New Merit Models, Looking for tips/advice

[Teaticket]

Looking good Wes. From your last photo if you don't sink the Japanese ship you'll at least chase it over the table edge!

[Warhawk]

Thanks Peter. Yes I should be able to sink it provided no Zero's show up!

[richard m schwab]

Wes

Very nice! Where are those Jap carriers! When i saw them last August, i knew they were winners!


Rich

[BobP]

Wes nice job. By SBD's and TBD's are still sitting the plastic they came in. I am hoping they will come out with the Japanese planes. The Kate would be the one I would want. I see you have a Topside mini ship for them to attach.

[Warhawk]

Thanks Rich and Bob. I've been looking at getting some more topside minis just been very busy lately and a little short on funds. That one is a nice sample that they sent me and I'm quite pleased with them. I would like to get some torpedo bombers too, Kate's and TBD's would be nice but again budgeting and time... Soon .

[Gotham Resident]

I have a question - I got the TBD-1 Devastator's from Merit. What stats do they use? Same as the Dauntless/Val's?

Also, while I'm at it, TBF Avenger's, what to use for them? Also the same as the Val's? There is a RAR file in the custom cards, but I can't open it.

[tikkifriend]

I have a question - I got the TBD-1 Devastator's from Merit. What stats do they use? Same as the Dauntless/Val's?

Also, while I'm at it, TBF Avenger's, what to use for them? Also the same as the Val's? There is a RAR file in the custom cards, but I can't open it.

There should be a Devastators stat card in the files , Thats where I got mine I think.

[Gotham Resident]

Thanks Paul. I didn't see it there, but I did a forum search (not sure why I didn't do that first) and found it.

I deck, 18 hits (19 for the Dauntless). A at short and long, front and back.
Essentially the same as the Val's, but w/ 1 more damage.

[tikkifriend]

Thanks Paul. I didn't see it there, but I did a forum search (not sure why I didn't do that first) and found it.

I deck, 18 hits (19 for the Dauntless). A at short and long, front and back.
Essentially the same as the Val's, but w/ 1 more damage.

Yep that's them. Nice cards when you print them out . :thumbsup;

[Jager]

Did you find the cards in either Max Headrooms' or my albums? They were done by Max quite a while ago, before we had as many decks as now, and knew more about the mechanics of how the cards were done for the planes.
An I deck is too fast for a Devastator; use an R deck, and use Zoe Brain’s system of moving just the length of the arrow on the card.
Found here: http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/sho...-cards-needed)
the R deck is further modified by not allowing reversals or the extreme side slips.
18 hits is right, as are the guns. Ceiling 7 climb 9.

The Avenger should use the K deck, without reversals. 21 hits for all models. The guns are:
wing guns: front arc, B/A;
dorsal turret: 3:00 to 9:00, low to high; A/A (with the tail blindspot);
ventral gun: rear arc, low only: A/A
The TBF-1 has a ceiling of 8, climb of 5
The TBF-3 has a ceiling of 10, climb of 5.

Karl

[Gotham Resident]

Yes, Karl, the "forum search" text in my post was to a thread w/ a card. And that links to your album. So I took those.

Isn't the "R" deck a faster deck, one of new ones on larger cards? But by using it post to post method, it slows it down? (I don't own the "R" deck, just the P-51 deck.)
The K deck, is that in the Revolution in the Sky blister pack? I found some for $7 w/ free shipping on ebay. But the front card on the image says it uses a J deck.

[Franco Lucchini]

Yes, Karl, the "forum search" text in my post was to a thread w/ a card. And that links to your album. So I took those.

Isn't the "R" deck a faster deck? But by using it post to post method, it slows it down? (I don't own the "R" deck, just the P-51 deck.)
The K deck, is that in the Revolution in the Sky blister pack? I found some for $7 w/ free shipping on ebay. But the front card on the image says it uses a J deck.

Revolution in the Sky has two J and one K deck, and multiple, different I-16s. It covers an improvement in I-16s during the pre-war.

[Gotham Resident]

Thanks Allen. The fantasy flight website says it includes 3 K's. But the front card displayed says J.

[Franco Lucchini]

No worries Mischa.

The downside, if I remember properly, is the two J decks are the same (i.e. no J1 and J2).

It is a neat pack if you are interested in I-16s - Spanish Civil War (fighting itself), Russo-Japanese War (chasing Ki-27s), or just ramming tails of Bf.110s. I have two, and will probably get a couple more.

[Jager]

Yes, Karl, the "forum search" text in my post was to a thread w/ a card. And that links to your album. So I took those.

Isn't the "R" deck a faster deck, one of new ones on larger cards? But by using it post to post method, it slows it down? (I don't own the "R" deck, just the P-51 deck.)
The K deck, is that in the Revolution in the Sky blister pack? I found some for $7 w/ free shipping on ebay. But the front card on the image says it uses a J deck.

Indeed; remember that using the normal method, the plane "travels" the length of the arrow plus the length of the base card, while with Zoe's slower plane method,
it only travels the length of the arrow.
So with the R deck, for example, the normal method would yield a speed of 420MPH (fast speed) or 390MPH (slow speed), while the arrow only method yields a speed of
210MPH/100MPH. Even with these mods, it still may be too spritely a deck for the Devastator
The R deck, BTW, is from the Fw-190D.
Hope this helps.
Karl

[Gotham Resident]

The Avenger should use the K deck, without reversals. 21 hits for all models. The guns are:
wing guns: front arc, B/A;
dorsal turret: 3:00 to 9:00, low to high; A/A (with the tail blindspot);
ventral gun: rear arc, low only: A/A
The TBF-1 has a ceiling of 8, climb of 5
The TBF-3 has a ceiling of 10, climb of 5.

Karl

Having looked at Wingspans, I realized I should be using the ME-100 base or a Bristol Beaufighter size base instead of a fighter plane sized base!

[Jager]

Having looked at Wingspans, I realized I should be using the ME-100 base or a Bristol Beaufighter size base instead of a fighter plane sized base!

Boy I missed that too.
Thanks for the heads up.
Devastator should be the same
Karl

[richard m schwab]

Since the Avenger is a single engined aircraft, a standard single engine base is correct. That is what i have used with my 144 scale Avengers in games. It is the engines not the plane size that determine the base size.


Rich

[Gotham Resident]

That works for me Rich. I have those bases.

[richard m schwab]

Mischa

I like to keep it simple. Here are some examples! Those are 144 scale!


Rich

[Jager]

Since the Avenger is a single engined aircraft, a standard single engine base is correct. That is what i have used with my 144 scale Avengers in games. It is the engines not the plane size that determine the base size.


Rich

Hmm..... I think a discussion is in order; I can see things both ways on this.
Karl

[Flying Officer Kyte]

I usually go with the width of base it needs not to go base over apex.
Rob.

[Gotham Resident]

I usually go with the width of base it needs not to go base over apex.
Rob.

I'm afraid I don't follow.

The width of the base can't exceed the ....? Length? Nose to tail? Or height of the plane?

Wingspans
P-51 37' (11 m)
F4F 38' (12 m)
F190 31'2" (9.5 m)
Zero 39'4" (12 m)
Ki-62 39'4" (12 m)

SBD Dauntless 42' (13 m)
Val - 47'2" (14.37 m) (3.8 meters tall)
TBD Devastator 50'0" (15.24 m) (4.6 tall)
TBF Avenger 54'2" (16.51 m) (4.7 m tall)


ME-110 53'4" (16.3 m) (3.3 m tall)
Beaufighter 57'10" (17.65 m) (4.84 meters tall)

B25 68' (21 m)
He-111 74'2" (22.6 m) (4 m tall)
B17 104' (32 m)

[Flying Officer Kyte]

A over T.
Rob.

[Gotham Resident]

Usually talk of T&A is NOT forum appropriate. G&T's are more acceptable.

[richard m schwab]

Mischa

You are correct! More G&t none of that inappropriate stuff! Smacks of algebra to me, we can`t have that here!


Rich

[Gotham Resident]

An I deck is too fast for a Devastator; use an R deck, and use Zoe Brain’s system of moving just the length of the arrow on the card.
Found here: http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/sho...-cards-needed)
the R deck is further modified by not allowing reversals or the extreme side slips.
18 hits is right, as are the guns. Ceiling 7 climb 9.
Karl

I am reading "A Dawn Like Thunder: The True Story of Torpedo Squadron Eight" (and I will do a review in the books section when I am done, as I don't see one there now). On the way to Midway, the pilots are hoping the new Avengers reach them so they don't have to fly the "Widowmaker" Devastators. The Devastators flew at 100 mph and the Zero's at 300. And the Avengers fly almost as fast the wildcats so the books says. I'm gonna be doing a lot of scenarios from this when I'm done with the book.

[Jager]

Having looked at Wingspans, I realized I should be using the ME-100 base or a Bristol Beaufighter size base instead of a fighter plane sized base!

Since the Avenger is a single engined aircraft, a standard single engine base is correct. That is what i have used with my 144 scale Avengers in games. It is the engines not the plane size that determine the base size.


Rich

OK; on thought and discussion w/ Zoe, I believe the base should be a HF. This is due to the wingspan, and the maneuverability capable and used in combat (esp. the Devastator and both with a torpedo).
In another discussion, I would say the Lightning is an example of a fighter, with a wingspan close to the Bf-110 and Beaufighter, that should use the fighter base.
Karl

[Gotham Resident]

For simplification, I can see the single engine = small base argument, especially since the Vals were released on small bases. But as the size of the planes increase, we also know they are easier to hit.

I might mix and match for now, until we come arrive at a consensus. I'll know we have done that when the "cards" come out.

I might personally try the Avengers on a fighter base & the Devastators on the heavy fighter base (but still moving them the revised method of just the length of the arrow); the bigger base will make them more of a target. I won't really have play testing time until July, but I keep setting them up to admire each night.

[Naharaht]

Most people have been cutting the undercarriage legs on the Merit models but are the legs glued into the wings and, if so, has anyone tried to remove the legs by softening the glue?

[Foz]

This site is handy for paint jobs...
http://www.markstyling.com/wwll_s_view_header.htm

For the Devastator the official unofficial rules are a R(Z)** deck, the R deck with bits removed and using Zoe's slow rules. I have been working on decks for the slow rules..
http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/dow...o=file&id=2187

If I remember correctly, after a conversation with Karl, 50' became the unofficial official cut off point for the step up to the Heavy Fighter Base. So I would think as Devastators are a HF, so should Avengers.

The base for the Devastator is the same as the Beaufighter Mk.VIF.

[Lt. S.Kafloc]

Have you done a deck for the kate? (please) Or does it use the one for the Devastator too?

[Jager]

This site is handy for paint jobs...
http://www.markstyling.com/wwll_s_view_header.htm

Very nice site. Thanks Steve

Have you done a deck for the kate? (please) Or does it use the one for the Devastator too?

I have it using the ZJ deck Zoe Brain created with Max Headroom: http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/dow...o=file&id=1244

Karl

[Foz]

Very nice site. Thanks Steve

You're welcome.
Another site I was trying to remember...
http://www.cybermodeler.com/references.shtml
Though it doesn't have any useful info on Wildcats

Have you done a deck for the kate? (please) Or does it use the one for the Devastator too?

What Karl said

[BB401]

I wish I had tuned in sooner. First off, nicely done. Although I am only into WGF I have modeled extensively primarily in WWII. USN markings are both time and ship dependent. If you tell me what date and off what ship I can let you know what's appropriate.

[Stumptonian]

Try and get the fire from the skies box. It has 3 I decks. Bought 4 sets from Ludibay.net, for my Kate's, Dauntless and Devastators. He has them on sale at a very reasonable price.

Just saw this. Picked up 2 Fire From the Skies and a Flight of the Giants for a total for $24.00 US