Do anyone know who it was that flow these planes? (or at least what unit they belonged to.)
P-G
Who flew this?
Do anyone know who it was that flow these planes? (or at least what unit they belonged to.)
P-G
I don't recognise the individual markings on the Roland, but from the tail colours I'd suggest it's most likely a Jasta 23b machine. The Pfalz is a slight mis-rendering (the zigzag band should be nearer the cockpit, with the fuselage cross behind it, not in front) of 2695/18, which is pilot and unit unknown unfortunately - it's a fairly well photographed machine, but post-war in captured stockpiles, so not possible to attribute it to a unit.
I found one Roland from Jasta 23b with more black on the fuselage, no crosses on the sides and white dots insted of the white diamonds.Originally Posted by Dom S
I also found the Pfalz you are talking aboute, Dom.
Well I was hoping to find some pic (or info) on what colouring these babies had underneth their wings. Lozenge I guess but which...
I'd be pretty sure of 5-colour light on both.
http://www.wwi-models.org/misc/Color...Tloz_lower.jpg
Ciao Per-Gunnar,
according to Windsock Datafiles and Osprey books, both of these aircraft fell in American hands after the Armistice and it is believed that the markings, especially on the Roland, were applied after the war. Some Rolands were used for evaluation and marked with distinctive geometric forms according to test results.
I would tend to agree about the Roland being a former (late war) Bavarian Jasta 23b machine but there is a misplaced mark on this (I suppose fictional) card: the white chevrons on the upper wing were not the distinctive marking of Jasta 23b. A single white chevron was seen on many aircraft of Bavarian Jasta 35b, another unit equipped with both the Roland D.VIa and Pfalz D.XII
Another noteworthy info is that the tail fin was not usually white painted but left factory finished CDL.
According to the above books, white paint was applied post-war thus "refreshing" the general look of the aircraft.
About the underwing lozenge camo on the Pfalz you guessed right
Mau
It *could* still be correct though - white stripes or chevrons on the wings were a common identifying mark in a number of units for flight or Jasta leader's aircraft, so it may be that they're a rank identifier not a unit marking.
Dom.
Although chevrons, and lines, adopted to show Jasta ranks were more a WWII German business than a regular habit on WWI, being the two cards shown here from the very late war era, I would agree and second you on this issue Dom.
More, these add a nice look at the aircraft.
Mau
Nice!! Thank you
Those were the same planes I found.Ciao Per-Gunnar,
according to Windsock Datafiles and Osprey books, both of these aircraft fell in American hands after the Armistice and it is believed that the markings, especially on the Roland, were applied after the war. Some Rolands were used for evaluation and marked with distinctive geometric forms according to test results.
I would tend to agree about the Roland being a former (late war) Bavarian Jasta 23b machine but there is a misplaced mark on this (I suppose fictional) card: the white chevrons on the upper wing were not the distinctive marking of Jasta 23b. A single white chevron was seen on many aircraft of Bavarian Jasta 35b, another unit equipped with both the Roland D.VIa and Pfalz D.XII
Another noteworthy info is that the tail fin was not usually white painted but left factory finished CDL.
According to the above books, white paint was applied post-war thus "refreshing" the general look of the aircraft.
About the underwing lozenge camo on the Pfalz you guessed right
Mau
But the black and white photo was a nice touch
Are these any use? Pfalz DXIIs from the Profile Publication.
Hivemind strikes again.
Hivemind is awesome.
Excellent info, all! Many thanks!
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