Pimping for WW2 Soviet Planes!

[grumpybear]

I would love to see more Russian early to late war planes. I don't play much WW2 but enjoy collecting models and hope to play more

[fast.git]

I would love to see more Russian early to late war planes. I don't play much WW2 but enjoy collecting models and hope to play more

I'd sign up for a sculpt of the Lavochkin La-5 or La-7.

[kaufschtick]

I'd sign up for a sculpt of the Lavochkin La-5 or La-7.

Zvezda has the La-5 on their 2015 catalog (which means we could see it by early 2017) in 1/144 scale...I'd love to see it make its release this year. Their La-3 was a damn good kit for the rock bottom price they asked. I think I bought a couple pair, one pair for their Art of Tactic game and the other for WoG. I believe I got them for $2.99 each off CoolStuff some time back. Super price for a damn fine little kit, they made for excellent WoG planes.

[Teaticket]

If you don't mind painting your own, check out the Shapeways list. Many Russian planes in 1/144 and 1/200. La 5 is there.

http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/sho...s-on-Shapeways

[Barkmann]

(calculating distance from Australia to Brazil)...

(hiding somewhere in the house)

[Kubajs]

Nowadays I'm preparing the scenario for Prague Con 2015, I'd like to consult some statistics for Russian planes.
I've made a little research and I think this could be:
(maneuver deck, short range shot/long range shot, damage, climb rate)
Mig-3 (C, B/A, 17, 3)
Yak-9D (B, BC/C, 17, 3)
La-5FN (Q, CC/C, 18, 3)
La-7 (R, CCC/AC, 18, 2)
Pe-2 (N*, A/A+A/A, 22, 4)

N* = add two dive bombing maneuvers

any comments are welcome

[Jager]

Nowadays I'm preparing the scenario for Prague Con 2015, I'd like to consult some statistics for Russian planes.
I've made a little research and I think this could be:
(maneuver deck, short range shot/long range shot, damage, climb rate)
Mig-3 (C, B/A, 17, 3)
Yak-9D (B, BC/C, 17, 3)
La-5FN (Q, CC/C, 18, 3)
La-7 (R, CCC/AC, 18, 2)
Pe-2 (N*, A/A+A/A, 22, 4)

N* = add two dive bombing maneuvers

any comments are welcome

My opinions:

Mig-3 (E, B/A, 17, 4)
Yak-9D (A, AC/B, 17, 4) or did you mean the Yak-9U (P, BC/AB, 18, 2)
La-5FN (Q, CC/C, 18, 4)
La-7 (R, CCC/BC, 18, 3)
Pe-2 (N, B/A+A/A, 25, 6)

Karl

[Kubajs]

Thanks for the revisions Karl.
Are you sure about the E maneuvers for Mig? It's good choice due to lower maneuverability, but I thought it was slower than Bf.109E.

Iď like to insist on the climb rates for both Lavochkin.
Wikipedia: Fw190A-8 15m/s, Fw190D-9 17m/s, La5FN 16,7 m/s, La7 18,3 m/s
In the memories of Czechoslovakian pilots is La-7 remembered as the only plane that was able to climb faster than Fw190D.

Regarding climb rate for Pe-2, I don't have close at hand the book from which I came out. So It will be the subject for me for detailed studies.

And finally - why not give the dive bombing maneuvers to Pe-2?
It was a dive bomber and one of the best ground attack aircraft of the war.

[Jager]

The MiG-3 E deck is a compromise; it's an example of how different planes' movement can change based on altitude. Designed for high altitude, it was forced to fly in combat low. While not the worst example, it was pretty extreme is the changes. It could warrant a D deck at low altitude, but be a B deck above 20K'.
I'd have to search through my notes for the climb data I used; wiki isn't the only or best source. Also, climb rates change with altitude (another problem with the WGS engine ) That said, being unofficial, you may use the figures you feel are best for your game.
As for the Pe-2, I didn't note in my research of it capable of extremely steep dive attacks. Ground attacks, certainly, but divebombing like Stukas, Vals and Dauntlesses?
Karl

[Kubajs]

I play WGS only in altitude levels 1-4. Sometimes even 5.
So I'm looking for characteristics in low levels.
One of my books indicates for many types of aircraft the time it needed to reach 5000 m. How is it relevant for comparing climb rates?
It's 7 min. for Pe-2 and 5 min. for La-5FN, while 8,5 min. for Bf-110C and 6,5 min. for Bf-109E.
From another source i found these values of climb rates for comparison:
Pe-2 9,8 m/s, La-7 18,3 m/s, La-5FN 16,73 m/s, Fw 190 D-9 17,9 m/s, Bf,109E-3 17,83 m/s, Bf.110C-4 11m/s, Bristol Beaufighter Mk.IF 10 m/s
I'm a bit confused about the Pe-2.

[Jager]

My opinions:

Mig-3 (E, B/A, 17, 3)
Yak-9D (A, AC/B, 17, 4)
La-5FN (Q, CC/C, 18, 3)
La-7 (R, CCC/BC, 18, 2)
Pe-2 (N, B/A+A/A, 25, 6)

Karl

"On further review" as they say in American Football.
I agree on 3 out of 5 to you, Kubajs. the Yak-9d should still be 4, though it is close. the Pe-2 is still a 6.
I'm not convinced that the LaG-5FN shouldn't revert to a 4 above 6KM, but things were mostly lower in the OstFront.
As for dive cards for the Pe-2; while fitted with divebrakes, I don't know if it could do a stuka/Val/Dauntless type diving attack.
Moreover, after late '42, the divebrakes were removed, and it reverted to a ground-attack plane.
Thanks for bring this up, and I hope it helps my mates at PragueCon 2015.
Karl

[Kubajs]

Once again, thanks for the time you spent with it.
I believe in many epic Eastern Front scenarios held in Prague in next months and years.

[Nightbomber]

You can expect many new EF minis in this thread...

http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/sho...ront-Workbench

[Gallo Rojo]

Soviet P-40! (work in progress)

[Xen]

nice! I've been collecting P40's with the hope of doing some similar repaints. Theyre getting hard to find now though! has anyone else had trouble finding these?

[CappyTom]

Soviet P-40! (work in progress)

So do you have a tutorial with step by step photos on how you did it? Great job.

Thomas

[Gallo Rojo]

So do you have a tutorial with step by step photos on how you did it? Great job.

Thomas

Thanks Thomas
Unfortunatelly I didn't take pictures of this repaint while I was doing it.
It was a pretty straight forward repainting though:
I removed original paint and decals rubbing with alcohol
Then airbrushed the whole mini on flat white
hand painted belly with neutral grey
some washes with olive drab and medium green, highlighting ribs and panel lines with a very thin brush
applying home made decals
regarding decals: Red 26 was too big for the scale (my bad), I had to place the cyrillic line on a wrong possition ... but I can live with that
According to my research and knoledge Soviet planes didn't have a red star on the wings upper sides, only on under wings.
Now I'm planning on painting prop on black, exaust on brown, add some smoke ...

[Franco Lucchini]

L-2 Sturmovik for tank-busting missions please.

Ramming rules for I-16s could be fun.

[Setarius]

Excellent points gentlemen on all the planes. Especially like several of the paint schemes. Armament in Miniatures produces planes in the proper scale for use with Wings of Glory. The planes come unpainted, so any paint scheme is possible. They provide planes for all combatants, including Soviet and Chinese.

[Mau Fox]

Zdràstvuitje tovariches,

lots of competent modelers here as usual and a very interesting thread.
So I'd like to contribute to pimp these russki birds with some books I have in pdf format. Tons of pics and color plates inside.









If anyone of you is interested, just drop me a PM with an email address.

Mau

[Nightbomber]

Thanks very much for your announcement Maurizio.
Apart from any political issues, I think EF airwar is a world of forgotten battles to explore and I am really fond of it. Good to know there are others here who share my enthusiasm.
For those who are not very familiar with this front, please note we may find probably the greatest variety of plane types of all fronts there, sometimes in very unusual markings, not to mention the many nationals fighting in the air. Wanna cocktail? Here you are :
- Croats flying Do-17 bombers,
- Frenchmen and Poles flying Yaks,
- Bulgarians flying D.520,
- Finns flying Russian I-153,
- Germans and Romanians flying PZL-37 (Polish bombers),
- Russians flying Hurricanes, Airacobras and P-40s.
A hell of repaints awaits.

[Angiolillo]

- Frenchmen and Poles flying Yaks,

A Frenchman in a Yak is in the game, we have an official mini for it.

Finnish really have a whide range of unusual planes... Fiat G.50, Gloster Gladiator (with Sweden pilots too)...

A few gladiators were also shortly flown by Soviets.

[Zoe Brain]

A Frenchman in a Yak is in the game, we have an official mini for it.

Finnish really have a whide range of unusual planes... Fiat G.50, Gloster Gladiator (with Sweden pilots too)...

A few gladiators were also shortly flown by Soviets.

Unfortunately we'll never see a Finnish or Latvian scheme. Not an official one.

Here's two Finnish Gladiators. One actually Swedish volunteer.

[BobP]

Here are 2 Zvezda 1/144 LaGG'3 is build. I have 2 Po-2 I have to take pics of and post.

[BobP]

Another view of them.

[Пилот]

We had great pictures, now is time for some music

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Uoz-V5HkbU