!
As the old saying goes 'Creativity very often comes from within' ...
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Thinking positive is all well and good, but how far will that really go to preserve WGS? My own feeling is that WGS is on life-support. It caters to an original fan base who had access to the early models that seem to be the core of the planes desired by new players. Yes, one can play this game with cardboard cards, but I'm guessing most play because of the models. Ares web site shows a starter set with models but doesn't sell it. Its display of WGS models is pretty limited. Not a Zero to be found. How is that growing or even sustaining the brand? I came to WGS late and my Google searches have been pretty thorough. Finding early war planes like Zeros, Spitfires, Wildcats, Messerschmitts and Hurricanes isn't easy. Even if your experience is different, isn't it fair to ask why these base models can't be found on Ares and have to be sought in the aftermarket?
People reading these remarks will cease to buy WWII in case there is any truth in the statements made here. A drop in sales may well lead to Ares drawing in its horns and rethinking its whole WWII strategy.
Where is your spirit of optimism chaps. This is not the way we fought the Battle of Britain. No defeatist sentiment here please.
Kyte.
I know I've written about this on another thread, but it's important. In the absence of the core planes, Series 6 seems more like it's catering to an existing but dwindling base of fans, and probably not a base that was that big to begin with. I can't help but think that re-releasing the basic planes would do more to grow this hobby than Series 6 ever would.
Max, hi I have never spoken to you before so hope you are well. The fact that the WGS / WW2 Starter Set is no longer in production is definitely something I find annoying as I started out with the RAP plus four separately bought
Previously
Hi Barnaby,
I'd buy myself a few Dauntlesses too, but my point is that one needs the Zero to stage a proper dogfight with the Dauntless. What would newcomer do with the Dauntless without a Zero? That's why I believe that Series 6 would only cater to the existing fan base.
Max
A bitter truth again and again. In fact a huge reprint of the early models of fighters like Bf 109, Hurries, Spits, Zeroes and Wildcats would help the WGS much better than Lancasters, Beaufighters and even B-17s do. [it must be obvious I am not a Lanc fan, although in gaming aspect only- I do love those types, they are beautiful birds!]. The problems with big bombers is there is a lot of bookkeeping with them (and Lancs should fly in the dark), while the Beau is overpowered and it's use in a typical WGS air encounter leads to ahistorical results... While fighter duels are easy to setup and fun to play, the game really shines with them.
"We do not stop playing when we get old, but we get old when we stop playing."
There is plenty of passion for the WW2 airplanes...
I'm glad ARES is taking their time. I'd rather them get it right and not rush it.
But I'm like a little kid on my birthday... I just want to open it and play with it!
The WW1 is what first hooked me on this game. Now I can't get enough WW2. I have the inventory to prove it! of both!
I think the WW1 might sell better - look at the offerings as proof. But, to not cater to the WW2 crowd, would impact a segment that has been heavily invested in.
I don't think ARES is abandoning the WW2 series. I think it may be closer to Robs analysis, that ARES is cautious about announcing dates as they were "embarrassed" last year with the release of the bombers after announced dates.
I will say, the airplanes I have, make one hell of a fun game to play.
I'll be fine.... no really.... I can be patient.....Arrrgghhhhhh!!!!!
My Dad made me a model of a Mosquito when I was pup. It has always been my favorite WW2 airplane because of that.
Please ARES make a Mosquito.....
I have played WGS at a small con I attend twice a year--Williamsburg Muster and Guns of August (GOA). Rich S runs at least two games but they are 1/144 scale. There ae a number of planes in that scale. I have a game in mine for the NEXUS planes that I have. If I can get a game together for GOA next month I will post the pictures of the game. Still looking forward to ARES to release new WWII planes.
Very well put.
The Yokosuka D4Y Suisei (Comet) "Judy" war one of the fastest dive bomber of WW2 and 2038 were built.
During the Battle of the Marianas, the D4Ys were engaged by U.S. Navy fighters and shot down in large numbers.
In the Philippines air battles, the Japanese used kamikazes for the first time, and they scored heavily. D4Ys from 761 Kōkūtai may have hit the escort carrier USS Kalinin Bay on 25 October 1944, and the next day, USS Suwannee. A month later on 25 November, USS Essex, Hancock, Intrepid and Cabot were hit by kamikazes, almost exclusively A6M Zero fighters and D4Ys, with much more damage. D4Ys also made conventional attacks.
(From Wikipedia https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yokosuka_D4Y )
This plane might be less popular than the Kate or Jill, but it caused also considerable damage to U.S. ships.
2 of them were already deployed at the Battle of Midway in June 1942, and lost ...
You can also use one for fast recon at Midway - two were carried on the "Soryu"
"I *always* hope for the best ; experience has *taught* me to expect the worst."Where is your spirit of optimism chaps. This is not the way we fought the Battle of Britain. No defeatist sentiment here please.
Kyte.
Lower your expectations. Don't expect anything more, so when new planes come out you will be very happy!
I have to get involved in this action/passion I just read from all these new posts.
Let me get this off my chest first... Wooo!!!!!
Ok, now I can think...
It is so cool to be counted among this international team of WOGers including my brother Lord of Girth, who is posting from over a 10 hours away from me.
That's the kind of stuff this game brings to the table.
My brothers and I were fortunate to get in on the ground floor just after Nexus stopped production, and prior to Ares picking it up (thank you by the way for picking it up Ares).
We saw the writing on the wall as the stock started to dwindle, and we went to town purchasing 109s, spits, wilds, and lastly zeros at addictive levels. I'm glad we did that.
Looking present day however:
As I was flying one of my me-109s around the room the other day, I couldn't help but think, "man... those new BF-109Ks are going to blow these older 109s away; and they will.
But if I was just starting out, I would have to get 3 duplicate Spitfire Mark IXs, 3 duplicate P51D mustangs, and match them against 2 (different) sets of 3 matching FW190s.
I would devise a plot to monitor existing inventories, and purchase 1 to 2 minis per check (nice diet plan also).
If this game were nothing more than the solid banter/smack talk (Barnaby I had to throw it in there sir) between Axis vs. Allied dogfighting pilots, count me in.
Those minis are so on point (forgive me for what I am about to say) that even if new releases stopped altogether, this game would remain unbeatable.
Imagine using the same aircraft miniature night after night... 4:00am to 4:00am... Red eyed coffee sipping to Red eyed coffee sipping, and how advanced the dogfighting/game play/use of that aircraft miniature's available maneuvers would become.
I imagine World War II pilots spent most of the war also using the same aircraft (mission after mission) with very little variation; and as a result, became masters of that flight deck.
What a game good sirs... What a game...
With Ares touting the affiliation with the new electronic version of WOGS I don't think WWII is on the ropes yet.
Just gimme my BoBs!
Sorry Rob, I wasn't meant to take a negative or defeatists stance it's just that I only strictly collect the original ARES miniatures due to time, money and skill (or lack thereof) so all this talk of Shapeways etc benefits me in no way at all.
People reading these remarks will cease to buy WWII in case there is any truth in the statements made here. A drop in sales may well lead to Ares drawing in its horns and rethinking its whole WWII strategy.
Where is your spirit of optimism chaps. This is not the way we fought the Battle of Britain. No defeatist sentiment here please.
Kyte.
And I am also strictly WGS at this point as it is my area of passion so when I see ARES releasing models that a)won't benefit their sales as much as plenty of other planes would. b) are only serving those who got in early to buy WoW planes from Nexus. c) are rare or sparsely used and don't fill many playability gaps it becomes frustrating.
Like previously mentioned I think a lot of their attention needs to be taken away from their fantasy games as it seems that's where its all pretty much going right now. Heck they even have a big War of the Ring 2nd anniversary edition being released yet they have completely neglected the BoB anniversary. Also these fantasy games offer nothing in terms of educational value. I for one won't be playing any of that nonsense with my kids. I want them to have fun and learn at the same time. I guess it's all about the money though which is fair enough from a business point of view.
I have tried contacting Roberto Di Meglio through facebook about 3 months ago to get an explanation as to why WGS is being neglected with no reply.
I would imagine the BoB starter will have 4 planes in it that will probably be a Spit, Hurri, Bf109 & Stuka(or Bf110). Then heres hoping the Pac42 starter includes a Wildcat, Zero, Devestator & Kate.
Then Series 6 looks like it is trying to compliment only the Pac42 pack along with some late Europe planes. What happens to the BoB starter from here? Because Series 7 does not address this. Not even a Frank/Gustav or a 190A to come close.
To end on a good note I love ARES and all that they do even though it might not come often enough but I just hope they start releasing planes that will gain traction with those who have never played before not just good looking ones for the already existing fan base.
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When I remember how long it was possible to buy BoB and Pacific fighters for a reasonable price, I fully understand why Ares Games does not flood the market with new starter sets at the moment. The risk is simply to high in my opinion and there are no capacities* at the moment.
*Remember the current WGF Kickstarter project?
WGS is a long term project and it will not be cancelled.
Maybe I repeat myself, but if you're focused on WGS and play once a week , of course you have hard times at the moment.
...but you can have a lot of fun with a set of the actual late war fighters and the variety of WGS bomers that are in stock.
Personally I prefer a reasonable publishing of new WGS planes without missprints on cards and bases.
Ares games will not be able to satisfy the endless wishlists of collectors, not for WW II.
Voilą le soleil d'Austerlitz!
I agree Sven.
A few amendments can help a lot when reprints arrive.
I think that with the wishlist, we have shot ourselves in the foot again.
The limited list envisaged worked, as it concentrated the mind on a few key must have aircraft.
Once we let rip with dozens of pet wants here and there, even if they wanted to Ares could not make a decision on which one would sell best. It just distracts them away from the key issues.
Far better would be a consensus on which two comparable opponent aircraft from each theater would fit the bill. If we took Pacific, Western Europe, Eastern Europe. That would give six aircraft that we could not do without to go at.
Please note I did not want to be greedy and include the Med here. That would not be a good example to set.
Rob.
"Courage is the art of being the only one who knows you're scared to death."
Rob I know what you mean about the wish list. We all have the planes we want to see. I have seen where some ask why the D-520 and how to use it. My idea for that is Operation Torch. D-520 vs Wildcat/Spitfire or Hurricane. Bring in that some Vichy commanders were talking with the Germans and Italians you can bring their planes into the action. Makes for another interesting area.
Another idea instead of doing a 12 pack (3 planes each X 4 different planes) do a six pack like the WWI VS packs. You could introduce new planes with reprints/repaints.
ie Claude vs P-40 (China), P-16 vs Cr-42 (SCW). I think this would put WWII planes in the pipeline and keep things going. This could be a 6 month period between issue of new planes.
I can't afford a series of WGS planes each six month. Maybe one of each kind.
Who should buy the WGS planes?
The idea to combinate already published planes with new one will not succeed. I know it was ony an example, but I have four CR.42 Falcos at the moment. To get the new fighter I would buy max. one of those combo packs.
We need reprints of the four most wanted WGS fighters.
Bf.109
Spitfire
Zero
Wildcat
Once we have them, Ares Games can support us with different versions and camouflages, armaments.
Other fighters, dive bombers, torpedo bombers, heavy fighters, medium & heavy bombers, etc. should reach us by ad by with the new series.
Voilą le soleil d'Austerlitz!
D-520 Bob?
Right yesterday my new padawan and me arranged an afternoon duel over France 1940. I was flying the D-520 in slightly modified (but not entirely false) markings of 145 squadron against the youngling flying Bf 109E.
Well, the veteran pilot prevailed...
...with no damage to the D-520 at all.
In the next game against my Hurrie, the boy succesfully damaged my engine (with A counter!), but finally the machine gun fire caused a nice explosion...
I know it has been off topic, but I wanted to share my Friday joy with you
"We do not stop playing when we get old, but we get old when we stop playing."
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