Wings of Glory "Giants of the Sky" Kickstarter

**Naharaht** · 03-12-2015 18:56

Will the maps be rolled up or folded? Both have disadvantages, a rolled map can be difficult to get flat and a folded map will have creases.

**Canestri10** · 03-12-2015 20:18

I'm confused. The WW2 app is only on iOS but not android yet the WW1 version will be available on both.

I use android and only play WW2, what are my options? Any news on an android release?

Sam.

**GhenrikG** · 03-12-2015 21:32

I just donwloaded the app yesterday. From what I can see at first glance, it covers only the Wings of Glory miniatures (So no BF109s etc).
Covered planes are:

Fighters
Curtiss P-40
FW-190 D
Fiat CR-42
Gloster Gladiator
Kawasaki Ki-61-I
Nakajima KI-64 Hayate
P-51D Mustang
Reggiane Re.2001
Spitfire Mk.IX
Yakovlev Yak-1

Heavy Fighters
Bristol Beaufighter
Messerschmitt Bf.110

Bombers
Heinkel He111
North American B-25

The app tracks fuel consumption (the fuel level is adjustable, so you can assign half a tank to your plane. Fuel consumption is tracked by pressing the fast or slow movement button) and alltitude.

I do not believe you can assign damage cards to the planes (Perhaps, this will still be implemented?).

Overall, it is a nice idea, which should be expanded uppon. I would wish for a damage deck (might be that I just haven't found it?) and a movement deck for planning, then the app would be perfect.
As is, I would assume you do not really need it if you are playing only with six to eight planes. If you use a lot more the app will be helpful
I won't complain about a WWI version and would certainly get it.

**Diamondback** · 03-12-2015 21:39

Just over $9800 to go for Scenario Books!

**FarEast** · 03-12-2015 22:11

Originally Posted by csadn

Not Ares's fault, necessarily -- but still Not A Good Omen.

There is one very easy solution, remove your pledge and wait till they go retail.

That way there is no risk for you. You'll still get the models when they eventually come out.

**flash** · 03-13-2015 01:04

If they assign a damage deck and movement deck for planning then you don't have to buy their models to play Henrick...so I can't see that happening !

**Prodromoi** · 03-13-2015 01:30

Originally Posted by Canestri10

I'm confused. The WW2 app is only on iOS but not android yet the WW1 version will be available on both.

I use android and only play WW2, what are my options? Any news on an android release?

Sam.

The update that came through about the new stretch goal (the WW1 version of the app) also mentioned that, if/when reached, an Android version of the WW2 app would be developed as part of the whole package.

**Roger Wilco** · 03-13-2015 03:22

I joined as an EB Collector, but reality hit me hard and I had to withdraw. $219 US is a great price but the Aussie dollar is diving like a kamikaze zero and has dropped to an unaffordable exchange for me. Sorry I'll have to wait for the std retail release in October which will give me more time to save up.

**GhenrikG** · 03-13-2015 03:51

Originally Posted by flash

If they assign a damage deck and movement deck for planning then you don't have to buy their models to play Henrick...so I can't see that happening !

Well, you still need the models. But I guess you have a point.

However, with all the info available here at the aerodrome and on bgg you could proxy anything, which is already available.
The app is for free and a nice gimick as is. I am not sure that Ares would experience any financial drawback if those decks would be included.
On the other hand, I certainly do not have any insight into their numbers or sale strategy. Thus, I might be completely wrong...

**Maverick** · 03-13-2015 05:45

Tally HO

Have joined the pledge scheme

the multiple bomber table at last games show will be maxed out next year if everyone gets the bombers on the table

could be a magnificent site

can't wait for October!

Maverick

**Oberst Hajj** · 03-13-2015 07:56

Originally Posted by FarEast

East and West London will join together for a double map - I'm hoping you'll be able to add the countryside or Town map to the end for a bigger playing surface - I also hope they make a digital version of the map available as I have a shop local to me that will be able to print to the neoprene fabric. (pricey but worth it!)

The London maps are drawn at a lower altitude to give higher resolution on the ground targets. As such, they will not really combine with the other two mats in the KS or the the 3 CCC mats. Think of the London mats at tactical mats and all the rest as strategic mats.

the 3 CCC mats are printed on neoprene (exactly like a cloth mouse pad) and Ares plans to do the same thing to these 4 new mats at a later date.

**Oberst Hajj** · 03-13-2015 08:06

Originally Posted by Beer&pretzels

First off, I am very happy that this kick starter has gone so well and I really want to say thank you to everybody at Ares Games for continuing this game. For several years it looked like the only new planes that I was going to see on my game table were going to be self painted. While I am thrilled to know that these big bombers are coming out, I sure would like to see a couple Felix-Stowes and other flying boats. Also, any news on Series 8? I really NEED those Nieuports!

This KS might open up the option for Ares to offer other less "main stream" aircraft via KS as well.

As for Series 8, still waiting for the docks on the west cost to start moving freely again.

Originally Posted by Naharaht

Will the maps be rolled up or folded? Both have disadvantages, a rolled map can be difficult to get flat and a folded map will have creases.

They will be folded in order to fit into the mini boxes. But we are getting them in mouse pad form at some point later on... so not a huge issue.

**GhenrikG** · 03-13-2015 08:11

Originally Posted by Oberst Hajj

[...] Ares plans to do the same thing to these 4 new mats at a later date.

That is awesome news!

**flash** · 03-13-2015 08:23

Originally Posted by Dom S

...The smart money says it's a DNS routing issue with your ISP....

Blimey ! I just put it down to Karma !

**Teaticket** · 03-13-2015 10:59

Originally Posted by Oberst Hajj

The London maps are drawn at a lower altitude to give higher resolution on the ground targets. As such, they will not really combine with the other two mats in the KS or the the 3 CCC mats. Think of the London mats at tactical mats and all the rest as strategic mats.

the 3 CCC mats are printed on neoprene (exactly like a cloth mouse pad) and Ares plans to do the same thing to these 4 new mats at a later date.

That will be fantastic! I hope they get to that sooner than later.

**Canestri10** · 03-13-2015 12:09

Thanks Alex. Great news. Hope you guys reach it. Stellar effort so far.

**CH_Brun** · 03-13-2015 12:49

Nice!!!!

**Flying Officer Kyte** · 03-13-2015 13:32

Originally Posted by Oberst Hajj

This KS might open up the option for Ares to offer other less "main stream" aircraft via KS as well.
.

We can hope that this K.S. may well open Pandora's box then Keith?
I do hope that this is the watershed for both our sakes and Ares.
Rob.

**matt56** · 03-13-2015 13:35

Well, I jumped in at the veteran level this morning before going to work and had no problems with registering or "giving" them my pledge. It's a great deal compared to the planned cost of the planes when they're released for all to buy. It's really cool that they've raised this much so quickly.

All the best,
Matt

**David Manley** · 03-13-2015 13:40

Originally Posted by FarEast

There is one very easy solution, remove your pledge and wait till they go retail.

That way there is no risk for you. You'll still get the models when they eventually come out.

But then he'd have nothing to grouse about

**Guntruck** · 03-13-2015 13:59

Originally Posted by David Manley

But then he'd have nothing to grouse about

Harsh but fair

**Flying Helmut** · 03-13-2015 14:03

There's plenty of other things out there.

**csadn** · 03-13-2015 14:34

Originally Posted by David Manley

But then he'd have nothing to grouse about :)

No,I wouldn't -- instead, I can dance the Mocking Jig as the project falls further and further behind, and the posts of rage and frustration build.... >;)

**Diamondback** · 03-13-2015 15:04

But if they took my advice and it works out, then *we* get to mock *you*.

**VerySlick** · 03-13-2015 20:09

I wouldn't mind having two more planes added to the kickstarter like the Caproni Ca. 4 or the Felixstowe.

**Diamondback** · 03-13-2015 20:17

Originally Posted by VerySlick

I wouldn't mind having two more planes added to the kickstarter like the Caproni Ca. 4 or the Felixstowe.

Would be cool, but unlikely--the only reason this is happening as fast as it is is because these two aircraft have already been in prep for quite a while and are at the point where all that's left to do is finalize the "paper" content going with the minis in the package and pay the factory to go forward with production with however many units.

We all want to think Instant Gratification, but development on a product like this has a lot of Behind the Scenes stuff we don't see and there's a lot of time required for that that we don't know about. It's a wonder the game industry has survived at all with the clash of long-lead-time production vs. Gamer ADD...

**FarEast** · 03-13-2015 21:57

I have to agree i would like to have seen some more aircraft as strech goals rather than items like the maps, scenario book that were already going to be included in the packs. As they are already finalised and ready to print regardless- let's face it, these items are standard with all the bigger models, the hard management cards are any easy upgrade.

So all that was really left was to get the $20,000 in the bank to roll out production. The app I can see requiring an additional budget but unless the US ports are still closed for me autumn I really don't see this project falling behind - all the design work is done.

**Marechallannes** · 03-14-2015 03:52

The veteran pledge level + map set + shipping to Germany stresses my monthly (fun-)budget a lot.

So I'm happy thet the strech goals are really cheap or without additional cost.

If this WoG KS goes well - nothing speaks against a Felixstowe F.2. & Caproni Ca. 4 project with a founding goal of 20.000 $, too.

I think this is the best way for Ares Games release the exotic birds we all want.

**Marechallannes** · 03-14-2015 12:39

The strechgoal maps have exactly the same size as the original gaming mats.

(Question I asked Ares via Kickstarter)

Do you know that I pledge each day over the Euro/US-Dollar exchange rate.

**Nightbomber** · 03-14-2015 14:34

Originally Posted by Marechallannes

The strechgoal maps have exactly the same size as the original gaming mats.

(Question I asked Ares via Kickstarter)

That is COOL!

Do you know that I pledge each day over the Euro/US-Dollar exchange rate.

**Mike George** · 03-14-2015 15:39

I am in backer of this one.

**Diamondback** · 03-14-2015 15:53

$4700 to Scenario Books! (Well, a little more... if everyone else gets us close enough I'll make the last push to get it over again.)

**Nightbomber** · 03-14-2015 17:01

I am all for the maps! Great they are of the official size

Tartan Baron · 03-15-2015 07:53

Backed the project, went for a Rookie one, good deal. Not sure how I'm going to store them though

**Diamondback** · 03-15-2015 08:44

Around $3850 to go for Scenario Booklets...

**Diamondback** · 03-16-2015 15:03

$1880 to go!

**Diamondback** · 03-16-2015 18:22

SEVEN HUNDRED to go!

**Eris Lobo** · 03-17-2015 00:29

Good news ... yesterday got $3612 pledged in support, reversing the downward trend, with it being the largest single-day amount in the last four days!

Weird news, though ... according to www.kicktraq.com, today's total pledges so far are ... -$49!!! How can it be negative dollars???

Kickstarter is so strange !!!

-- Eris

**Flying Officer Kyte** · 03-17-2015 01:12

Somebody could have changed or withdrawn their pledge Eris.
Rob.

**Flying Helmut** · 03-17-2015 03:22

$65,112 - scenario Stretch Goal reached!

**Flying Officer Kyte** · 03-17-2015 03:28

Great news. Onward and upward.

Rob.

**zenlizard** · 03-17-2015 03:47

Originally Posted by Eris Lobo

Weird news, though ... according to www.kicktraq.com, today's total pledges so far are ... -$49!!! How can it be negative dollars???
-- Eris

As Rob pointed out, it could be someone withdrawing a pledge, or perhaps there's a typo (the whole world knows I make enough of those): it could be measuring a differential, reported as "total".

**Nightbomber** · 03-17-2015 03:53

Amazing

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**Diamondback** · 03-17-2015 05:14

Seen it before, saw the drop on the KS page, it was a pledge reduction.

Count Bogro · 03-17-2015 07:06

Originally Posted by Dan-Sam

And another news: everybody can buy a set of all 4 poster maps for 10$ and RAP for 25$ (both in "Adds-on" section).

erm ... I've tried to find the Adds-on section, but couldn't find it. Am I doing something wrong?
(as you might have noticed, I am rather new to WoG AND to kickstarter projects and such ...

Bogro

**Diamondback** · 03-17-2015 07:12

There isn't one yet--you have to add to yourr pledge, then remember what you added it for and the add-ons will be at the end-of-campaign Pledge Manager. Personally, I usually send the project owner a note about my add-on selections when I revise them, but this one I'm holding off for a bit.

Count Bogro · 03-17-2015 07:39

Originally Posted by Diamondback

There isn't one yet--you have to add to yourr pledge, then remember what you added it for and the add-ons will be at the end-of-campaign Pledge Manager. Personally, I usually send the project owner a note about my add-on selections when I revise them, but this one I'm holding off for a bit.

Makes sense - thanks Diamond Back!

BTW, out of pure curiosity; why are you holding back?

Bogro

**Diamondback** · 03-17-2015 07:43

I'm not holding back on money, just haven't really decided how many of each add-on I need--by adding to the pledge but not committing the funds to any specific add-on until later I can be more flexible just in case they add and we meet, say, free damage markers.

OT, my handle is one word, as in "Diamondback Rattlesnake," specifically referring to Crotalus atrox aka the Western Diamondback.