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    Default The New M-deck

    When the Snipes hit the streets last year I was excited because this is a lovely plane to fly. I only had one before and needed some more to even out the gaps in my collection. My son was making mincemeat of me in his SS DIII.

    All good and fine. To my question.

    When I open the boxes and looked at the long sideswipes of the new M-deck, I noticed that they were NON STEEP!! I just assumed this was a missprint and thought no more aboute it until a week or so ago.
    Someone here (can't remember who) made a comment on the new M-deck, suggesting that it might NOT be a missprint but a deliberate change.

    Do anyone know if it is a missprint or not?

    P-G

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    Andrea is the man to answer that one Per, why not drop him a PM.
    Rob.
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    Just checking my old Nexus Snipe models and in the old M Deck the normal Side-Slips are non steep but the extreme full card Side-Slips are steep.
    Must be a change.

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    If it is so. It will make the Snipe the only AC that have non steep long (extreme, broad, wide etc) sideswipes.
    I have sent Andrea a pm. I hope he will sort things out.

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    My question is why the deck had to be changed at all


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    Quote Originally Posted by tikkifriend View Post
    My question is why the deck had to be changed at all
    No doubt we will get an answer in due course Paul.
    I have given up bothering. All my aircraft fly on the deck they were given and if there is any change it's just good or bad luck to the people who bought that particular deck. If Zoe says change it I do on the Unofficial committee cards but that is all.
    Rob.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flying Officer Kyte View Post
    No doubt we will get an answer in due course Paul.
    I have given up bothering. All my aircraft fly on the deck they were given and if there is any change it's just good or bad luck to the people who bought that particular deck. If Zoe says change it I do on the Unofficial committee cards but that is all.
    Rob.
    Yep thats my take on things . Play the cards you have.


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    Quote Originally Posted by tikkifriend View Post
    Yep thats my take on things . Play the cards you have.
    I would do that, except I really seriously prefer the old style light green cards - I find the new dark green ones too difficult to see against the dark gaming mats. I therefore routinely replace all my "new" decks with "old" ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flying Helmut View Post
    I would do that, except I really seriously prefer the old style light green cards - I find the new dark green ones too difficult to see against the dark gaming mats. I therefore routinely replace all my "new" decks with "old" ones.
    I thought it was just me with my poor eyesight that lost cards on the playing mats Tim.
    I have to agree with you about the new decks. I try to only use them where there is no alternative.
    Rob.
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    I agree 100%. The new cards try their best and often succeed in disappearing on the mats that their artwork was taken from.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flying Officer Kyte View Post
    I thought it was just me with my poor eyesight that lost cards on the playing mats Tim.
    I have to agree with you about the new decks. I try to only use them where there is no alternative.
    Rob.
    Fortunately Rob the new ones work great on the old Nexus mats which are much lighter in colour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tikkifriend View Post
    Yep thats my take on things . Play the cards you have.
    It is not a big thing for me either. I just play the broad sideswipe as steep.
    But it can be fun to know how the thoughts went if there is a change.
    Last edited by LOOP; 02-24-2015 at 22:54.

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    Just noticed that the P-deck has a non steep broad sideswipe......

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    Quote Originally Posted by LOOP View Post
    It is not a big thing for me either. I just play the broad sideswipe as steep.
    But it can be fun to know the thoughts went if there is a change.
    Be interesting to find out if it is a change or just a misprint on some of the new decks.
    If it is a misprint then all you need to do is draw a diamond on to a couple of cards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LOOP View Post
    Just noticed that the P-deck has a non steep broad sideswipe......
    Until now it was the only deck that did Per.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flash View Post
    Until now it was the only deck that did Per.
    Is it its low speed that make the different?

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    No idea, you'd have to ask Andrea but it does only have one sideslip left and right instead of the usual two so maybe it's to compensate for that ?

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    If the new M-deck with its non steep long sideswipes is not a missprint then Ares should at least have changed the name of the deck.
    Now we have two different decks for the same aircraft. The new M-Deck makes it possible to fly two successiv very wide sideslips (to the right).
    I can't imagine that this was changed intentionally but I'm curious to hear this from Ares.

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    We never actually got a definite answer to the first question.
    Rob.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackronin View Post
    I would say misprint.
    That would be my thought too.

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    If this shouldn't be a misprint than I'm curious to know how many points the new M-deck for the Snipe would get on Andrea's Point-system-for-Wings-of-Glory

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flying Helmut View Post
    I would do that, except I really seriously prefer the old style light green cards - I find the new dark green ones too difficult to see against the dark gaming mats. I therefore routinely replace all my "new" decks with "old" ones.
    me too. we once had 1 game come to a screeching halt for 20 minutes looking for a missing card only to discover it had blended in on the mat and was in plain view lol

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    I PM:d Andrea a year ago but never got an answer
    But I treat it as a missprint.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teaticket View Post
    I agree 100%. The new cards try their best and often succeed in disappearing on the mats that their artwork was taken from.
    Agreed. The new graphics are, IMHO, universally worse than the originals. I hate the "new" damage decks and the aircraft and manoeuvre cards are extremely difficult to readin anything other than bright light.

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    Really? I like the "modernized" look quite a lot. Especially the "blend-in effect" of the card/mat artwork.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nachtschwärmer View Post
    Really? I like the "modernized" look quite a lot. Especially the "blend-in effect" of the card/mat artwork.
    Well if you have good light and a pale playingmat they are allright but the old style cards is easier to see and read.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Manley View Post
    Agreed. The new graphics are, IMHO, universally worse than the originals. I hate the "new" damage decks and the aircraft and manoeuvre cards are extremely difficult to readin anything other than bright light.
    Can not agree more. Those are the worst graphics of all times. The symbols are misleading (gun jam/engine damage).

    The maneuver cards are very difficult to read as well. But I think I know why. It is done on purpose. Such blended graphics and low contrast make any photocopy a nightmare. This way ARES probably tries to prevent them from being copied. And it is annoying. I could understand that if they seel special/replacement packs with maneuver cards only. I could by them. Now, when they do not have many boxed planes with maneuver cards on sale and they do not sale cards alone, that is simply not fair.
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    No problem with the old or new ones (may be dark cards for WWII during Nexus WoW period...). I like the small line behind the arrow

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightbomber View Post
    Can not agree more. Those are the worst graphics of all times. The symbols are misleading (gun jam/engine damage).

    The maneuver cards are very difficult to read as well. But I think I know why. It is done on purpose. Such blended graphics and low contrast make any photocopy a nightmare. This way ARES probably tries to prevent them from being copied. And it is annoying. I could understand that if they seel special/replacement packs with maneuver cards only. I could by them. Now, when they do not have many boxed planes with maneuver cards on sale and they do not sale cards alone, that is simply not fair.
    I really love these games and I'm thankful for Ares to have them.
    Saying this I do really think that they do not think it through on a lot of subjects that would make their lives easier and the game richer.
    But alas... it's always easy to be wise after the finished contents than before...

    They really could send me the contents for an overview and critique before they go full production... I would do it gladly and for free.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan-Sam View Post
    No problem with the old or new ones (may be dark cards for WWII during Nexus WoW period...). I like the small line behind the arrow
    Yes, but have you seen the new blue arrows over blue see background on WGF Macchis V decks, Daniel? Could anybody tell me why can not they be just damn BLACK?
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    Still much better than dark blue arrows on dark cards from Nexus 1st series - the worst maneuver cards ever

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan-Sam View Post
    Still much better than dark blue arrows on dark cards from Nexus 1st series - the worst maneuver cards ever
    The Nexus WW2 B-deck is madness!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teaticket View Post
    I agree 100%. The new cards try their best and often succeed in disappearing on the mats that their artwork was taken from.
    I opened a thread concerning the different design between the old (Nexus) and the new (Ares) version of maneuver cards connected with a poll.
    Maneuver-Decks-Artwork-of-WoW-v-WoG

    I also prefer the old design to the new one. At leat this is the case for the WGF maneuver cards. The old WGS maneuver cards already look much like the new WGF and WGS cards by Ares.
    If Ares had just used white outlines to the arows/lines the new design could have been good as well.
    But it is like it is and I'm so glad that Ares continued the WoG line.

    But back to the main question of this thread...
    I do hope that either Andrea or someone from Ares can give us an answer to the question if the very wide sideslips of the new M-deck are misprints and should
    have been steep maneuvers as in the old M-deck.

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    I'm trying to clear up some discrepancies in the official card versions, and this dead thread represents one of them. Has anyone heard Andrea's answer to whether the new M deck card is a misprint, or has someone from the Unofficial Aircraft Committee made a decision on this particular discrepancy?

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    being fairly new to the game I must admit I lean towards the WoW damage deck, especially the engine damage card as opposed to the WoW grey card. BUT it's still a great game. Fly safe fellas and fellaettes



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