I'd be very happy with a reprint or new green variiant of the He111, as having only just started the game with the BoB starter, It's an obvious next buy but the green ones just aren't available for sensible prices.
I'd be very happy with a reprint or new green variiant of the He111, as having only just started the game with the BoB starter, It's an obvious next buy but the green ones just aren't available for sensible prices.
Has anyone had much luck repainting the white HE111's?
Do you think we get with WGS series 7 squadron packs for the planes, or 3 different miniatures?
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I vote for Squadron packs with the possibility to customize 16 different Corsairs. I know at least one person who wants that many... More importantly, the Corsairs need to be printed on dark blue plastic to avoid the light edge issue of the BoB set.
The P-38 has some different looks that would benefit from alternate printed versions but as long as they get made correctly and at a high quality standard then any format is welcome. Maybe a Special Lightning+Betty scenario pack!
It's an interesting question as to whether squadron packs are the way to go for the F4U; the Navy and Marine Corps did have a 'no nose art' policy that some outfits ignored but most obeyed, and many Marine squadrons, including VMF-214, didn't assign individual aircraft to pilots--the most famous Black Sheep Corsair is probably White 86/'Lulubelle,' but she was painted that way for a photo op, and it's highly unlikely that Greg Boyington or any other VMF-214 pilot flew her in combat with those markings. The rest of the squadron's aircraft just had their number in white on the fuselage sides, and when talking about Black Sheep Corsairs, historians and researchers usually describe the F4Us as 'often flown by' or 'believed to by flown by _ on this mission.' There were exceptions to the no nose art rule, of course--Tommy Blackburn's Navy VF-17 (the Jolly Rogers), among others, springs to mind--but I'm not sure that a Corsair squadron pack that doesn't feature VMF-214 is what players want to see.
Last edited by DarrylH; 05-22-2017 at 20:41.
Darryl, Other than Lulubelle are there any of the F4U versions you mention that would need more than decals to modify them? If not then a nice decal sheet with numbers, letters and a few nose art pieces are all that would be needed.
Surely Ares could do a combo of both!! 3 paint schemes, with 1 being a squadron pack.
I actually really missed the extra paint schemes with the BOB stuff.
I like the different paint schemes, but think the squadron idea is good as well.
I prefer the different paint schemes to the squadron packs. Hoping to see a Black Sheep Corsair and Jolly Rodgers and then maybe a RNZAF or RAAF one would be cool. That would be in line with their Dauntless release.
Aside from the Jolly Rogers (and VF-27's Hellcats on the Princeton), Scott, there weren't too many Navy or Marine squadrons that broke the no nose art policy as a unit, rather than on an individual basis, so a single decal sheet could conceivably portray VMF-214, VF-17, and other Corsairs. The big thing for me is the tape on the cowling often used to stop oil leaks--Tommy Blackburn said that for VF-17, the patterns used varied from day to day, so having three or four different decals for that would be nice.
I think 3 - 4 different decals for a F4U Jolly Roger Squadron are possible.
There are variations possible with numbers, victory markings, white stripes on the engine's hood.
But a Jolly Roger squad pack would prevent a Boyington mini.
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For the P 38 I really want Bong & Mc Guire!
I'm not that demanding in new WGS series, but this time I would be really dissappointed If we do not get them both.
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I see the 410 picture is gone. Is it off the lineup?
Does anyone here know if the combo of 1x Squadron pack + 2x unique paint designs is a realistic proposition?
I hope that they do pappy boyington's F4u-1a
Is there a rough release date for these?
I am thinking of starting a WGS: Series 8 preliminary lineup thread just because past performance would indicate a 2021 release date for that set if I start it now.
I need to come up with a 4 plane set though... DH.98 Mosquito, PBY-5A Catalina, G4M1 Betty, Me 264.
Ares has never issued a four twin-engined expansion before. Mosquito - definitely, Betty - yes; I would say that the others are more problematic, the Catalina because of fitting it into game play and the Me262 because of its speed. I suggest the Douglas Boston and the Ju88 in place of those two.
I don't really think they would produce those four either. Mine was a fantasy wish list like the starter box variations someone posted awhile back. Fun to think about but never going to happen.
Not "Me 262" -- Me 264: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messerschmitt_Me_264 .
Not "Me 262" -- Me 264: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messerschmitt_Me_264 .
Now with the latest WGF release out of the way, hopefully we start getting drip fed some bits of info regarding the next WGS wave.
I think bombers were next in line if I remember correctly?
I really hope for some news about the WGS 7 series.
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Ares did reprint the Gotha's/Caproni's really quickly after they sold out the first time, I guess they must have been super hot sellers as I don't know of any other release that got a reprint pushed ahead of a standard schedule. If only the Eastern Front HE111 had sold out as fast as the rare one, they may have treated it differently.
It really does feel incomplete without a bomber hey.
Do we have any news on new bombers? I would prefer them to push some new BOB bombers ahead of this series 7 release to be honest. (JU88? Do 17? Blenheim?) I know people are chomping at the bit for Corsairs, but the momentum in Australia is with the Battle of Britain. Sales are actually going pretty well, I've delivered over 80 starter sets to board game stores, and most stores are reordering now. There would be people who have obtained them other ways as well of course. So thats potentially 80 new players into the game, who have no need (yet!) for Corsairs/lightnings/Oscars/Me410.
Not to mention all the new players into the game that other countries have had.
Its actually been really interesting to observe that MOST of the people buying starter sets are new to the game. Old hands are buying the squadron packs, given that the starter sets rules contain no real updates.
Last edited by Xen; 07-22-2017 at 23:41.
Well seeing as the Ki-44 was never in the New Gunnie theater that one I will give a miss the P-38's and the Me410 are on the list but I am not sure about the Cousair other than it would be nice to have one.
I believe NZ had some Corsairs in PNG at Bougainville at some stage
Ares will need to balance between what new players and ones who have collections want, and more importantly, will want to purchase. If they do only one release in 2017 and it is all BoB reprints then I will save for series 7. Now, the Mosquito would change that scenario significantly, and I would need to look at creating a prison target.
In my opinion the next thing Ares needs to do is fill the massive holes in the WW2 order of battle. From early 1941 (Messerschmitt Bf 109E-4) to late 1944 (Fw 190D & Me 109K) the Luftwaffe currently has no front line fighters available as 'official' releases. The Bf 109F, Fw 190A and Bf 109G are desperately needed. Likewise the RAF has nothing official between the Spitfire Mk.II (late 1940-early 1941) and the Spitfire Mk.IX (late 1942) so bring on the Spitfire Mk.V. That aircraft served in the front line from 1941 to 1943 over the Channel, North Africa, Russia and the Pacific with a number of air forces - RAF, RCAF, RAAF, Soviet, US Eagle Squadrons and more.
Bombers are also required for the Japanese Air Force and Navy, RAF & Commonwealth early war, Soviets, French and Italians. As far as bombers are concerned if Ares was looking for one type to fill multiple slots I would suggest the Douglas DB-7/Boston/A-20 Havoc which served in the USAAF, the Soviet Air Force and Navy Aviation, the RAF, RAAF, the French air forces (Armee del'Air, Free French and Vichy France), RSAF, and the Dutch Air Force. Talk about killing a bunch of birds with one stone.
Last edited by Carl_Brisgamer; 07-23-2017 at 01:04.
My oppinion is that it will be better to stick to BoB or Late war, but have all of them available all the time. IMHO we need the most Russian planes. La-5 or Il-2.
I have to disagree Dan. I believe one of the strengths of Wings of Glory is the game lends itself easily to campaign play. A big hole in the mid-war period means campaign players are forced to buy aircraft from other sources - good for those companies producing those miniatures but not so good for Ares as they miss out on that money. I am not saying that Ares needs to make EVERY aircraft but they should make a few types to span the mid-war years, not just 1939-40 then 1944-45.
I do agree about the Russian planes though as they fall into that same mid war hole. Did you see my 'wishlist' Kursk set? - http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/sho...d-Set-Concepts
Last edited by Carl_Brisgamer; 07-23-2017 at 05:41.
Exactly what I think.
Those iconic US planes P38 and Vought F4U Corsair will get us some new impulses from the US Market.
Some still availabele Ki84 Franks, the Judys and the new Japanese Ki44 fighter will deliver us some cannonfodder.
The Ki-44 are good to fight intruding USAAF heavy bombers, too.
Next wave, the BF.109G and the FW190A would be nice.
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Exactly. There is a different focus around WWII between the US and European markets that needs attention. For example, there was a disconnect around which Dauntless versions were produced.
A nuance about connecting WWII with today's US market that I hope Ares understands is that many people in the US do not view the Russians as allies, in fact quite the opposite, many of us consider them an enemy. With the current state of things in mind, releasing a set like the one proposed above is going to be received as no allies (despite the status of Russia during the war). People on this site from the US might buy the set above. However, not including the US or Britain in a boxed set will sell worse among the general US population than a French Dauntless (aka Banshee).
I still think the best way to sell a Betty would be in a box set with x2 P-38s and a Zero and marketed as "Operation Vengeance".
At Historicon I talked with the woman at the ARES booth and I think she said BoB is the only release this year. I did mention that they could make some early war/SCW planes. Also some more bombers, torpedo planes and booster packs of planes that they could release in the future. Some the planes in the booster packs NEXUS did were later released. She told me that as soon as the dealer area opened up their first customer bought all 8 B-17's that they had. The Lancaster's were still there. Main reason I think is because the Brits bombed at night so you would have to make your own rules for night fighting. Also the dam buster Lanc has very limited use. Iconic planes but not like the B-17's you see more often.
I hope Ares manages to squeeze out another WGS release this year. Battle of Britain has generated a lot of interest but to keep momentum going another set in Q4 2017 would be well timed.
*sadness*
I want a La-5 or a La-7, an Il-2 and a Fw-190A really badly
I also want an SM-79
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