Series 3 re-print, any word about which Albatros D.III we will see?
Cheers!
I'm about to re-paint a couple of Albatros D.III I have... but I don't want to end up repainting an old mini of which it won't be a re-print, only to find out that my re-painting ends up being a plane that is covered on the official release
So, is it any idea about which Albatros D.III are we going to see with the Series 3 Reprint?
I take for granted that Brumowski's one will be there... but what about the two new ones?
I wouldn't be surprised if Ares yanked the rug out from under you by replacing Brumowski with YET ANOTHER MvR. LOL
Don't be cruel, DB. I'm sure that Brumowski will be the scheme that gets repeated.Originally Posted by Diamondback
Karl
It is impossible for a man to begin to learn what he thinks he knows. -- Epictetus
I rather expect Voss' one to be repeated and the two Austrians replaced. They are more a niche scenario and after all Werner Voss is Werner Voss!
Though of course I expect to see an all-red D.III again
Karl, I'm not being cruel, just cynical. Part of me is surprised they haven't tried an MvR D.VII yet, going by some of the disturbing omens I've seen on other lines...
The person who brings a "MvR D.VII" to my table gets a folding chair upside his head.
Folding chair? WUSS. I'm busting out the Dimensional Lumber and commencing Wall To Wall Counseling IAW AFI 36-106 [link] or FM 22-102 [link].
I guess it's whichever sold out first the first time around, then.I rather expect Voss' one to be repeated and the two Austrians replaced. They are more a niche scenario and after all Werner Voss is Werner Voss!
Though of course I expect to see an all-red D.III again
Karl
It is impossible for a man to begin to learn what he thinks he knows. -- Epictetus
I take a small offence to that, since a MvR repainted D.VII is on the schedule here. I feel it's a valid what-if.
Now, if someone were to bring that to an open gaming table, with all of RvM's perceived ace abilities, then yes, a good whack upside the head is in order
Karl
It is impossible for a man to begin to learn what he thinks he knows. -- Epictetus
i think an MVR dVII would be AWESOME for a what if scenario. you know if hed have lived hed have recieved one. now if youre talking a campaign thats another story. if its just a friendly 1 night game whats it matter? its not like all the red paints going to make the user a better pilot and, more probably, will simply draw more fire.
I agree with the other posts another MvR plane is the last thing we need particularly when there are a lot of other German aces to choise from.
We discussed the "what if" mission during our last game session - once a year it could be fun, but not regularly.
But there is a possibility to play Lothar's D.VII:
PS: Sorry for offtopic, Ezekiel - I am sure Brumowski is the most probably choice (about 60 $ on eBay three years ago).
"I'm not cynical. Just experienced."
Mike
"Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss" Douglas Adams
"Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59
I prefer Voss.
I guess a fair question is how much the D.III in Brumowski scheme is popular because it is Brumowski, and how much it is popular because it is an MvR scheme in all but name? Although the skull is very cool, no doubt!
I would not be surprised to see an all-red MvR D.III and it would probably sell very well. Just sayin'...
Remove Lothar's personal markings, and you have MvR's DVII. As I understand it, MvR only tested a DVII...it would be a 'factory fresh' early DVII w/the streaked camo fuselage.We discussed the "what if" mission during our last game session - once a year it could be fun, but not regularly.
But there is a possibility to play Lothar's D.VII:
PS: Sorry for offtopic, Ezekiel - I am sure Brumowski is the most probably choice (about 60 $ on eBay three years ago).
Or am I mistaken?
I am sure people bought Brumowski's plane not because it was the famous Godwin Brumowski (the likely reaction for mentioning his name by vastly most gamer is certainly "who???"), but because its red.
The skull helped, im sure. But a MvR albatros is really missing yet.
I think its MvR or Brumowski. Two red D.III in the same series isn't good.
I would like to see three new aircraft.
Ezekiel, I suppose you could order a 1/144 scale Albatross D.III from colinwe on Shapeways. That way you aren't painting over a miniature that could turn out to be rare. (Colinwe' models have Wings of Glory compatible pegs on their bellies if I'm not mistaken.)Cheers!
I'm about to re-paint a couple of Albatros D.III I have... but I don't want to end up repainting an old mini of which it won't be a re-print, only to find out that my re-painting ends up being a plane that is covered on the official release
So, is it any idea about which Albatros D.III are we going to see with the Series 3 Reprint?
I take for granted that Brumowski's one will be there... but what about the two new ones?
http://www.shapeways.com/model/40598...l?materialId=6
my interest was all about the skull. i really like skulls.
id also like to see 3 new a/cfor EACH reprint. but i understand ares reasons for keeping a good seller in the lineup. whatever they choose it will new a/c
I think that is not problem - remember Siemens-Schuckert D.III - two almost identical camouflages (no problem for me, just pointing).
DIII's are a chance to bring attractive, well selling designs to the market
I would like to point out that the Wings of War (now Wings of Glory) model of Brumowsi's plane, simply looked astounding, in the box, with only a top view to see. Anyone into models would have bought that straight away, even if they did not know anything about WWI. Also the general vague perception about there being red aeroplane from the First War (in the general public), must also have played a role, as mentioned above by others. The name I think in this case hardly plays a role.
The immediately breathtaking view in the box, cannot be said for many other planes from the Wings of War original range. (Snipes do not look good in the box, but once you get one out..). I am of the opinion that pilot names play no role in the general public's mind when buying a mini plane. (Unlress you write Red Baron) Of course for those very interested in the hobby, the names are known, but for them the reasons for buying a plane are manifold.
If Ares's main customers are WWI specialists, or model collectors who just collect Richthofen planes in any scale, then it is a good economic decision to produce planes of the aces. However, if the majority of customers are people who buy a plane primarily because it looks good (a) in the box (b) in photos and (c) when you have it on the table, then the reprint of the Albatros DIII lends itself to choosing those amazingly attractive designs of the original DIII's flown by other pilots.
If Ares plays it's cards right (no pun
I actually got to hold a boxed Brumowski in a shop a few years ago. Because I had gone there to buy two other specific planes I in the end left without taking it, (money was tight). I of course went straight back the next day for the must-have beautiful model, but as you guessed, it was gone to be never seen again.
I do not like the look of the Richtoven DIII. However I would really love to buy a Brumowski (The re-paint model has been waiting for years). I hope the other two are just two of those most breathtaking or pretty designs out there.
I agree with you completely.
I'd like to finally see any of the Czech pilots in Albatros D.III. Much better in Oeffag version.
Although I have Brumowski and I don't need another, I suppose that he will be one of the reprints.
I think you are correct, but it would have been a "short fuselage" DVII. The upshot of the fighter competition was that the "DVII" would be a real winner, in a league of its own, if the fuselage of the test plane was lengthened - that is what was done, and thus the production DVII was born.
As for the paint scheme - That is actually Aloys Heldmann's DVII, which Lothar is reported to have "borrowed" on a few occasions! The AH (Aloys Heldmann?) monogram on the top wing is now thought to be a mistake, and actually a patch of repaired fabric on the original photograph.
Couldn't resist having a crack at this one myself!
LMAO!
I also wold rather seen Werner's Albatros D.III instead of Brumowsky's... but Ares' policy so far has been re-printing the best-selling mini from the original series together with two new ones. And the best selling Albatros D.III from Series 3 was Bromowsky'sI rather expect Voss' one to be repeated and the two Austrians replaced. They are more a niche scenario and after all Werner Voss is Werner Voss!
Though of course I expect to see an all-red D.III again
So I'm actually wonderign which ones would be the two new schemes
I'm planning on buying lots fot those Alb.D.III and I'll most certanly re-paint one after MvR's one since I would like having at least 6 Jasta 11 D.IIIs... but I'm also planning on re-painting a good deal of Austro-Hungarian Albatros D.III
But the two new-ones I would love seeing are these two:
That red and white Barber's pole would certainly get my vote.
Sure to draw a lot of attention.
Rob.
"Courage is the art of being the only one who knows you're scared to death."
That red and white Barber's pole would certainly get my vote.
Sure to draw a lot of attention.
Rob.
i like that one!
Reading up the recent posts here makes me think of how the average customer does their choices on buying the planes.
I think MvR is simply a name (and paint scheme) which draws the most attention. Even if somebody has little to no idea about ww1 air combat, the name Red Baron somehow stuck. its a name which made it into the public conscience. After all even the starwars guys make red miniature tie fighters!
About other paint schemes - I began to wonder of the way the minis are boxed really do them justice.
You can basically only see the top side of the plane and bits of the fuselage. So the top wing is a big selling point - if you assume many customers haven't seen the pictures on the WOG site and/or don't know the paint schemes). If the first impression fails, people might pass on it
A full transparent packaging as many action figures, and yes, the SW minis too, have today might give them more justice. And the minis really dont need to hide themselves. the overall quality is very good. And since the the SW-guys "borrowed" the game idea from WOG, why not borrow their packaging?
Edit: the red/white stripes D.III looks indeed lovely and would totally work as miniature!
Last edited by Du doch nicht!; 10-02-2014 at 15:37.
Bjorn, one problem with that is extra packaging--every cubic inch of additional package is that many LESS minis per case, carton or shipping container, and thus higher shipping costs. Which in turn mean higher price to us the End Users...
And then you get into those of us with storage space limits that have not yet settled on a bigger case...
F-toys did produce a 1/144 scale MvR Albatros D.III model, if you can find one. It was not red all over.
They also produced Herman Goring's Albatros D.III and the 'Blue Mouse'.
I like the red & white striped one.
I'm also looking more for distinctive, colorful on the table, and different than what we already have. Skip the Frommherz and MvR, and give me that red & white striped one!
The red/white striped Albatross D.III belonged to Oblt Josef Loeser of Jasta39
I think it's a very interesting choice not only because of the eye catching painting scheme, but also because Jasta 39 was a German Fighter Sqd flying in the Italian Front
Actually I started this thread because I'm planning to re-paint one of my Albatross D.III after Loeser's Red/White bird... but I don't want to do all that work only to find out that Ares releases an official mini just like this one two years from now -- that already happened to me
Another pic
i think they could accomplish a lot by simply switching to a clear plastic tray for the a/c and cards. the a/c wouldnt be as visible as an al clear package but it would be an improvement and ares wouldnt have to change the outer packaging or its "footprint" at all.Reading up the recent posts here makes me think of how the average customer does their choices on buying the planes.
I think MvR is simply a name (and paint scheme) which draws the most attention. Even if somebody has little to know idea about ww1 air combat, the name Red Baron somehow stuck. its a name which made it into the public conscience. After all even the starwars guys make red miniature tie fighters!
About other paint schemes - I began to wonder of the way the minis are boxed really do them justice.
You can basically only see the top side of the plane and bits of the fuselage. So the top wing is a big selling point - if you assume many customers haven't seen the pictures on the WOG site and/or don't know the paint schemes). If the first impression fails, people might pass on it
A full transparent packaging as many action figures, and yes, the SW minis too, have today might give them more justice. And the minis really dont need to hide themselves. the overall quality is very good. And since the the SW-guys "borrowed" the game idea from WOG, why not borrow their packaging?
Edit: the red/white stripes D.III looks indeed lovely and would totally work as miniature!
I won't neccessarily say that a different packaging means use of more space. If you have the parts which are now cardboard simply replaced by clear plastic (and the tray transparent too of course) you'd have a box just as stable as the old packaging and on the other hand the mini itself would be much more visible.
Having at least the trays transparent is an interesting compromise, but I think you would need a white background then or the box looks too dark.
Dear Ares Games: if you read this and pick up my idea, I accept payment in miniatures
A clear plastic box with a clear tray, and a white (or cloud) backer card, plane info on the back of the backer card (visible to the outside back of the clear box) and a liberal sprinkling of color logos around the outside would be marvelous. Then, customers would be able to see the plane and contents. More sales? With the effort to pick colorful schemes, this would showcase the work and quality. Just use the same size of packaging, use clear plastic, not cardboard.
Mike
"Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss" Douglas Adams
"Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59
I do not what to see Frommherz. I can understand MVR. Both have already been released by F-Toys.
Björn and Phillip,
Are you thinking of this type of packaging: Clear Folding Carton Specialist
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Mike
"Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss" Douglas Adams
"Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59
Björn and Phillip,
Are you thinking of this type of packaging: [URL="http://www.hlpklearfold.com/clear-folding-carton-specialist-materials.html"]Clear Folding Carton Specialist[/URL
i was thinking of the trays only since theyre already plastic so your just basically switching "color" as it were and not really changing production costs. but clear packaging would really make the a/c much more visible and i dont think it would be significantly more expensive.
My preference would be to see 3 new aircraft. Though I don't know the thought process behind choosing which original to reprint, I would imagine it would be the best selling model. I do have a Brumowski, but the purchase was made after doing a little research. My planes are for flying, not collecting in a mint package to be brought out at some future date to make money on. So yeah, I knew a little about the pilot when I made my purchase, even though I knew the craft was highly collectible it did not factor in to my choice. I even plan to do another of Brumowskis DIII( or maybe it was a DV, not entirely sure) in a shapeways aircraft. I really like the DIII and DV models from them. There are a few others that are very collectible that I likely will not own because the pilots hold no interest for me.
For the record: while I am about 99% collector/1% player, my miniatures are not for hocking later--they're because my fun is in the relatively-reasonable chase of complete sets, and I would have no qualms about displaying my collection on-stands (or off, for the WWI birds) in part of a bookcase. (The reason they stay cased up in boxes is right now I don't have suitable space.)
Like I've said in numerous threads, I got sucked in in college because my mother thought they were cute and would be good for adding a "personal touch" to my workstation in the computer lab. (The same reason why when she now tries to say anything about cost I get to throw the "YOU started this!" card...)
Last edited by Diamondback; 10-02-2014 at 23:47.
Fair enough
Apologies to those awaiting cards and things from me, but I seriously squirreled on this beautiful paint job. And I was trying new techniques for diagonals.The red/white striped Albatross D.III belonged to Oblt Josef Loeser of Jasta39
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Actually I started this thread because I'm planning to re-paint one of my Albatross D.III after Loeser's Red/White bird... but I don't want to do all that work only to find out that Ares releases an official mini just like this one two years from now -- that already happened to me
Another pic
Ezekiel, paint away! Your card is ready for you.
Mike
"Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss" Douglas Adams
"Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59
Good thread and nice artwork on the card. Thanks guys.
Thats about the direction I mean indeed. I don't know how stable these boxes are, but if you seal the plane into a stable blister inside these boxes you have high security from theft (its pretty bothersome to open sealed plastic in a discrete way) and also ample space for adding some cardboard with the WOG logo etc.
Wow Mike! Gorgeous work!Apologies to those awaiting cards and things from me, but I seriously squirreled on this beautiful paint job. And I was trying new techniques for diagonals.
Ezekiel, paint away! Your card is ready for you.
Karl
It is impossible for a man to begin to learn what he thinks he knows. -- Epictetus
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