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  • Ares models only - B25, B17, Lanc, He111

    8 28.57%
  • B25, B17, Lanc, He111 Any manufacturer

    4 14.29%
  • B25, B17. Lanc, He111, Do17, Br20 (cards exist)

    0 0%
  • Anything goes with a large bomber base.

    20 71.43%
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Thread: Bomber Painting Contest?

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    Default Bomber Painting Contest?

    Time for a repainting contest, I feel.

    I'll put up various options for a vote.

    Multiple options may be chosen.

    Votes close in 2 weeks and are for indication only to the Oberst what kind of comp people prefer.


    Rules: The usual. Aircraft repaint process must start after competition start - so no entry of your existing planes, sorry.
    Last edited by Zoe Brain; 03-02-2015 at 01:35.

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    Since the ARES range of bombers is limited, my vote goes to "Anything". That's why Painting, not a Repainting title is very accurate.
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    Official Ares Games miniatures only & their cousins from other producers like AIM.
    Voilà le soleil d'Austerlitz!

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    As the song says: Anything goes
    Run for your life - there are stupid people everywhere!

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    I agree with Andrzej, the official releases are too few. Open it up to any 1/200 - 1/144 bombers.

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    I'm for open season on this one as well.
    Rob.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Teaticket View Post
    I agree with Andrzej, the official releases are too few. Open it up to any 1/200 - 1/144 bombers.
    Ditto

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    Yes I think opening up the range will result in more entries!

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    Any manufacturer in both 200 and 144 scale! I want to compete! I do not have any 200 scale bombers!


    Rich

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    For me, open to all Bombers please, as long as they are between 1914 - 1945

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    I voted for ARES models but have to say I should have thought it out better. Now I have to say any due to some of the ones I have seen so open it to all.

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    If this is opened up to anything, it may just be enough inspiration to finally finish the HP's that have been on the bench for the last several years.

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    The poll seems to suggest that this contest would be WW2-oriented...so this would be my excuse to paint up/repaint a WW2 model... Sounds good to me!

    All the best,
    Matt

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    I would prefer it to be WWII.

    We've already had an Ares-only WWI bomber contest. Making it WWII would allow/encourage another contest next year, including 0/400s and R.VIs.

    The problem with allowing "anything goes" as regards scale is that 1/144 models have more detail. They look better. 1/72, better still. Judging a 1/300 bomber vs the same thing in 1/32 just isn't possible. So reluctantly - for I know some have 1/144 only - I think it should be 1/200 only. By all means have a separate 1/144 comp for WWII 1/144, but don't mix the two scales.

    One of the ideas of having such comps is to encourage Ares and increase their sales. So there's something to be said for at least requiring models made by Ares, or models where the stands and cards are made by Ares.

    Anyway, multiple votes are permitted in the poll, the options are not exclusive.

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    My vote goes in support of a 1/144 - 1/200 Scale repainting contest too. Would be good if Ares did increase the number of bomber types they have available especially the four-engine heavies.

    May I also support this contest allowing the repainting of both diecast metal and plastic models. Also to what extent are decals allowed to be used - or must all markings be reproduced as best as possible by hand?

    Aussietonka

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aussietonka View Post
    My vote goes in support of a 1/144 - 1/200 Scale repainting contest too. Would be good if Ares did increase the number of bomber types they have available especially the four-engine heavies.

    May I also support this contest allowing the repainting of both diecast metal and plastic models. Also to what extent are decals allowed to be used - or must all markings be reproduced as best as possible by hand?

    Aussietonka
    We have always allowed decaling in the past Barney, even to the extent of camo on wings and fuselage. It can be more difficult than just painting in some cases. Also, unless restricted to Nexus/Ares models, you can build your own from a kit if you so wish.
    I must admit that I'm with Zoe on the idea being for WW2 this time and also to have the two size categories differentiated in some way.
    Rob.
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    I agree that the scale difference would 'matter' with 1/144 versus 1/200...they shouldn't go up against one another in the same category.

    I have no problem restricting it to Ares-produced models (to help the cause), although that does limit choice and may limit folks entering the contest. How many chaps and chapesses usually participate in a painting contest? - this would be my first...

    Anyways...I look forward to how this develops

    All the best,
    Matt

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    Quote Originally Posted by matt56 View Post
    I agree that the scale difference would 'matter' with 1/144 versus 1/200...they shouldn't go up against one another in the same category.

    I have no problem restricting it to Ares-produced models (to help the cause), although that does limit choice and may limit folks entering the contest. How many chaps and chapesses usually participate in a painting contest? - this would be my first...

    Anyways...I look forward to how this develops

    All the best,
    Matt
    Problem with restricting a bomber painting project is that WW2 big Bombers are expensive. Many like me will have bought all the official bombers they need, and already have repainted the ones they want to. I for one would not buy a bomber I did not want just to do a repaint I did not want. However, there are WW2 bombers I have yet to collect from other firms, and even some waiting in my tray to be painted. Therefore, I and I suspect a fair few other members would not be averse to doing one of these for the contest.
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    The WGF Bomber contest restricted to Ares-only attracted... 2 entries. Both I think were pretty good (mine was one of them ) but we need more.

    I suggest - WWII only, 2 sections, 1/200 and 1/144 (so really 2 comps), and either "any aircraft using a large bomber base" or "any model of the 4 types produced by Ares regardless of manufacturer". Diecast, Shapeways, Plastic, Ares...

    May I also support this contest allowing the repainting of both diecast metal and plastic models. Also to what extent are decals allowed to be used - or must all markings be reproduced as best as possible by hand?
    You even get bonus points for things like gap-filling, extra detailing, conversions. Nothing has to be painted, nothing has to be decaled, whatever works. Ink, acryllic, enamel, chalk, pencil, decal.... "Repaint" is to be given a broad meaning: Anything which is your own work (even just choosing an off-the-shelf decal and applying it well) which alters the appearance of a factory-bought or previously home-built aircraft model. Anything from just changing a serial number using a store-bought decal, to a full-blown 100% paint cover with new decals, radomes, guns, etc. Marks are awarded for degree of difference.

    Examples from the WGF Bomber contest:




    Both these are "repaints" of this model from Ares. One is in a creative diorama, the other has missing cabane struts etc added.






    If we stay within the 4 airframes offered by Ares... we have B-25s of various marks - lots of scope for conversions there, He-111s - not so many, but some. Lancasters of various marks - with Tallboy, Grand Slam, H2S dome etc, B-17 E (converted F), F (converted G some of them, last block had chin turrets), G.

    Extend that to other manufacturers, you get even more, and some B-25s may not need conversion to be different from those offered by Ares.

    Extend that to any bomber... and we get more entries, because of the phenomenon mentioned by the esteemed FO Kyte.
    Many like me will have bought all the official bombers they need, and already have repainted the ones they want to. I for one would not buy a bomber I did not want just to do a repaint I did not want. However, there are WW2 bombers I have yet to collect from other firms, and even some waiting in my tray to be painted.
    (Emohasis added)

    I think many are in exactly this position. This I think would maximise entries.

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    I have no horse in this race, as I don't dable in WWII WoG. But I think you have options for allowing more options while still encouraging the Ares 1/200 type models with category prizes, like best in breed at a dog show. Obvoiusly there's a top winner, with the best prize, but then you could give out "Best Ares Model Repaint" at what would normally be a 2nd place level, and "Best Non-Ares 1/200 Repaint" at a third place level, contingent on 3 or more entries into that category, and "Best 1/144 Repaint" with similar restrictions, but also only given out if a 1/144 repaint does not win the contest, since as you say they have a detail advantage. You could even split out the "Best Ares Model Repaint" into spereate Allied and Axis power categories to beef up the incentives for Ares product submissions. Depending on the prize support being put up, I think there's lots of opportunity to encourage specific entry types, while allowing a broader range. The only down side is if this is an official site sponsored contest, all prize levels will probably include a painting contest medal, which will make those a lot more common.

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    How about 2 competitions:
    1/200 - any combat aircraft 1935 - 1945 using a large bomber base. Combat transports like Ju52 and C47 included.
    1/144 - any combat aircraft 1935 - 1945

    That should deal with the "bomber comp" and also show some love to 1/144 WWII aficionados, whose contributions to the site should be recognised.

    The reason I restrict the timeframe is because of things like the brisfit, which was still in frontline service in 1932, yet really belongs in the WWI section.

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    Zoe

    Excellent! When do we begin! I have several 144 scale kits i need to build.


    Rich

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    I like what you've come up with here, Zoe, and I like the idea of including transports in the mix,too. Well done.

    All the best,
    Matt

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    As does Matt, I like what Zoe's suggested. I'd like to see as many entries as we can muster up, and broadening the scope of acceptable categories seems like a good way to do this.

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    Sounds good. I have a few JU52' s to paint up.
    See you on the Dark Side......

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    Quote Originally Posted by richard m schwab View Post
    Zoe

    Excellent! When do we begin! I have several 144 scale kits i need to build.
    Ask (via PM) the Oberst. I just come up with the idea - he's the one who has to do the hard work to make it happen, organising prizes etc.

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    Expect an announcement regarding 1/200 bomber repaints after the Kickstarter is over. Meanwhile, feel free to continue voting.

    Now let's see... there's that B10 - too small, heavy fighter base... the Ju88 - ditto... that Shapeways IL4, a brace of B29s, some B17s, Ju52 and C47ski of course...or tackle a Bv222...

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    I look forward to the official announcement of the contest! Looks like I'll be jumping into WW2 sooner rather than later...ah, well, it was going to happen eventually anyway...

    Thanks for spearheading this, Zoe!

    All the best,
    Matt

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    If all the pieces are in before the deadline, do Custom Cards add to it?

    Thinking about entering my late neighbor the Raider's B-25, if it all comes together... IF those accursed port issues finally clear so Bill can get the pegs and finish my order of bombers.

    DAMN YOU, ILWU!

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    A good question DB, but I would think not, as we have never done that before, and it would tend to put off from entering those members who are not adept at card production, because they may think it would have an adverse effect on their chances.
    Having said that, it would be very nice to be able to view any additions to the aircraft like cards or customized bases etc. We tend to miss out on this unless a member makes a point of displaying them.
    Rob.
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    Rob, full disclosure: I suck at graphics, so the card creation was going to be "outsourced"--this is the project where I was racing the Grim Reaper and the guy with the scythe won.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diamondback View Post
    Rob, full disclosure: I suck at graphics, so the card creation was going to be "outsourced"--this is the project where I was racing the Grim Reaper and the guy with the scythe won.
    Still get good karma for trying, and finishing it in his memory would be splendid.
    Karl
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    Lets get this contest on the road! My kits have arrived from two different sources and the decals from Hong Kong. I am ready!


    Rich

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    I am for 1/200 scale and any manufacture. Though do we count medium bombers or just heavies?

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    Quote Originally Posted by richard m schwab View Post
    Lets get this contest on the road!
    You might have noticed that the Oberst is a little busy now getting all the series 8 orders out. I think he'll need a week to recover from his successive 16-20 hour days on this.

    So while it's OK to PM him requesting a start ASAP... please remember what else he's doing for us all, and although he can wear spandex with his undies on the outside, he's not Superman. Despite the miracles he's worked in the past.

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    I'm fine resisting the pull of the Dark Side for a while - let the Herr Oberst finish up and recover from the 'new plane tsunami'...perhaps Summertime would be a good time for a Bomber Contest? That way Origins would be past, too, and he could breathe a bit?!

    Besides, I still haven't decided exactly WHAT I want to paint for the contest

    All the best,
    Matt

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    Very perspicacious Zoe.
    For all the calm on the surface, there is a hell of a lot of paddling going on under the surface. Owing to circumstances beyond anyone's control, excepting the Dockers, all the brown smelly stuff has hit the fan at the same time.
    Rob.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug View Post
    I am for 1/200 scale and any manufacture. Though do we count medium bombers or just heavies?
    Anything that uses a bomber base, rather than heavy fighter.
    Thus Blenheims and Do17s are out (just), Ju88 in (just).

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    Time to stir the pot again! About this Painting Contest? My B-24 kits a collecting dust!


    Rich

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    I'll be on this over the next week or two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by richard m schwab View Post
    Time to stir the pot again! About this Painting Contest? My B-24 kits a collecting dust!
    Richard it sounds just like you are using acrylic paints there ... I am learning how these have to be stirred constantly and not shaken like enamels! Superior results though

    One Revell Liberator gathering dust in the attic unbuilt along with two Lancasters and a Flying Fortress. Of these the Flying Fortress requires custom decals as Revell's default decals for this kit (General Ike) are not accurate! All of these date from the mid 1980s and given their age are in amazing shape ...

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    Decisions, decisions... B17D, B24D, B17E, B29.....or something French that is a pain to construct...

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    A Boeing B-17E painted up as a Flying Fortress Mk II in RAF Coastal Command colours would receive my contest vote to win!

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    Hmmm, Arado 234 or Dornier 217K or Petlyakov Pe8 perhaps.....
    Run for your life - there are stupid people everywhere!

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    Great News! With some great ideas! I might do a Coastal Command PBY also.

    Rich

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oberst Hajj View Post
    I'll be on this over the next week or two.
    Nice!
    Voilà le soleil d'Austerlitz!

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    If there are size-restrictions in force stating that entries of a WW2 / WGS nature must be 1/200 Scale ... Somebody has just released a very nice rendition of the Bristol Blenheim! I think it may be one of Zvezda's.

    From what I could tell this is an unpainted plastic model construction kit of the famous twin-engine British bomber which also saw deployment as a night-fighter. It is also the Mk IV with the stepped front rather than the Mk I which has the smooth front featuring two wide windscreens ... Would not recommend it to those unfamiliar with plastic kit modelling but for those who are comparatively seasoned in plastic kit modelling then this gem is worth a mention. Once built then this aircraft should not be hard to customize for use as a WW2 / WGS

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    I have a couple of possibilities in mind.
    Rob.
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    I have one idea, but won't tell.
    Voilà le soleil d'Austerlitz!

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    I have something so much in mind that even hurts!
    Let's get to it!

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