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Thread: Series 7 preliminary lineup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oberst Hajj View Post
    But then would everyone be content to get ET or PT minis just every other year?? I think not. lol

    There is no way for them to win the "release war" with customers.
    Let's not forget the Eastern Front either. Obviously not as popular as the Pacific or BoB, there are still aircraft worth having from that theater of operation. I hope Ares will throw us the occasional bone from that theater in the future. I know I wouldn't mind a Strumovik or Mig-3 to, or even a Pe-2 to go with the Yak and lend-lease Hurricane.

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    I don't think we'll see Russians or Italians so soon agian.

    Main focus is on ALLIES versus Germany & Japan.

    To be honest I don't want Russians and Italians "at the moment" before the most wanted Allied and German/Japanese planes are in production. Lucky me, because I'm in the midst of the actual mainstream.

    But I don't complain neither if they release WW II planes outside the actual mainstream.
    Voilą le soleil d'Austerlitz!

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    Just saw this and I do like the Corsair and P-38 for sure. The other two not sure about but will get to have a complete set. I have to agree with Rafal about other selections. Still hoping for the Dauntless and Kate. Russian I-16's would also be great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobP View Post
    J...Russian I-16's would also be great.
    Now you ask, when I just ordered Rattas at Shapeways

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jager View Post
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    AMEN Brother But then we'd need new faster rules (still thinking this one out; maybe something this fall )
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    Karl
    I knew You will react! I understand very well your passion for Pfeil. May be it was only an experiment, but bloody interesting

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    Very nice choice of planes

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobP View Post
    .... Still hoping for the Dauntless and Kate. Russian I-16's would also be great.
    See series 6 for the upcoming Dauntless bombers.

    http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/sho...p-coming-minis
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marechallannes View Post
    I don't think we'll see Russians or Italians so soon agian.
    Seems so, although I'm bit disappointed. I'd like to recreate biggest aviation battles with WGS and it would be nice to focus on that purpose. And take a look at Kursk'43 for instance, the air forces involved there are comparable in numbers to the numbers involved in BoB. Moscow'41 and Stalingrad'42-43 involved a lot of planes as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by Marechallannes View Post
    Main focus is on ALLIES versus Germany & Japan.
    Not even that. I'd say that late war european theatre is the focus. If you think about Japan we do not have Army figthers like Nates (over 3000 produced) or Oscars (close to 6000 produced). Neither Bettys (2500 produced) nor Lillys (2000 produced) are available for bombing missions. The same problem goes for early- and mid-war allied aircrafts on Pacific theatre, we have only P40E (although B & C versions were more common during early War on Pacific), but no Brewster Buffalo, Curtiss Hawk, P-39 Airacobra. Good that Dautless is coming, so Battle of Coral Sea and Midway are available at hand

    I'm really big fan of Ares and I want to support them buing their products. But how many K-44 or Me-410 will you buy? Perhaps a pair each? I'd like to have that many Oscars only! And now take Airacobra or I-16. If I think how many versions I'd like to have (even with some repainting involved) for Airacobra I go for 4 on east front (2 summer and 2 winter versions) and 2-3 on Pacific. Even more goes for I-16, as I'd like to cover Spanish Civil War (2-3 planes), Nomonhan Incident, Winter War'39 and Barbarossa (3 summer & 3 winter planes) and some China War (say 2 planes). So my counter goes to 10 planes of just I-16 model.

  9. #59

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    We have Zeros, 3 versions of KI-61, Aichi Val dive bombers and KI-84 for Japan.

    Soon we'll have the Judy bomber and with series 7 the Ki-44. Not bad for a Pacific scenario.
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    I decided to source some essential (for me) WWII models outside ARES. AIM (Mc 200, Fiat Br-20, Kawasaki Lily, Hs 129, Airacobra, Fw-190A) and Shapeways (PZL P-11, PZL P-24, I-16, Bf 109F/G, Spitfire V trop). Now have 2-6 of each of them, some are ready, some on the workbench. EF and MED theatres are supplied.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marechallannes View Post
    We have Zeros, 3 versions of KI-61, Aichi Val dive bombers and KI-84 for Japan.

    Soon we'll have the Judy bomber and with series 7 the Ki-44. Not bad for a Pacific scenario.
    Very true, Sven. That gives already a choice for Pacific. Nevertheless there're more common aircrafts waiting in the queue, that's my point.

    Anyway, I shouldn't have complained at any release. It's better to have more minis to choose from, after all I'm just big fan of early&mid war scenarios, as you can see.

  12. #62

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    I want to have every plane in WW2 that fought, so... every plane Ares produces is a good plane.
    I can't wait years for all planes being produced so I'll look for planes in other planes until Ares produces them and then I'll buy a few.
    Dauntless are coming, meanwhile I already have two... That's life. Would I prefer other planes to be produced before the Me-410? I would, but won't I use it in the skies over Portugal when finally the little bird reaches my hands? Oh yes, I will...

    So just enjoy the knowledge that our ww2 hobby is alive and well and start dreaming about what to do with them.

  13. #63

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    With each release we have that much more variety and ability to recreate battles. Give us 2-3 release a year, and it won't be too long until some of those holes in our line ups start filling in. In a year like this where the Hevies have taken up so much time and resources, it is hard to remember how much product Ares has released for this game in such a short period of time! Keep 'me coming Ares and I will happily keep buying.

  14. #64

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oberst Hajj View Post
    Battle of Britain will be addressed between the Series 6 and Series 7 releases. It was intended to come out before 6, but is still in the works now... were S6 models are "nearly done".
    "Nearly done" is that the series 6 prototypes or the actual series 6 retail models? Is it safe to assume we will see series 6 in the Spring 2015? Is late Winter 2015 possible? Any idea on the finalized pilots and paint schemes? Perhaps, this is all information slated to be annouced after the Heavies hit retail. Just know, we are very interested to know what comes next and very "broadly" when!

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    I'm pretty sure the Heavies is all we are going to see this year. In one of my previous posts, I'm pretty sure I mentioned they are shooting for a May-ish release for Series 6.... so late spring or early summer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oberst Hajj View Post
    I'm pretty sure the Heavies is all we are going to see this year. In one of my previous posts, I'm pretty sure I mentioned they are shooting for a May-ish release for Series 6.... so late spring or early summer.
    Considering we are in mid October already, I would doubt another release this year would be feasible this year. I must have missed the other post about the May/June release of series six, sorry about that Boss! May/June sounds great, but if what you say is tru and we get two more WGS releases in 2015, that is going to make for a very expensive second half of 2015, especially if they somehow make a fourth release for WGS fit in there as well! Oh well, keep 'em coming!

  17. #67

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    Still no Mosquito.... I just don't understand ARES on that one

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    A Mossie is cool, but I see no need it for "at the moment".

    We still have no rules for night fight. (So we have to wait for the He.219, too. )

    For special operations like ground attack, anti-ship attack, there's the Beaufighter at the moment. A nice RAF two engine bird with a powerful punch.
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    here is something I'm learning from this beautiful game:
    The USSR didn't fight on WW2
    even more: it is not like it disappeared in 1991... it may never have existed at all!

    Will we ever seen a Lavochkin La-7? not to mention a lyushin Il-2?

    Love the Corsair though

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gallo Rojo View Post
    here is something I'm learning from this beautiful game:
    The USSR didn't fight on WW2
    even more: it is not like it disappeared in 1991... it may never have existed at all!
    That's to counterweight all the people who insist the Soviet Bunion won the war all by itself. >;)

    Honestly: The problem with the Eastern Front is its complete separation from the Western Front -- one can build Me-109s from now until the time_ts wrap around, but one is forced to choose between "West" and "East". Heck, one can get away with "Pacific Theatre" Western units in Europe -- the British used Hellcats and Corsairs in Europe, if not in huge numbers -- but one cannot have P-51s and Yak-9s fighting alongside each other (tho' there's scenario where they fight *against* each other in Europe, but no one likes to talk about that >:) ). So then one has to ask "which is going to sell better?".
    Last edited by csadn; 10-15-2014 at 15:17.

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    Oh, do not wind me up about the Evil Empire... LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gallo Rojo View Post
    here is something I'm learning from this beautiful game:
    The USSR didn't fight on WW2
    Quote Originally Posted by csadn View Post
    That's to counterweight all the people who insist the Soviet Bunion won the war all by itself. >
    The USSR didn't win the WW2 all by itself... it just defeated about 80% of the German Army by itself


    Quote Originally Posted by Gallo Rojo View Post
    Honestly: The problem with the Eastern Front is its complete separation from the Western Front (...) So then one has to ask "which is going to sell better?".
    I don't think that is the problem with the Eastern Front
    Seriously: how many Hellcats and Corsairs fought on Europe?
    I think the problem is that Ares is focusing on the US and Western Europe market (that is were most of the buyers are I'm guessing), and hence they focus mostly on US equipment (and British to a lesser extent) ... and of course you need some Japanese planes as mobil targets.
    If Russia and Eastern Europe were the main target market, then we would have seen lost of Soviet aircrafts already.
    I've seen the similar results in almost every wargame I've played. And I've played quite a few.

    ps: I think that, unfortunately, we only will see Soviet planes when (if ever) WoG moves to the Jet-Era ... and even then we probably have a Jet-Era series 1 of F86 Sabre, F-84 Thunderjet, F9F Panther... and a MiG-15
    Last edited by Gallo Rojo; 10-16-2014 at 09:19.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gallo Rojo View Post
    I think the problem is that Ares is focusing on the US and Western Europe market (that is were most of the buyers are I'm guessing)
    Ares stated at one point that the US makes up about 60% of it's market. So, that is indeed why the game is a little US imbalanced

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diamondback View Post
    Oh, do not wind me up about the Evil Empire... LOL
    Games Workshop are taking over Ares?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gallo Rojo View Post
    The USSR didn't win the WW2 all by itself... it just defeated about 80% of the German Army by itself




    I don't think that is the problem with the Eastern Front
    Seriously: how many Hellcats and Corsairs fought on Europe?
    I think the problem is that Ares is focusing on the US and Western Europe market (that is were most of the buyers are I'm guessing), and hence they focus mostly on US equipment (and British to a lesser extent) ... and of course you need some Japanese planes as mobil targets.
    If Russia and Eastern Europe were the main target market, then we would have seen lost of Soviet aircrafts already.
    I've seen the similar results in almost every wargame I've played. And I've played quite a few.

    ps: I think that, unfortunately, we only will see Soviet planes when (if ever) WoG moves to the Jet-Era ... and even then we probably have a Jet-Era series 1 of F86 Sabre, F-84 Thunderjet, F9F Panther... and a MiG-15
    I am the last person to be considered as a USSR war effort fan and supporter, nor I am an Eastern Front fan, but air warfare over the EF is vastly underestimated and not known sufficiently. The WGS gaming possibilities are (IMHO) much better than the Western European theatre offers, for many reasons:
    1. a greater variety of planes involved (including British and American LL types),
    2. longer period of air activity (not just BoB, channel front and Air War over Germany),
    3. one side plays the underdog (Soviet Forces) in the beginning, then slowly evolves into a superior one in numbers,
    4. a greater variety of possible historical missions (ground attacks, to mention just one),
    5. winter/summer conditions that can be modelled in the game scenarios.

    I know I am not the only one to think that way. Honzo?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oberst Hajj View Post
    Ares stated at one point that the US makes up about 60% of it's market. So, that is indeed why the game is a little US imbalanced
    I'm actually ok with a little bit of US imbalance... and I like very much the idea of the Pacific and the NA/Med theaters taking very much into account (I would love seeing more Italian planes, specially a SM-79 eventually)... but we're talking about Series 7 already and the only truly Soviet fighter we've got was the Yak-1 (plus the infamous Soviet Hawker Hurricane... I would'd loved a Soviet P-40).
    Isn't time for a La-7 or something already? I'm not afraid of matching a La-7 vs a P-51
    And if there isn't a Il-2 in the next Dive-Bombers set I will be really really sad

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marechallannes View Post
    A Mossie is cool, but I see no need it for "at the moment"..
    Them's fighting words
    Run for your life - there are stupid people everywhere!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gallo Rojo View Post
    I'm actually ok with a little bit of US imbalance... and I like very much the idea of the Pacific and the NA/Med theaters taking very much into account (I would love seeing more Italian planes, specially a SM-79 eventually)... but we're talking about Series 7 already and the only truly Soviet fighter we've got was the Yak-1 (plus the infamous Soviet Hawker Hurricane... I would'd loved a Soviet P-40).
    Isn't time for a La-7 or something already? I'm not afraid of matching a La-7 vs a P-51
    And if there isn't a Il-2 in the next Dive-Bombers set I will be really really sad
    The other thing holding back more Soviet planes is their lack of sales. Here in the US you can pick the Yak and Russian Hurricane minis up in just about any game shop for big discounts... in fact, those series is one of the reasons WGS had such a poor start and is not played more here in the US

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oberst Hajj View Post
    The other thing holding back more Soviet planes is their lack of sales. Here in the US you can pick the Yak and Russian Hurricane minis up in just about any game shop for big discounts... in fact, those series is one of the reasons WGS had such a poor start and is not played more here in the US
    This would not be true of Italian planes, though. I mean, everyone wishes they were Italian, no?
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    Quote Originally Posted by David Manley View Post
    Games Workshop are taking over Ares?
    Something wrong with your priorities if you think Games Whackjob is more evil than the Soviet Union, amigo... Props to MI6 for keeping Lenin's global-revolution ambitions from Going Viral back in the day, though--the library I work out of just got a book about that op and my favorite naughty librarian friend made sure I got first crack at it.

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    Geez, lighten up already

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    Hence the razzberry...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diamondback View Post
    Hence the razzberry...
    Would that be a series 7 raspberry then?




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    And now back to the original topic....

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    Hmm I wouldn't blame the low sales of that series on the Yak.. Every single one of that series sold badly. I think the p40 sold the best, but even that is still fairly easy to find today. Honestly, the Japanese planes seem to always sell slowly. even the Zero's are sell for the same on ebay as they were at launch. I think if Ares is factoring in that series as an indicator of bad sales its an unfair appraisal. Another factor that held it back was you could only get 1 of the minis of each if you bought the starter set, which is now sold out everywhere and was expensive to ship around the world if you missed out in your country. Plus to get that Yak in that set you had to buy 3 other minis you probably didn't want.

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    Like anything, if you get one good sale of a type, the back catalogue of similar types will pick up in sales. I bet if some Lavochkins or Migs or a sturmovik was released the Yaks would sell out world wide in days.

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    I reckon they should release a purely eastern front release. 4 planes, Some serious catchup.
    Sturmovik
    Lavochkin La-5
    petlyakov Pe 2 or Mig 3
    FW190a

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    I would also love to see some stukas with anti tank cannons and winter camo.
    It IS nice that we got the winter camo Heinkel.. I know not where that unit was actually used though. Was it Eastern Front?

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    So, technically what separates a Ju87B/R from a D/G? G is IIRC basically just a D with cannon gondolas strapped on...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xen View Post
    Hmm I wouldn't blame the low sales of that series on the Yak.. Every single one of that series sold badly. I think the p40 sold the best, but even that is still fairly easy to find today. Honestly, the Japanese planes seem to always sell slowly. even the Zero's are sell for the same on ebay as they were at launch. I think if Ares is factoring in that series as an indicator of bad sales its an unfair appraisal. Another factor that held it back was you could only get 1 of the minis of each if you bought the starter set, which is now sold out everywhere and was expensive to ship around the world if you missed out in your country. Plus to get that Yak in that set you had to buy 3 other minis you probably didn't want.
    You are right, all of Series 3 were poor sellers. But my comment was about the Yak and Hurricane as a group. Both those minis were the poorest sellers of their Series to my knowledge. In fact, I've only sold 15 Yak-1 minis (both pilots combined) in two years. The other planes are not much better, but the Hill P-40 sold out worldwide sometime in 2013 and the Lott followed suit sometime this year. Compare that with only two of the P-51D minis selling 37 in just a few months. In fact, I've sold one less P-51D (all three pilots combined) in a couple of months than I have all of Series 3 minis combined in almost two years.

    Heck, in the same time frame, I've sold 31 more Bf.110s then all of Series 3 combined. Man, Series 3 was really bad

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    And now I'm starting to worry about supply lines on three more Doolittle B-25s for a special project... one of the Raiders is a neighbor, and I'm still thinking about re-marking a Doolittle and asking someone here to make up custom plane and crew-management cards so I can present him a custom miniature of his old bird. (Why do I need three? One stock Doolittle for the memory of his old boss... and a second repaint for myself, which I'm hoping to get him to sign the card for.)

  42. #92

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    Hey DB,

    Sue is willing to help with the custom card.

    Her username is ling.
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    Thanks, both of you--this project is a concept at this point, it's going to depend on if I can get nose-art references. (Or find my old Accurate Miniatures Doolittle B-25 kit's decal sheet and see about high-res scanning and resizing it...)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jager View Post
    Interesting lineup: the Me.410 is certainly an odd choice. Did they think they needed an Axis plane with 2 engines to match the P-38
    Karl
    I'd bet money on that!! An N1K George or a Fw-190A would have been better choices.
    Jim Y

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7eat51 View Post
    This would not be true of Italian planes, though. I mean, everyone wishes they were Italian, no?


    i dont know about that weve got a couple of the italian planes at our store and no ones ever expressed any interest in even looking at them let alone buying them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by milcoll73 View Post
    i dont know about that weve got a couple of the italian planes at our store and no ones ever expressed any interest in even looking at them let alone buying them.
    Which Italian planes are they Phillip?
    Rob.
    "Courage is the art of being the only one who knows you're scared to death."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flying Officer Kyte View Post
    Which Italian planes are they Phillip?
    Rob.
    both of the Reggiane Re.2001 Falco IIs and an RSI Dewoitine D.520 (Stella).

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    Quote Originally Posted by milcoll73 View Post
    both of the Reggiane Re.2001 Falco IIs and an RSI Dewoitine D.520 (Stella).
    The next question is will your store ship abroad Phillip, as I would love to get my hands on a Stella.
    Rob.
    "Courage is the art of being the only one who knows you're scared to death."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diamondback View Post
    And now I'm starting to worry about supply lines on three more Doolittle B-25s for a special project... one of the Raiders is a neighbor, and I'm still thinking about re-marking a Doolittle and asking someone here to make up custom plane and crew-management cards so I can present him a custom miniature of his old bird. (Why do I need three? One stock Doolittle for the memory of his old boss... and a second repaint for myself, which I'm hoping to get him to sign the card for.)
    I've got 6 in stock right now and as of Sept 9 2014 they were not sold out at the Ares level.

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    Two versions of the Tojo:

    Ki-44-II Otsu (Ki-44-IIb)
    Standard armament reduced to just two 12.7 mm (.50 in) Ho-103 machine guns in the nose. Optional provision for two 40 mm (1.57 in) Ho-301 cannons in the wings. These were not always installed and due to disappointing combat results once installed they were sometimes removed again and two 12.7 mm (.50 in) Ho-103 machine guns mounted in their place. This variant still had the Type 89 telescopic gunsight as standard. 394 produced (s/n 1356-1749).

    Ki-44-II Hei (Ki-44-IIc)
    Standard armament of four 12.7 mm (.50 in) Ho-103 machine guns, two in the nose and two in the wings. Type 100 reflector gunsight mounted as standard. 427 produced (s/n 1750-2176).


    Will the Ki-44-IIb have only 2xMGs or will we see the version with the additional 4cm cannons?
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