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    Default Official Potez 630 and derivative Painting Thread

    These minis are 1/200 scale resin miniatures produced by Armaments in Miniature, LLC.

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    You are making me very envious of your French planes.
    I'd like to see them on the table in a AAR.

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    Default 1/144 Potez 63-11s from Creations Chaubet

    This is the all-metal, 1/144 scale model from Creations Chaubet. Kevin

    http://jacques.chaubet.free.fr/fra1939/0potez63-11.htm

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    This Potez is just beautifully painted.

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    Exceptional work again Kevin.
    Now I am not sure if I need to raise my game or not, but if the Oberst runs another painting comp we are all in trouble.
    Rob.
    "Courage is the art of being the only one who knows you're scared to death."

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    great painting Kevin. I just painted one myself but I don't know how to upload a picture so I can't show it. Have you got a planecard for a Potez and which manoeuverdeck do you use?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackronin View Post
    You are making me very envious of your French planes.
    I'd like to see them on the table in a AAR.
    Hey Jo,
    you might see one on the table coming Saturday

    cheers,
    Guus
    "zet 'm op ... witte muizen !" (strijdkreet van 1e JaVa, Luchtvaart Afdeling, Nederland 1940)
    "let's go get them ... white mice !" (battlecry of the 1st Fighter Group, Army Air Force, Netherlands 1940)

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    Quote Originally Posted by miscmini View Post
    This is the all-metal, 1/144 scale model from Creations Chaubet. Kevin

    http://jacques.chaubet.free.fr/fra1939/0potez63-11.htm

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    man, youve got to love those colorful french paintjobs!!!

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    Beautiful paint job.I love the window effects.


    Here's to them what are like us. Damn few and they're all dead.

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    As I said superbly painted. I agree with you Jim, and yes those windows are a real achievement Kevin. I should have mentioned them in my first post.
    Rob.
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    Quote Originally Posted by miscmini View Post
    This is the all-metal, 1/144 scale model from Creations Chaubet. Kevin

    http://jacques.chaubet.free.fr/fra1939/0potez63-11.htm

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    Extremely nice job there, Keven. The glass effects are WOW!

    Quote Originally Posted by milcoll73 View Post
    man, youve got to love those colorful french paintjobs!!!
    True, but remember, they are "surrender" colors forced on the Vichy airforce by the Germans.
    Karl
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cats Eyes View Post
    great painting Kevin. I just painted one myself but I don't know how to upload a picture so I can't show it. Have you got a planecard for a Potez and which manoeuverdeck do you use?
    I have the Potez 630 planes in the unofficial files:
    https://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/do...o=file&id=2136
    https://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/do...o=file&id=2137

    Karl
    It is impossible for a man to begin to learn what he thinks he knows. -- Epictetus

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    hi Karl, thanks very much! That's the technical problem solved. Do you know wheter there is a planecard for the Potez 630 or not?

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    I do not, but you might ask Mike (Oldguy59) or Steve (Guntruck).
    Card making is not in my skill set
    Karl
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    thanks, I will ask one of them. This weekend we have a gathering of the Dutch Wing at my house. (Thats one of the benefits to live in a small country; members of the whole country will be present) And we (Guus (aardvark 1430) and I made up some scenarios including a bombingraid with the Potez. So it would be nice to have a card. I have the right carddeck so that's most important. And thanks for the rep.

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    You all know where this is leading to...

    I can't find a decent drawing of the 63.11.

    Also, the rate of fire on the 7.5mm MAC 34s was triple that on .303 Browning MGs. So, would that change the weapon ratings?
    Last edited by OldGuy59; 06-20-2018 at 23:11.
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    hi Mike,
    this is the picture of my Potez. I hope it serves the purpose.
    According to Karl's info the deck is J(b), Damage 18, Firepower short C-C and long C and reargun A/A
    thanks in advance, Lex

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    These Potez birds sure are pretty! I have always liked the French tricolor scheme of grey, brown, and green - and the Vichy version is just eye-popping... I will be interested to see them used in an AAR.

    All the best,
    Matt

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    Next Step...

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    "Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss" Douglas Adams
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    this is amazing I like it a lot

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    And the final draft:

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGuy59 View Post
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    You all know where this is leading to...

    I can't find a decent drawing of the 63.11.

    Also, the rate of fire on the 7.5mm MAC 34s was triple that on .303 Browning MGs. So, would that change the weapon ratings?
    The Browning .303 Mark II used by the British had a RoF of 1150rpm according to wiki, so I would say no change.
    The basic M1919 Browning ground gun had a RoF of 400-600rpm.
    Karl
    It is impossible for a man to begin to learn what he thinks he knows. -- Epictetus

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    What impresses me the most is the sheer speed of manufacture of that card Mike.
    Rob.
    "Courage is the art of being the only one who knows you're scared to death."

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    I take my hat of and make a deep bow. Thanks very much Mike for this card. I owe you one

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flying Officer Kyte View Post
    What impresses me the most is the sheer speed of manufacture of that card Mike.
    Rob.
    It would have been faster with a better original drawing, and more info on the unit/crew. Both cost time and effort in addition to the creation of the template, colorizing the plane, and amending the card back to include the crew picture.

    But, all the practice is helping with technique short-cuts and details.

    And, now there is a Potez 630 template.
    Mike
    "Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss" Douglas Adams
    "Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jager View Post
    The Browning .303 Mark II used by the British had a RoF of 1150rpm according to wiki, so I would say no change.
    The basic M1919 Browning ground gun had a RoF of 400-600rpm.
    Karl
    KK. Mac 34 is rated at 1400-ish, so I wondered. All good!

    Thanks so much for the technical support. I learn so much stuff on this Forum, it's a wonder my head doesn't explode.
    Mike
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    "Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cats Eyes View Post
    I take my hat of and make a deep bow. Thanks very much Mike for this card. I owe you one
    Lex,
    Thanks for contributing to the collective wealth of our Forum. The AAR will be interesting, I'm sure.

    Enjoy!
    Mike
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    Stunning aircraft card, Mike! Love that you did it in the tricolor camo - very striking Like Rob, I am amazed at your turnaround time on these things...

    All the best,
    Matt

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    Some progress on the 63.11 bomber version...

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    "Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss" Douglas Adams
    "Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59

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    Lokks nice. We had a game last saterday and had great fun. AAR will be written soon(ish)!

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    Not sure about crew management for this plane...

    Also, can't find a match for the color scheme to an actual unit, either. So the above is a guess.
    Mike
    "Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss" Douglas Adams
    "Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGuy59 View Post
    Not sure about crew management for this plane...
    Pilot; rear gunner, who also controls the ventral guns (if there, but those are fixed), and observer/commander up front, with no gun to control.
    It doesn't look like crews can switch position, so a simple one.
    Karl
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jager View Post
    Pilot; rear gunner, who also controls the ventral guns (if there, but those are fixed), and observer/commander up front, with no gun to control.
    It doesn't look like crews can switch position, so a simple one.
    Karl
    Oops!? A ventral rear gun arc is needed, isn't it?

    That would entail a Management Card, as the gunner would have to choose which gun to fire, no?
    Mike
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    "Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59

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    The sites I've read say the guns were fixed, so the "arc" would be a line down the 6:00 vector. Not really useful, but these show up on early war planes.
    So I'd say no management card needed.
    Karl
    It is impossible for a man to begin to learn what he thinks he knows. -- Epictetus

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    This information is all very interesting to read. Thanks, guys

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    Impressive work here, very impressive!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jager View Post
    The sites I've read say the guns were fixed, so the "arc" would be a line down the 6:00 vector. Not really useful, but these show up on early war planes.
    So I'd say no management card needed.
    Karl
    Karl,
    What would you think of using the same, or similar, rules for the ventral gun on this plane as the He.111 H-3 tail gun? Would that be acceptable?

    The gun could be operated the same, allowing the dorsal gunner to fire at two targets at once, in this case, being that the targets would be in separate arcs, though. Or, just allow the gunner to pick which of two targets to shoot at, without needing to swap positions.

    Thoughts?
    Mike
    "Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss" Douglas Adams
    "Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGuy59 View Post
    Karl,
    What would you think of using the same, or similar, rules for the ventral gun on this plane as the He.111 H-3 tail gun? Would that be acceptable?

    The gun could be operated the same, allowing the dorsal gunner to fire at two targets at once, in this case, being that the targets would be in separate arcs, though. Or, just allow the gunner to pick which of two targets to shoot at, without needing to swap positions.

    Thoughts?
    Well, the He.111 "stinger" could move, though the arc given by Ares is overstated. Without seeing the rear gunners cockpit, we can't say how much vision he had for the ventral guns, and how he fired them.
    Everything I have read (which admittedly isn't much) of planes with fixed rear guns is that they were mostly ineffectual. Almost scarecrow guns to make an attacker flinch or even break off an attack due to the tracers.
    This is why I wouldn't give the ventrals any arc at all; just the line that will draw damage if it intersects a planes base. I would even go so far as to have the shots at short count as long, and no long. A is still A
    On the number of targets fired at, I would only allow the gunner to shoot at one target, on the assumption that the ventral guns are not triggered by a foot pedal.
    Karl
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    Here is a trio of Potex 631s. Planes by AIM, Miscmini decals, paints: top camo, Vallejo 096/896 Camo Olive Green, Vallejo 159/991 Dark Sea Grey, Ben Franklin acrylic craft paint Burnt Umber, undersides craft Folkart 457 Ice Blue

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    "Merci " for this beautiful Potez !

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    nice paintjobs on those me110s eeeerrrrrrrr potezs!

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    Brilliant work Peter!

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    Thanks guys.

    Yes, next Origins there will be a France '40 game.
    Last edited by Teaticket; 07-21-2020 at 19:49.

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    Very impressive artwork indeed Pete.
    I think you have even excelled your own very high standard with this one.
    Rob.
    "Courage is the art of being the only one who knows you're scared to death."

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    Superb painting!
    I laugh in the face of danger - then I hide until it goes away!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teaticket View Post
    Thanks guys.

    Yes, next Origins there will be a France '40 game.
    >Making the reservation<
    Karl
    It is impossible for a man to begin to learn what he thinks he knows. -- Epictetus

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    Fantastic paint job. Can't wait to get together again and see them in action.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teaticket View Post
    Thanks guys.

    Yes, next Origins there will be a France '40 game.


    that should be interesting!

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