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Thread: Wings of Glory "Giants of the Sky" Kickstarter

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    Default Wings of Glory "Giants of the Sky" Kickstarter

    Have a look guys:

    Found this a minute ago at the Ares Games homepage!

    http://www.aresgames.eu/14159


    Oberst Hajj edit:

    I have merged three big threads on this Ks into this one and revised the title to more clearly reflect what is being talked about. So, at points in the posts, this might sound a little confusing as replies might not line up very well with the posts they were intended to follow. With a little concentration, I think one can sort it all out though.
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    Funds permitting I'll be in on this one. I really hope there's a Zeppelin Staaken option in night lozenge pattern though.

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    Good spot Sven. I think I will have some of this (provided they don't paint the bloody engines red!)
    Run for your life - there are stupid people everywhere!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guntruck View Post
    Good spot Sven. I think I will have some of this (provided they don't paint the bloody engines red!)
    Red engines? First time I've seen that.

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    I may well buy in too even though I don't like the Blue on the Staaken.
    Let's get the planes off the stocks. We can always repaint them.
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    I can see this making quite a bit of cash for Ares, wonder what stretch goals may be, a lozenge special Staaken, different sqn Handley. Although I agree with Gunners here, not a red engine please!!!

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    Great news Sven! Thanks for sharing it I like both planes' schemes My blue Staaken resembles the official one, then
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    Oh, great, a Tuesday... by the time I can log on from the West Coast all the Early Bird goodies will be gone.

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    Saw a post about the ARES facebook page and there some large plane in the photo. Now we get to see what they look like. Great find and post.

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    I'm certainly in the mood to pick up a couple of each! [eventually] Really looking forward to the Bloody Paralyser...

    All the best,
    Matt

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    Anybody backed any of their post-SGN Kickstarters to be able to assess Lessons Learned and comment on the Over/Under about this one going smoother than the SGN launch? I have confidence that at some point we'll have miniatures in hand... but want tomake sure I know what kind of long, bumpy road it'll be first.

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    Ah, right when I turn my attention to the WWII version. Though these do look quite tempting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dom S View Post
    I really hope there's a Zeppelin Staaken option in night lozenge pattern though.
    Probably a Kickstarter exclusive...

    I'm excited for the product, but really disappointed with the delivery method. Maybe they can do a couple things right this time around, like no early bird specials that sell out within the first few hours of the kickstarter while most loyal supporters are still asleep, or actually adjusting the production quantity based on kickstarter success so the product is available at retail.

    Once it launches I will have to see if I can round up enough local support to arrange for an order through out host store, so they're not completely cut out of the loop.

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    I don't know kickstarter works. Would someone please explain Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diamondback View Post
    Anybody backed any of their post-SGN Kickstarters to be able to assess Lessons Learned and comment on the Over/Under about this one going smoother than the SGN launch? I have confidence that at some point we'll have miniatures in hand... but want tomake sure I know what kind of long, bumpy road it'll be first.
    Yeah -- the one reason I'm not too concerned about getting in on the ground floor on this one is the secure knowledge I won't actually be seeing product for 2-3 *YEARS*.

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    Ha! I called it.
    I'm no fan of Kickstarters... but I might join in on this one.

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    To be honest I think these will come out a lot quicker than Sails of Glory once they have reached their goal - these are just miniatures not a complete game. They already have a finished models and cards (from the original FOG) which puts them way ahead in the development of these, which suggest they just need an injection of cash to start the production run.

    My guessing is the plan is Christmas 2015. Although I could be wrong, it happened once.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grumpybear View Post
    I don't know kickstarter works. Would someone please explain Thanks
    Me too! I've never participated in one before......

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    Ok this is how it works:

    Someone has an idea but can't get financial support from banks or investors, so they pitch their idea through kickstarter to see if there is anyone out there that is willing to invest in the idea.

    Once the company or individual has made the pitch they will then give some backing options for those wishing to support the idea - normally there will be different levels of support that will then be rewarded in different ways from a simple 'thank you' to being able to have a say in the development/design in the product.

    So for instance this kick starter maybe set up as follows:

    War Bond Support $1 - $99USD

    Thank you for your support and keeping your airmen fighting! we really appreciate it!

    Airman $100 USD

    Your plane is ready and waiting Sir! Choose one of the bombers

    Bomber Command $200 USD

    Receive Both bombers

    Imperialist or Entente $500 (limited to XYZ number of backers)

    Get the Zeppelin or HP 0/400 and be named as one of the crew members on the card.

    $1000 Bomber Ace

    Get both bombers and be named as one of the pilots

    $2000 USD Ace of Aces

    Receive both bombers in all colour schemes and also have a Fighter Ace card made up with your picture on it.

    These are just examples.... .they may even throw in stretch goals. These are when the project gets funding before the deadline finishes so they offer more items that backers will get on top of the items they pledge!

    These could be ground targets, more aircraft cards or actual miniature colour schemes.

    Now in regards to how the money is pledge, money is only taken once the project has met its funding goal.
    Last edited by FarEast; 02-24-2015 at 16:33.

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    This is good news.

    I would try to explain Kickstarter as follows:

    Kickstarter is a website which allows 'inventors' to advertise their projects and invite people to contribute money towards them. In return the investors receive incentives. There are different levels of contribution and incentives but if you contribute enough you usually receive the product at a reduced price compared with the retail price. If the project is oversubscribed the inventors usually offer bonuses to contributors.

    However, you are risking your money because some Kickstarter projects 'flop'. Also some (most?) projects fail to meet their deadline for delivery and you have to wait for your goods.

    Ares have a good track record of success although they have trouble meeting deadlines.

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    I've backed several Kickstarters and although deadlines are very rarely met the ones I have backed have been bloody impressive!

    Elite Dangerous was one of the ones I backed along with Luchadore Mexican Wrestling Dice... .both brilliant well polished products!

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    The one that I backed that impressed me the most was Deluxe Ogre. They pulled out all the stops on that one. Of course, it was a year late, but they did a good job.

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    I never did one before , so this will be my first.

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    I intend to KICKstart the crap out of this project!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jbmacek View Post
    The one that I backed that impressed me the most was Deluxe Ogre. They pulled out all the stops on that one. Of course, it was a year late, but they did a good job.
    Yes, Ogre is impressive. That was my first kickstarter. I've done a few since then and they all have made it.
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    There will be stretch goals and the pre-production photos never look as good as the finished models. We see this with every release.

    I've backed quite a few KS projects and the only ones that ever meet their deadlines are playing cards. Every game/miniatures project has been late. Part of the problem is that there are now like 1000 times the number of games being produced and manufactured because of KS, but the factories still have the same bandwidth as before. Those companies give time estimates they know they can't meet, just so they don't lose the job. Add on all the normal design and shipping delays and things get backed up really fast. Companies should really start adding 3-4 months to their expected delivery date. That they can "hide" 3-4 months of a 7 month delay... or they can deliver early

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    Estimate of the dimensions of the Staaken model? It looks huge.

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    If the Shapeways one is correct it should be 6" long by 11.5" wingspan.

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    11.5" indeed, Shapeways or not . . .



    I'm in for the kickstarter, even if I have a dozen odd Staakens and 6 0400's!
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    Estimate of the dimensions of the Staaken model? It looks huge.
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    I notice that this time round they`re putting crew figures in the models, unlike the Caproni`s or Gotha`s.

    I don`t recognise the red engined O/400, I take it it must be an oddball scheme chosen for its looks since most O/400`s were just overall green or sometimes with unpainted fabric underneath.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EhindsVCS View Post
    Estimate of the dimensions of the Staaken model? It looks huge.
    Exactly 144 times smaller than the real aircraft.

    The Zeppelin Straaken

    wingspan will be 291mm while its length will 152mm

    Handley Page 0/400

    wingspan will be 200mm while its length will 139mm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rabbit 3 View Post
    I notice that this time round they`re putting crew figures in the models, unlike the Caproni`s or Gotha`s.

    I don`t recognise the red engined O/400, I take it it must be an oddball scheme chosen for its looks since most O/400`s were just overall green or sometimes with unpainted fabric underneath.
    The red engines are from a RNAS aircraft - and I absolutely love them they will be perfect for my Wings over Water Scenarios!
    Last edited by FarEast; 02-24-2015 at 22:45.

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    Personally I do not see the need for them, but that is not going to stop me from buying one of each just to add to my collection

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug View Post
    Personally I do not see the need for them, but that is not going to stop me from buying one of each just to add to my collection
    You will have to buy a couple more maps just to field these planes.

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    The 0/400 have allways been my favorit WWI bomber. And the Staaken? Well who can resist it? Not me

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    Both of them look aweseome.

    I'm afraid of the shipping cost to Germany, but here I can't resist I'm afraid.

    I'm not shure if this is a Kickstarter "exclusive" or if we later get the chance to buy those in the shops like the SoG games?


    I know that there are alternative producers but the Ares Games minis (...or biggies) have the special rules, orginal movement deck and the original bases added, a big advantage in my eyes.
    Voilą le soleil d'Austerlitz!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boney10 View Post
    wonder what stretch goals may be
    Pilots that can see out of the cockpits?
    Run for your life - there are stupid people everywhere!

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    Hopefully they will make the project EU friendly so the postage will not be too excessive and we don't get hit customs too

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boney10 View Post
    Hopefully they will make the project EU friendly so the postage will not be too excessive and we don't get hit customs too
    I second that hope - although even if not it probably won't stop me adding them to the collection.

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    Congratulations guys. I hope this doesn't mean the WW2 stuff is being put on the shelf for a while.

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    The timescale of the Kickstarter will be long enough not to effect anything already announced, and should run in tandem with later product issues.
    Rob.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FarEast View Post
    Ok this is how it works:

    Someone has an idea but can't get financial support from banks or investors, so they pitch their idea through kickstarter to see if there is anyone out there that is willing to invest in the idea.

    Once the company or individual has made the pitch they will then give some backing options for those wishing to support the idea - normally there will be different levels of support that will then be rewarded in different ways from a simple 'thank you' to being able to have a say in the development/design in the product.

    So for instance this kick starter maybe set up as follows:

    War Bond Support $1 - $99USD

    Thank you for your support and keeping your airmen fighting! we really appreciate it!

    Airman $100 USD

    Your plane is ready and waiting Sir! Choose one of the bombers

    Bomber Command $200 USD

    Receive Both bombers

    Imperialist or Entente $500 (limited to XYZ number of backers)

    Get the Zeppelin or HP 0/400 and be named as one of the crew members on the card.

    $1000 Bomber Ace

    Get both bombers and be named as one of the pilots

    $2000 USD Ace of Aces

    Receive both bombers in all colour schemes and also have a Fighter Ace card made up with your picture on it.

    These are just examples.... .they may even throw in stretch goals. These are when the project gets funding before the deadline finishes so they offer more items that backers will get on top of the items they pledge!

    These could be ground targets, more aircraft cards or actual miniature colour schemes.

    Now in regards to how the money is pledge, money is only taken once the project has met its funding goal.
    Thanks

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    I have been involved or am involved in 5 Kickstarters, not one so far has delivered on the date specified. But I know they are reputable projects and three are in the process of posting the goods, but heard a variety of excuses from the current backlog of containers in the states, chineese new year and fine tuning the rules.

    Basically in a Kickstarter project a designer( shall we say) comes up with an ides, in our case the Bombers.
    To get some funding, for whatever the reason , they put out to Kickstarter saying they need x £ or $ or € to make sure the project is viable for them.
    We as punters then pledge to buy the items that have been offered.
    These could be different items for different prices, as illustrated by Far East.
    As more and more people pledge we reach the minimum amount, if the total is passed the project designer offered little extras to sweeten the deal, this could be t-shirts, mugs, terrain mats, discounts.
    As more funding is received these extras can be added to your basic pledge, depending upon what you decided. Each starting pledge will say exactly what it involves and what extras you will receive , if any.
    After a set period of time Kickstarter will close its doors as it were and we see if the minimum has been reached.
    If yes then the goodies will be made, if not then it doesn't happen.
    Hope this is clear

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    I spoke to God and he listened.....

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    I thought I would push my luck a little

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    Oooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhh nice, keep pushing James

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