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    Default General Overview of WWI Miniatures - Timeline and Theaters 2020

    My first kick at the can [up to 12th edit (Post #65), edits, confirmations, references], trying to emulate Dan-Sam's WWII line-up of minis to conflicts. Was this an eye-opener! I actually have a few interesting options for what was supposed to be a Western Front collection. This is including the Series 9 release, and some substitution suggestions for existing models. I'm not knowledgeable enough to sort out which planes flew where, but I know there are lots of people out there that can sort me out.

    I'll update this with whatever assistance is provided. I do know that William Barker flew Camels in Italy, so perhaps my initial decision to pass on the Macchi M.5 will need more consideration. I've added in some pilots or planes based on Nexus cards to the listing, legend is at the bottom (each plane with brackets after the listing is from a card, not a mini)

    Have at it, comrades!

    WWI
    A brief overview of the historical realities for those who insist on historical credibility.

    Airplane Name and Type - - - - Yr Start(Intro)Active-Yr End(Reduced)2ndLine
    • Country - Pilot, Squadron Guns pts (Nexus Card abbreviation) - If there is a Nexus abbreviation, there isn't an official mini, sorry.

    1915

    Eastern Front

    Russian Air Force Planes

    Nieuport 10AR (2 seat) - - - 1915(01?)06-1916(04)? -/- ? pts B/- ? pts -/B ?pts
    (use Nieuport 17 with the "G*" maneuver deck, exchange with the Nieuport 28 when available)

    Nieuport 10 C.1 (single) - - - 1915(01?)06-1916(04)? B ? pts
    (use Nieuport 17 with the "I" maneuver deck, exchange with the Nieuport 28 when available)

    Morane-Saulnier N - - - 1915(06?)06-191?(?)? B 46 pts
    • Russia - Podporuchik N.P. Kisilevich, 8-oj AOI B 62 pts (IM)


    Galipoli (Turkey)

    Ottoman Aircraft
    Fokker E.III / A.III* - - - 1915(09)09-1917(?)? B 48 pts

    Italian Front

    Nieuport 10AR (2 seat) - - - 1915(01?)06-1916(04)? -/- ? pts B/- ? pts -/B ?pts
    (use Nieuport 17 with the "G*" maneuver deck, exchange with the Nieuport 28 when available)

    Nieuport-Macchi 10.000 - - - 1915(01?)06-1916(04)? B ? pts
    (use Nieuport 17 with the "I" maneuver deck, exchange with the Nieuport 28 when available)

    Fokker E.III / A.III* - - - 1915(07)09-1916(06)10 B 48 pts
    • Austria-Hungary - * Ludwig Hautzmayer

    Caproni Ca.1 - - - 1915(07)07-1917(12)12 ? pts
    (Use Caproni Ca.3 model with “XDs” maneuver deck (Link: “XDs” maneuver deck) “XDtra Slow”)

    Albatros C.III - - - - 1915(11)1915(12)-1917(12)1918 (End) B 81 pts

    Macedonian Front (Salonica)

    No miniatures

    Western Front

    Morane-Saulnier N - - - 1915(04)06-1915(12)02 B 46 pts
    • France - Jean Chaput
    • France - Eugène Gilbert
    • France - Jean Navarre

    Nieuport 11 Bébé - - - 1915(04)06-1916(03)'17/04 B 50 pts
    Le Prieur rockets can be used on this type.
    • France - Capitaine Armand de Turrenne (WB)
    • France - Sous Lieutenant Jean M.D. Navarre (WB)
    • France - Jean Chaput (Comes with Ace and Equipment Cards)
    • France - Armand de Turenne

    Fokker E.III / A.III* - - - 1915(07)09-1916(06)10 B 48 pts
    • Germany - Hans-Joachim Buddecke
    • Germany - Max Immelmann

    Caproni Ca.1 - - - 1915(07)07-1917(12)12 ? pts
    (Use Caproni Ca.3 model with “XDs” maneuver deck (Link: “XDs” maneuver deck) “XDtra Slow”)

    AIRCO D.H.2 - - - 1915(07-08)Restart ‘16/02-1917(02)06 B 58 pts
    • Great Britain - John Oliver Andrews
    • Great Britain - Lanoe George Hawker
    • Great Britain - Robert H. M. S. Saundby

    1916

    Eastern Front

    Bulgaria
    Albatros C.III - - - - 1916(08)(10)-1918(End)End B/B 81 pts

    Germany
    LFG Roland C.II - - - - 1916(02)02-1917(07)10
    • Germany - * Manfred von Richthofen (cannot shoot to the front, only rear gunner) B 64 pts

    Russian Air Force Planes
    Nieuport-Dux 11 - - - - 1916(?)?-1916(03)? B 50 pts
    (use Nieuport 11)
    • Russia - Polkovnik Alexander Kazakov, 19-yj KAO (WB)

    Sopwith-Dux 1 1/2 Strutter - - - - 1916(?)1916-06-191?(?)? B/B 86 pts
    (use Sopwith 1 1/2 Strutter)

    Nieuport 12 (2 seater) - 1916(?)?-1917(03)? B/B ? pts
    (use Nieuport 17 with the "G*" maneuver deck, exchange with the Nieuport 28 when available)

    Nieuport 17 - - - - 1916(?)?-191?(?)? A 76 pts/ B 56 pts

    SPAD VII - - - - - - 1916(?)?-191?(?)? A 82 pts/ B 62 pts
    • Russia - Podpraporshik M. I. Zembelevich, 4-yj KAO B 62 pts (HR)
    • Russia - -- 1-yj MIO B 62 pts (HR)

    Nieuport 23 - - - - 1916(11)01-1917(09)12 A 76 pts/ B 56 pts
    • Russia - * Kibanov (Nieuport 23, with French coats of arms) A 76 pts
    • Russia - * Kibanov, 22-yj KAO, B 56 pts (BD)

    Poland
    SPAD VII - - - - - - 1916(?)?-191?(?)? A 82 pts/ B 62 pts
    • Poland - podporucznik M. S. Garsztka, 7 Eskadra B 62 pts (HR)

    Galipoli (Turkey) Done in Jan-Feb

    Nieuport 17 - - - - 1916(03)03-1917(05)10 A 76 pts/ B 56 pts
    • Turkey - Vecihi Hürkuþ,Kuvva-i Havvaiye B 56 pts (BD)

    Italian Front

    Nieuport 11 - - - - 1916(04)06-1918(03)05 B 50 pts
    • Italy - Sergente Alvaro Leonardi (WB)
    • Italy - “Giannino” Ancillotto (Comes with Ace and Equipment Cards, point cost does not include rockets)

    Nieuport 12 (2 seater) - 1916(01)?-1917(03)? B/B ? pts
    (use Nieuport 17 with the "I*" maneuver deck, exchange with the Nieuport 28 when available)

    Nieuport 16 - - - - 1916(03)05-1916(08)’17/02 B 47 pts

    Hanriot HD.1 - - - - 1916(09)09-1918(End)End A 87 pts/ B 67 pts
    • Italy - Mario Fucini A 87 pts
    • Italy - Silvio Scaroni A 87 pts

    Albatros D.II - - - - 1916(10)10-1917(03)06 A 78 pts/ B 58 pts
    • Austria-Hungary - * Rudolf von Szepessy-Sokoll B 58 pts

    RAF R.E. 8 - - - - 1916(11)11-1918(End)End B/A 101 pts/ B/B 81 pts

    Nieuport 23 - - - - 1916(11)01-1917(09)12 A 76 pts

    Albatross D.III - - - - 1916(12)01-1918(03)08(grounded 1917/03) A 79 pts
    • Austria-Hungary - Godwin Brumowski
    • Austria-Hungary - Ludwig Hautzmayer

    Macedonian Front (Salonica)

    Nieuport 17 - - - - 1916(03)03-1917(05)10 A 76 pts/ B 56 pts
    • Romania - Plutonier Aviator I. Muntenescu, Escadrila Nieuport N. 11 B 56 pts (BD)

    Halberstadt D.III - - - - 1916(05)07-1916(10)’17/02 (1st Line 1917/03? then removed)
    • Germany - Hans von Keudell 60 pts
    • Germany - Luftstreitkräfte 60 pts
    • Germany - Luftstreitkräfte 60 pts

    Gotha G.III - - - - 1916(08)08-1917(09)09 142 pts
    (use Gotha G.V with the same maneuver deck)

    Albatros C.III - - - - 1916(08)(10)-1918(End)End B/B 81 pts
    • Austria-Hungary - Meinecke
    • Germany - Bohme/Ladermacher
    • Germany - Luftstreitkräfte

    SPAD VII - - - - 1916(09)03-1918(End)End A 82 pts/ B 62 pts

    Western Front

    Nieuport 12 (2 seater) - 1916(01)?-1917(03)? B/B ? pts
    (use Nieuport 17 with the "G*" maneuver deck, exchange with the Nieuport 28 when available)

    Sopwith 1 1/2 Strutter - - - - 1915(12)1916-02-1917(10)End
    • France - Costes/Astor B/B 86 pts
    • Great Britain - Collishaw/Portsmouth B/B 86 pts
    • Great Britain - 78 Squadron A 78 pts (Comic, Single seat)

    LFG Roland C.II - - - - 1916(02)02-1917(07)10
    • Germany - Luftstreitskräfte B/B 92 pts
    • Germany - Richard Seibert & Arthur Pflieger B/B 92 pts
    • Germany - Luftstreitkräfte B/B 92 pts
    • Germany - FFA 292b (C.IIa) B/B 92 pts

    Nieuport 17 - - - - 1916(03)03-1917(05)10 A 76 pts/ B 56 pts
    • France - Gervais Lufbery & Georges Thenault A 76 pts
    • France - Charles Nungesser A 76 pts

    Nieuport 16 - - - - 1916(03)05-1916(08)’17/02 47 pts
    • France - Norman Prince 47 pts
    • France - Charles Chouteau Johnson 47 pts
    • France - Henri de Guibert 47 pts
    • France - Henry Lecour Grandmaison 47 pts

    Halberstadt D.III - - - - 1916(03)06-1916(10)’17/02 (1st Line 1917/03? then removed)
    • Germany - Hans von Keudell 60 pts
    • Germany - Luftstreitkräfte 60 pts
    • Germany - Luftstreitkräfte 60 pts

    Gotha G.III - - - - 1916(08)08-1917(09)09 142 pts
    (use Gotha G.V with the same maneuver deck)

    SPAD VII - - - - 1916(09)03-1918(End)End A 82 pts/ B 62 pts
    • France - Georges Guynemer B 62 pts
    • Great Britain - 23rd Squadron B 62 pts

    Sopwith Pup - - - - 1916(09)09-1917(02)06 A 84 pts
    (use the Snipe model with the “D” maneuver deck)
    • Australia - Thomas C. R. Baker
    • Australia - Verner Ryrie
    • Canada - William George Barker
    • Great Britain - Alexander Kazakov
    • USSR - Grigoriy Sapozhnikov (ignore roundels)

    Albatros D.II - - - - 1916(10)10-1917(03)06 A 78 pts/ B 58 pts
    • Germany - Oswald Boelcke A 78 pts
    • Germany - Manfred von Richthofen A 78 pts

    RAF R.E. 8 - - - - 1916(11)11-1918(End)End B/A 101 pts/ B/B 81 pts
    • Belgium - Aviation Militaire Belge B/B 81 pts
    • Great Britain - Gerald Fergusonn & Fry B/B 81 pts
    • Great Britain - John Longton & Thomas Carson B/B 81 pts

    Nieuport 23 - - - - 1916(11)01-1917(09)12 A 76 pts/ B 56 pts
    • France - Lt E. Thieffry, 5è Escadrille B 56 pts (BD)

    Sopwith Triplane - - - - 1916(12)12-1917(07)10 A 86 pts/ B 66 pts
    • Great Britain - * Raymond Collishaw A 86 pts
    • Great Britain - Roderic Stanley Dallas B 66 pts
    • Great Britain - Robert Alexander Little B 66 pts

    Albatross D.III - - - - 1916(12)01-1918(03)08(grounded 1917/03) A 79 pts
    • Germany - Werner Voss

    1917

    Eastern Front

    Russian Air Force Planes
    Sopwith Triplane - - - - 1917(?)?-191?(?)? B 66 pts
    SPAD XIII - - - - 1917(?))?-1918(?)? A 85 pts
    Sopwith Camel - - - - 1917(?))?-1918(?)? A 86 pts

    Poland
    Bristol F.2B Fighter - - - - 1917(04)04-1918(End)End
    B/B 91 pts / A/B 111 pts / B/A 111 pts / AB/A 147 pts
    • Poland - W. Makowski R. Vanderauvera, 1 Eskadra Wywiadowcza B/B 91 pts (CF)

    Italian Front

    Macchi M.5 - - - - 1917(02)06-1918(End)End A 84 pts
    • Italy - Domenico Arcidiacono
    • USA - Willis B. Haviland
    • Austria - Friedrich Welker

    Caproni Ca.3 - - - - 1917(03)03-1918(End)End 143 pts
    • Italy - Casimiro Buttini
    • Italy - Guido Taramelli
    • Italy - Fiorello La Guardia & Federico Zapelloni

    Nieuport 17 - - - - 1917(03)03-1918(11)11 A 76 pts/ B 56 pts
    • Italy - Sottotenente G. Ancillotto 80^ Squadriglia B ? pts (BD)
    • Italy - Caporale A. Imolesi, 79^ Squadriglia B ? pts (BD)

    SPAD VII - - - - 1917(03)03-1918(06)End A 82 pts/ B 62 pts
    • Italy - Tenente Ernesto Cabruna B 62 pts (HR)
    • Italy - Capitano Francesco Baracca B 62 pts (HR)

    De Havilland & AIRCO DH.4 - - - - 1917(05))05-1918(End)End
    • Great Britain - Egbert Cadbury & Robert Leckie B/B 89 pts
    • Canada - Alfred Clayburn Atkey B/A 109 pts
    • Great Britain - Charles Bartlett & Walter Naylor A/B 109 pts
    • Great Britain - Frederick S. Cotton & Eric Betts AB/B 133 pts

    Albatros D.Va - - - - 1917(05)06-1918(06)End A 82 pts

    SPAD XIII - - - - 1917(10)11-1918(End)End A 85 pts
    • Italy - Francesco Barraca

    Aviatik D.I - - - - 1917(10)10-1918(End)End A 82 pts/ B 62 pts
    • Austria-Hungary - Frank Linke-Crawford A 82 pts
    • Austria-Hungary - * Karl Sabeditsch B 62 pts
    • Austria-Hungary - Karl Turek A 82 pts

    Phönix D.I - - - - 1917(10)1918(02)-1918(06)08 A 84 pts
    • Austria-Hungary - Friedrich Lang
    • Austria-Hungary - Karl Urban
    • Austria-Hungary - Kurt Grube

    RAF R.E. 8 - - - - 1917(11)11-1918(End)End B/A 101 pts/ B/B 81 pts
    • Great Britain - Gerald Fergusonn & Fry
    • Great Britain - John Longton & Thomas Carson

    Sopwith Camel - - - - 1917(11)11-1918(End)End A 86 pts
    • Canada - William George Barker
    • Great Britain - Aubrey R. Ellwood


    Macedonian Front (Salonica)

    AIRCO D.H.2 - - - 1917(02)02-1917(12)12 B 58 pts
    • Great Britain - John Oliver Andrews
    • Great Britain - Lanoe George Hawker
    • Great Britain - Robert H. M. S. Saundby

    Sopwith 1 1/2 Strutter - - - - 1917(02)03-1917(12)12 B/B 86 pts

    Gotha G.IV - - - - 1917(03)03-1918(End)End 142 pts
    (use Gotha G.V with the same maneuver deck)

    Western Front

    Hanriot HD.1 - - - - 1917(01)01-1918(End)End A 87 pts/ B 67 pts
    • Belgium - * Willy Coppens B 67 pts

    Caproni Ca.3 - - - - 1917(03)03-1918(End)End 143 pts
    (was used by the British until 1918 Q1)
    • France - C.E.P. 115

    Rumpler C.IV C. - - - - 1917(02)05-1918(End)End B/B 85 pts
    • Germany - Marine Feld Flieger Abteilung 1
    • Germany - Marine Feld Flieger Abteilung 2
    • Germany - Marine Feld Flieger Abteilung 3
    • Germany - Luftstreitkräfte Flieger-Abteilung 7 - S/N 8231
    • Germany - Luftstreitkräfte Fliegerabteilung 235 (Artillerie) - S/N 8256
    • Germany - Luftstreitkräfte Flieger-abteilung 209 A - Lt Ziegert

    Siemens-Schuckert D.I - - - - 1917(early)?-1917(06)? A ? pts/ B 58 pts
    (use Nieuport 16 with the "E" maneuver deck)
    • Germany - Hauptmann Hans von Hünerbein, Jasta 5 B 58 pts (WB)

    Gotha G.IV - - - - 1917(03)03-1918(End)End 142 pts
    (use Gotha G.V with the same maneuver deck)

    Bristol F.2B Fighter - - - - 1917(04)04-1918(End)End
    • Australia - B/A - Eustace Headlam & Edward Beaton 111 pts
    • Great Britain - B/B - Anthony Arkell & Albert Stagg 91 pts
    • Great Britain - A/B - William Harvey & Dennis Waight 111 pts

    Sopwith Camel - - - - 1917(05)07-1918(End)End A 86 pts
    • Canada - Roy Brown (only in Deluxe Set #2)
    • Canada - Roy Brown (only in Duel Pack)
    • Belgium - Jan Olieslagers
    • Great Britain - Harold Francis Stackard

    De Havilland & AIRCO DH.4 - - - - 1917(05)05-1918(End)End
    • Australia - AB/B - Frederick Cotton & Betts 133 pts
    • Canada - B/A Alfred Clayburn Atkey 109 pts
    • Great Britain - B/B Egbert Cadbury & Robert Leckie 89 pts
    • Great Britain - A/B - Charles Bartlett & Walter Naylor 109 pts

    Albatros D.Va - - - - 1917(05)06-1918(06)End A 82 pts
    • Germany - Paul Baumer (only in Deluxe Set #2)
    • Germany - Paul Baumer (only in Duel Pack)
    • Germany - Kurt Jentsch
    • Germany - Ernst Udet
    • Germany - Ludwig Weber
    • Germany - Hans Joachim von Hippel
    • Germany - Josef Carl Peter Jacobs

    RAF S.E. 5 - - - - 1917(03)04-1918(End)End A 89 pts
    • Canada - William Avery Bishop A 89 pts

    RAF S.E. 5a - - - - 1917(06)06-1918(End)End A 92 pts/ B 72 pts
    • Australia - Roderic Stanley Dallas A 92 pts
    • Canada - William Avery Bishop A 92 pts
    • Great Britain - James Thomas Byford McCudden A 92 pts

    SPAD XIII - - - - 1917(07)11-1918(End)End A 85 pts
    • France - René Fonck
    • France - Arthur Marie Marcel Coadou
    • France - Georges Madon

    Breguet BR.14 - - - - 1917(08)08-1918(End)End
    • France - A/A De Greffier & Marseille 130 pts
    • France - B/B Grebil & Carron 90 pts
    • France - B/B Escadrille Br 111 90 pts (BR.14 B2)
    • France - B/A Audinot/Hellouin De Céniva 110 pts (BR.14 B2)
    • France - B/A Stanley/Folger 114 pts (BR.14 A2)

    Gotha G.V - - - - 1917(08)08-1918(End)End 142 pts
    • Germany - Walter Aschoff
    • Germany - Michael von Korff, Eberhard von Zedlitz und Neulich

    Halberstadt CL.II - - - - 1917(08)08-1918(End)End B/B 90 pts
    • Germany - Schlachtstaffel 23b
    • Germany - Max Niemann & Rudolf Kolodzicj
    • Germany - Paul Schwarze & Franz Schumm

    Pfalz D.III - - - - 1917(08)08-1918(06)End A 83 pts
    • Germany - Werner Voss

    Pfalz D.IIIa - - - - 1917(11)11-1918(06)End A 83 pts
    • Germany - Fritz Hohn
    • Germany - Max Hotlzem
    • Germany - Hans Klein
    • Germany - Rudolf Berthold

    Fokker Dr.I - - - - 1917(08)10-1918(06)07 A 85 pts
    • Germany - Manfred von Richthofen (only in Deluxe Set #2)
    • Germany - Manfred von Richthofen (only in Duel Pack)
    • Germany - Manfred von Richthofen
    • Germany - Lothar von Richthofen
    • Germany - Fritz Kempf
    • Germany - Arthur Rahn
    • Germany - Hans Kirschstein

    SPAD VII - - - - 1917(12)12-1918(03)05 A 82 pts/ B 62 pts
    • USA - Robert Soubiran B 62 pts

    1918

    Eastern Front

    Russian Air Force Planes
    Sopwith Snipe - - - - 1918(?)?-191?(?)? A 96 pts
    • Great Britain - Alexander Kazakov
    • USSR - Grigoriy Sapozhnikov

    Italian Front

    UFAG C.I - - - - 1918(01)02-1918(End)End B/B 83 pts
    • Austria-Hungary - Fliegerkompanie 23/D
    • Austria-Hungary - Luftfahrtruppen
    • Austria-Hungary - Luftfahrtruppen

    Bristol F.2B Fighter - - - - 1918(07)07-1918(End)End
    B/B 91 pts / A/B 111 pts / B/A 111 pts / AB/A 147 pts

    SPAD XIII - - - - 1918(?)11-1918(End)End A 85 pts

    Macedonian Front (Salonica)

    Nieuport 23 - - - - 1918(?)?-1917(09)12 A 76 pts/ B 56 pts


    Palestine

    Ottoman/German
    Breguet BR.14 - - - - 1918(06)08-1918(End)End A/A 130 pts/ B/B 90 pts
    • Turkey - - Kuvva-i Havvaiye B/A ? pts (RP)

    British Airplanes?

    Western Front

    Nieuport 28 - - - - 1918(01)02-1918(06)08 A 87 pts
    • USA - Harold E. Hartney
    • USA - Ralph A. O’Neil
    • USA - Edward Rickenbacker

    Siemens-Schuckert D.III - - - - 1918(01)03-1918(End)End (grounded 1918/06) A 93 pts
    • Germany - Helmut Lange
    • Germany - Josef Veltjens
    • Germany - Oliver Von Beaulieu-Marconnay

    Hannover CL.IIIa - - - - 1918(02)03-1918(End)End (grounded 1918/06) B/B 93 pts
    • Germany - Johan Baur / von Hengl
    • Germany - Rudolf Hager / Weber
    • Germany - Luftstreitskräfte

    Fokker D.VII - - - - 1918(04)04-1918(End)End A 100 pts
    • Germany - Hermann Göring
    • Germany - Gotthard Sachsenberg
    • Germany - Rudolf Stark
    • Germany - Hugo Schäfer
    • Germany - Ernst Udet

    De Havilland & AIRCO DH.4 - - - - 1918(05)05-1918(End)End
    • USA - A/A Squadron D - Northern Bombing Grp, American Expeditionary Force (AIRCO DH.4) (Nexus) 1918(05) 129 pts
    • USA - A/A 50th Sqn, American Expeditionary Force (AIRCO DH.4) (Ares) 1918(05) 129 pts

    SPAD XIII - - - - 1918(05)11-1918(End)End A 85 pts
    • USA - Frank Luke (only in Deluxe Set #2)
    • USA - Frank Luke (only in Duel Pack)
    • USA - Edward Vernon Rickenbacker 1918(09)
    • USA - H.W. Cook (WB)
    • USA - Captain James Fitz-Morris (RP - Promo)

    Breguet BR.14 - - - - 1918(06)08-1918(End)End
    • USA - B/A 94th Aero Sqn, Browning & Duke 110 pts

    Sopwith Snipe - - - - 1918(09)09-1918(End)End A 96 pts
    • Australia - Thomas C. R. Baker
    • Australia - Verner Ryrie
    • Canada - William George Barker
    • Great Britain - Alexander Kazakov (Markings for Eastern Front)
    • USSR - Grigoriy Sapozhnikov (Markings for Eastern Front)

    Fokker E.V/D.VIII - - - - 1918(07)08-1918(End)End(grounded 1918/09) A 87 pts
    • Germany - Erich Lowenhardt
    • Germany - Theodor Osterkamp
    • Germany - Karl Sharon

    RAF S.E. 5a - - - - 1918(11)11-1918(End)End A 92 pts/ B 72 pts
    • USA - 25th Aero Sqn, Joseph E. Boudwin A 92 pts

    After 1918 November

    Nieuport 23 - - - - 1916(11)01-1917(09)12 A 76 pts/ B 56 pts
    • Russia - * Kibanov (Nieuport 23, with French coats of arms)

    Anytime you want(?):

    Balloon -brown
    • Type: Achthundert English AE 800 or Caquot M
    • Marking: France, Germany
    Balloon -yellow
    • Type: Achthundert English AE 800 or Caquot M
    • Marking: Great Britain, Russia, USA

    Nexus Card Legend:
    (WB) - Watch Your Back
    (BD) - Burning Drachens
    (CF) - Crossfire
    (HR) - Hit and Run
    (IM) - Immelmann
    (RP) - Recon Patrol

    Referenced using:
    Available 144 aircraft kits and Stats April 2014
    WOW & WOG Complete Listing September 2014
    WOW & WOG Complete Listing Jun 2017
    Point System for Wings of Glory
    Input from Forum Members - Thanks!
    Last edited by OldGuy59; 08-29-2022 at 17:51. Reason: Series 9 Release update, reference and Title Change
    Mike
    "Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss" Douglas Adams
    "Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59

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    Um, two of the Rumplers are not identified by unit, but only their C/N's. And the American DH4's are two different versions, the original is US Marine Corps (look close, there's an Eagle, Globe & Anchor on the side) while the new one is US Army Air Service.

    Hope this helps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diamondback View Post
    Um, two of the Rumplers are not identified by unit, but only their C/N's. And the American DH4's are two different versions, the original is US Marine Corps (look close, there's an Eagle, Globe & Anchor on the side) while the new one is US Army Air Service.

    Hope this helps.
    I copied the list for Dan-Sam's Overview, and there are some planes with no crews, and vague IDs. That's the way they were produced, I think.

    The help I'm looking for is "where" these planes fought each other. The Eindekker flew on the Western Front and against Italy. Did the Morane-Saulnier?

    The Hanriot and the Aviatik fought each other in Italy, and the Camel was there. What other Western Front planes could face the Aviatik?

    Which planes flew in Turkey? The mix of planes in Russia was so confused, almost any plane could fight any other, including a Nieuport 17 vs a D.VII! Or Snipes vs each other.

    Dan-Sam's WWII list was so specific he even gave color schemes, not just marks/types. I don't think we need that for this list, but if someone offers the information, I'll integrate it.
    Mike
    "Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss" Douglas Adams
    "Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59

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    Nice work Old Guy...great info

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    Nice list there Mike. This does help create more realistic scenarios.
    Thanks


    Nick

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    Dan-Sam I don't think had all the reprints yet.
    This is the original:


    This is the inspiration for the new:


    See the significance? They're both Western Front, but they're two different aircraft under two very separate command structures in different sectors and should be noted as such. (Otherwise, you'd have to consolidate the Ares and Nexus RDS/DP re-runs for the sake of consistency since there's LESS difference between them.)

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    There!

    Now I have a much better picture of what was flying where and when in WWI. Not that the information isn't buried in many of the threads and files on the Forum, but now I can find it in one place, and in a form I can refer to quickly. Should I add the Points System into this?
    Mike
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    ITALIAN FRONT

    3 RFC squadrons served in Italy from 1917 to 1918 (squadrons n°26 - 45 - 66).
    No RNAS squad.
    Barker got 40 victories in Italy against Albatros DIII and DV, Rumpler C ...
    He was in charge of the 166 sqd including Bristol F2b Fighter.

    Italian ace G.Ancillotto flying a Hanriot HD1, with M.Fucini and RFC pilots, downed a plane (unkwown) who had just shot down a Camel (Lt Goodman sqd 66) in october 1918.
    http://www.theaerodrome.com/aces/italy/ancillotto.php
    Osprey italian aces page 16

    On the Austro-Hungarian aces page of the Aerodrome, some aces downed many english planes :
    J.Arigi : flying Aviatik DI / Airco DH4
    Linke Crawforf : Aviatik DI / Camel, Bristol F2b
    Kiss, Graser, Bonsch, Fejes : flying Albatros DIII / RE8, Camel
    http://www.theaerodrome.com/aces/austrhun/index.php


    So you may add to the Italian Front (1917-1918) the following planes :

    Camel (Barker et Elwood)
    Airco DH4
    RAF RE8
    Bristol F2b Fighter
    Albatros DV


    Also Italian Nieuport but there is no miniature.


    French squadrons were also sent to the italian front :

    Squad N92/N561 in Venezia were equiped with
    Nieuport 16 with Le Prieur rockets and Nieuport 17 from october 1916,
    Nieuport 23-21-24 + Spad VII in 1917,
    Spad XIII (+ Nieuport 27) in 1918.

    Many figurines that can also be used for the italian front in the game.

    They fought mainly against austrian seaplanes but also german airplanes.
    And they downed several drachen in 1918.

    http://albindenis.free.fr/Site_escad...adrille561.htm
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    Serbian Air force at SALONICA FRONT used:

    Maurice Farman MF 11 1916 (5 PIECES)
    Maurice Farman MF 7 1916 (1 PIECE)
    Voisin III 1916
    Voisin IV 1916
    Voisin V 1916
    Caudron G III A2 1916
    Caudron B IV B2 1916
    Nieuport X A2 1916
    Nieuport XI C1 1916 BEBE
    R.A.F. BE 2c 1917 (1 PIECE)
    Dorand AR 1 A2 1917/1918 (14 PIECES)
    SPAD S VII C1 1917/1918 - official mini exists
    Farman F 40 up to 1918: AR 1; AR 2
    Farman F 41 up to 1918
    Breguet Type XIV 1918 - official mini exists
    Nieuport XXIV bis C1 1918
    Nieuport XXIV C1 1918 komada 8
    Nieuport XII A2 1918
    Nieuport XXI C1 1918
    Nieuport XXIII C1 1918 - official mini exists

    Until 1918 Serbian Airforce usually was mixed with French Airforce in joint squadrons. In April 1918 1st Serbian Squadron was formed, becoming fully operative in April. It comprised 12 Dorand ARs and three Nieuport XXIVs. Base was French-Serbian Squadron AR522. Forming of 2nd squadron followed in July (based on Squadron 525).
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    Can we sticky this thread, please?

    All this information in one place, and formatted like this is invaluable.

    A big thank you to Mike, and everyone who has helped him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Пилот View Post
    Serbian Air force at SALONICA FRONT used:

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    SPAD S VII C1 1917/1918
    Breguet Type XIV 1918
    Nieuport XXIII C1 1918

    Until 1918 Serbian Airforce usually was mixed with French Airforce in joint squadrons. In April 1918 1st Serbian Squadron was formed, becoming fully operative in April. It comprised 12 Dorand ARs and three Nieuport XXIVs. Base was French-Serbian Squadron AR522. Forming of 2nd squadron followed in July (based on Squadron 525).
    Пилот
    This thread is focused on "Official" minis, and is particularly for those who don't build and paint, so I seriously editted your list. I didn't know of this front, until this morning, thanks. It was a "side show", sometimes called the " Macedonian Front".

    I'll update with all the above tonight, or tomorrow.
    Mike
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    Mike, I edited post, and made existing official minis, possible to re-paint, more obvious. Others could be used for future reference.

    I agree the Salonica front was pretty quiet after Kaymaktchalan battle, but in 1918, but after front was broken, Bulgaria was knocked out from the war, together with Austria-Hungary (latter was also influenced with great Italian victory at Vittorio Veneto), leaving Germany without major allies. Serbian historiography often quotes alleged telegram sent by German Emperor to Bulgarian High Command, "that 62000 Serbian soldiers decided outcome of war". Personally, I haven't found confirmation of that telegram in foreign sources.
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    Wow, very nice work Mike and all. Very cool, wish I had seen something like this earlier as it would have made my purchasing practices make sense. Although the "Buy everything you can" approach has worked well.

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    Will,
    Yeah, it would have helped me, too. However, it has broadened my appreciation for who flew where. Still a work in progress.

    Especially if we get more minis!

    And then, this would explode, if we added in all the Shapeways, AIM, etc... stuff.
    Mike
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    "Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59

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    Updated, re-filtered, and Points System added.

    I have put place-holders in for the next release, but no points for them yet.

    Also, if some could help with the Central Powers planes in the Eastern, Galipoli, Italian and Macedonian Fronts, that would be great to even out some of the conflicts.

    And any substitutions of similar airframes for types not yet made? Like the Caproni Ca.3 used for the Caproni Ca.1, or the Snipe for the Pup?
    Mike
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    Mike, can I help you something? Sheets, lists, overiviews, I love them

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGuy59 View Post
    Updated, re-filtered, and Points System added.
    ...
    And any substitutions of similar airframes for types not yet made
    ...
    I guess Nieuports will be good in that role.
    For example, Nieuport 16 / Nieuport 11.
    Nieuport 17 / 21 / 23 / 24bis
    (and, for some future releases:
    Nieuport 24 / 25 / 27
    Nieuport 80 / 81 / 83 (two seaters))
    Last edited by Пилот; 09-24-2014 at 00:31.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan-Sam View Post
    Mike, can I help you something? Sheets, lists, overiviews, I love them
    Dan,
    This list is an homage to your WWII list. Not quite as good as yours, but it is getting close.

    What I need is a better idea of which aircraft opposed which in each front. In Russia, I have some input on what the Russians flew, but not what the Central Powers put against them. I could guess and say anything on the Western Front could have flown on the Eastern Front, but as I've noticed that isn't always correct. The Italian Front had aircraft that didn't show up on the Western Front. And some Lend-Lease squadrons and planes had British planes and pilots flying in Italy.

    This is where my knowledge, and lack of reference material, falls down. I can pretty much sort out the Western Front, and I've read a book on a Canadian pilot that flew in Italy (Barker), so I could have made an educated guess on that material. But, it would be a guess.

    If you can help with that bit, the list would be nearly perfect, I think. And a better compliment to your WWII list.
    Mike
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    "Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59

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    Quote Originally Posted by Пилот View Post
    I guess Nieuports will be good in that role.
    For example, Nieuport 16 as Nieuport 11.
    We could pretend the rockets are not there, not much worse than ignoring the markings and paint schemes of some airplanes (IE: American paint jobs on planes that were used a year or two before the Americans showed up.).

    Doing up this list shows things like the Nieuport 16 was only in service for a few months (Front Line Service from May to August 1916). Not like some planes that nearly served the entire war! Using it for the 11 would get a bit more mileage our of the mini (Front Line Service from January to December 1916)!

    Nice suggestion, Пилот.
    Mike
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    "Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59

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    Just so you know, Mike, wasn't trying to be argumentative or butt-chew... just that you'd be surprised how many times I've seen big things scuttled by small, even trivial little details. You'd be surprised at how much email traffic a site I run gets bounced back because my administrative assistant's dyslexia causes her to frequently reverse letters in addresses...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diamondback View Post
    Just so you know, Mike, wasn't trying to be argumentative or butt-chew... just that you'd be surprised how many times I've seen big things scuttled by small, even trivial little details. You'd be surprised at how much email traffic a site I run gets bounced back because my administrative assistant's dyslexia causes her to frequently reverse letters in addresses...
    Diamondback,
    My knee-jerk response was, "If Nexus/Ares didn't care enough to identify the planes properly, the "lack of info" was what I would use. Who cares, if they didn't?" The actual response included colorful metaphors, too.

    However, you actually care. And if I want this to be as accurate as possible, and I did invite assistance, then I should pay attention to the comments. So, I didn't directly respond to your input by return comment, I just hunted down the information and put the squadron information into my list.

    Thank you for your help, and sorry if it looked like I ignored you. My answer was to make my list better, with your input.
    Mike
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    "Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59

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    Updated the list with:
    Nieuport 10 (Eastern, Italian {Nieuport-Macchi 10.000}, and Western Front) - Accuracy may be an issue, so fine-tuning would be appreciated.
    Nieuport 11 (Italian and Western Front)

    Siemens-Schuckert D.I (Western Front) - Questionable, but did see some front-line service. Pretty much a blip, though, as it was obsolete when it arrived.

    Nieuport 12 should be there too.

    I have line drawings for all the above Nieuports, so cards could be made to represent them in the game. Stats would need to be confirmed, as I guessed at the maneuver decks.
    Last edited by OldGuy59; 09-25-2014 at 10:33.
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    Mike, I think they care more than it seems, just that they don't have quite as much time before production to devote to research as I do after. I'm actually working on building them a document that breaks down all the gory details of every miniature released all the way down the command structure from service to individual crew, and ultimately even to dates and C/N when data is available. (The two MvR Dr.I's are a bit of guesswork, but both C/N's I cite are known to have been MvR Fokkers and each is known to have been painted in a scheme similar if not identical to the mini it's ascribed to--the fields around the Eisernekreuz on 425/17 are still an open dispute, and while I wish they would have done it with the later Balkankreuz representing the Baron's last days I'm not sure the casual gamer would understand the change in insignia--though they take it fine on the D.VII's.)

    If you think it'd help, I'd be glad to send you a copy. Problem is, decrypting some of the command structures for Eastern Front nations... and why the hell do Russians in particular have to be so bloody LONG-WINDED about it? You'd almost swear at times that it seems like they had more staff billets than fighting men... Since research is my game both personally and professionally, I'll see what I can dig up to help out with this project--thinking about adding a "Front" column to the spreadsheet for this very reason.

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    Diamondback,
    Thanks for the insight. I'm not ready to dig that deep. Yet. But I now know who to call when I am.

    Helping with the list is great, though. That gives me a much better understanding of what was flying where and when. Up until I started working on this project, I was vaguely aware of the years certain planes flew, but it wasn't enough.

    Among other great sources of information on this forum, I have run across a link (now forgotten) that had an interactive map showing the Western Front, and hoverable/clickable spots for the aerodromes (time, name and squadrons would pop up). Can't find it anymore, but it is too much detail for a list like the "General Overview".
    Mike
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    "Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59

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    I question the Pfalz D.III being in Italy. The three Jasta's sent: Jasta 1 and 31 had Albatros D.Vs, Jasta 39 had Albatros D.IIIs (OAW). Jasta 25 in Macedonia was equipped with Halberstadt D.II's and then Roland D.IIs and Albatros D.IIIs.

    I believe it was a mistaken id. Probably a Phonix D. Mistaken IDs were common place on the Italian Front. Many HD.1s were reported as Camels. The British reported shooting down Albatros D.Vs after the Germans had returned to Germany.

    There are only one Pfalz D.III airframe that was sent to Austria for testing and when an 200 hp Diamler engine was installed the flight characteristics was unstable because the Diamler engine weighed 101 lbs more than the 160hp Mercedes. So it was scrapped.

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    Do you still want info on the Russian front?

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    Quote Originally Posted by john snelling View Post
    I question the Pfalz D.III being in Italy. The three Jasta's sent: Jasta 1 and 31 had Albatros D.Vs, Jasta 39 had Albatros D.IIIs (OAW). Jasta 25 in Macedonia was equipped with Halberstadt D.II's and then Roland D.IIs and Albatros D.IIIs.

    I believe it was a mistaken id. Probably a Phonix D. Mistaken IDs were common place on the Italian Front. Many HD.1s were reported as Camels. The British reported shooting down Albatros D.Vs after the Germans had returned to Germany.

    There are only one Pfalz D.III airframe that was sent to Austria for testing and when an 200 hp Diamler engine was installed the flight characteristics was unstable because the Diamler engine weighed 101 lbs more than the 160hp Mercedes. So it was scrapped.
    This may have been a guess on my part? I'll remove it.


    Quote Originally Posted by john snelling View Post
    Do you still want info on the Russian front?
    I'll take any info that makes the list more accurate. I'm guessing on a lot, and I have no references, other than the published cards and planes. As noted above, I didn't even have a clear picture on what Fronts existed.

    Last night, after I started looking at producing cards for different fronts, I went through my collection of existing cards and started injecting them into the list, if there was a mini that was suitable for it. It would save me from drowning in production. Not all the cards are listed, as I was confused by what the markings were, and where they were used. Between the two references, I think I sorted out most of the cards. However, where did Poland and Romania fit into the picture? Planes listed as belonging to Turkey were what side, when?

    There is lots I don't know, and help is appreciated.

    PS: I also need help with Stats for these "substitute" planes. The Nieuport 10s and 12s, for instance?
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    Mike,

    Thank you for compiling this list. It will make for a handy reference when building scenarios or researching airplane information.

    What information sources did you consult to build this list?

    Many thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kenji View Post
    Mike,

    Thank you for compiling this list. It will make for a handy reference when building scenarios or researching airplane information.

    What information sources did you consult to build this list?

    Many thanks.
    Kenji,
    You are very welcome. I compiled this because I needed to sort myself out for that very reason. And to justify more minis.

    At the very bottom of the list is a reference section, which provided the majority of information. Also, as I delve deeper for options, I went through all my Nexus cards to find existing pilots and countries for some of the existing minis and substitutions I listed.

    Last, but not least, there are member on this forum with extensive historical collections, knowledge and experience. Fine-tuning is ongoing.
    Mike
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    "Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59

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    The Italian Front: Italian Fighter Aircraft

    Nieuport 11 16/Q2-18/Q2 E – B – 10 – 11 – 4
    Macchi-Nieuport built 450 and 93 built by others. 1916 to early 1917 35 to 45 were built a month until superceded by the Nieuport 17. By Feb 1918 only 22 in service.

    Nieuport 17 17/Q1-18/Q3 I - B – 12 - 12 - 3
    started producing in Dec 1916 through 1917. 150 built by Macchi all had synchronized Vickers MG. Replaced the N11 during 1917. June 1918 only the 72 and the 74 had N17.

    SPAD S.VII 17/Q2-18/Q4 B B 15 14 2
    began using the SPAD VII in March 1917, nine Squadriglia being equipped with it. A total of 214 Spad VIIs were used operationally by the Italians. As was the case in other air services, pilots accustomed to more maneuverable mounts had a difficult time adapting to the new fighter, and again some reverted to the Nieuport 27 or the Hanriot HD.1

    Hanriot HD-1 16/Q3-18/Q4 F A or B 14 14 3
    received as a replacement for the N17. In 1917 placed an order for 100. They liked its robustness and agility, marginally faster than the Albatros and Brandenburg D.I. 831 were produced by Italian companies under licence. Hanriot HD.1, which eventually became the standard Italian Fighter.

    Nieuport 27 17/Q4-18/Q4 F B 13 12 3
    200 obtained from France from late 1917 and 1918.

    SPAD S.XIII 17/Q4-18/Q4 A A 16 15 2
    A total of 26 Spad XIII were delivered starting early 1918. Some were not uncrated until after the war.

    Ansaldo SVA5 18/Q1-18/Q4 A* A 15 14 2 A* deck is the A deck one sideslip on either side removed
    1917: 65 machines built this model being assigned to training. 1918: 1,183 machines built. It displayed exceptional speed but, inherently stable, was considered to lack the maneuverability demanded for fighter-versus-fighter combat. However, its excellent range rendered it suitable for the reconnaissance fighter role

    British in Italy

    According to The Squadrons of the Royal Air Force by James J Halley:

    28 Sqn (Camel) arrived in Milan on 9 November 1917 and by 28 November had set up home at Grossa;
    34 Sqn (RE8) arrived in Milan on 13 November and also moved to Grossa on 28 November;
    66 Sqn (Camel) arrived in Milan on 22 November and moved to Grossa on 4 December;
    42 Sqn (RE8) arrived in Italy on 2 December and moved to Grossa on 17 December;
    45 Sqn (Camel) arrived in Padova on 20 December and set up shop at Istrana on 26 December;
    the other unit in Italy was 139 Sqn (Bristol F2) which formed at Villaverla on 3 July 1918.

    France squadrons in Italy will be next.

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    Nice work here! Another thing that is overlooked (by us gamers and the charts as well) is that the release of a new airplane type to the front did not instantly replace all the older models! For instance, the SPAD 13 started showing up in spring 1918, but many units retained SPAD 7's right up to the Armistice. "SPA 167, for example, was formed in September 1918 and equipped with a mix of twelve SPAD 13s and six SPAD 7s" (Davilla & Soltan). Nieuport 17's served on the Western Front into 1918. Albatros D.IIIs were still flying long after the premier of the D.V and Fokker D.VII. And away from the Western front, their lifetimes stretched even longer.

    I remember the scene in The Blue Max where the commander asks the lead character, "What did you fly in school?" "Obsolete Pfalzs" [D.IIIs, I presume] "Good, that's what you'll be flying here too." "But...."

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    Very interesting site:

    http://albindenis.free.fr/Site_escad...e_centaine.htm

    It's in French, but it tries to cover all French squadrons during WW1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ReducedAirFact View Post
    I remember the scene in The Blue Max where the commander asks the lead character, "What did you fly in school?" "Obsolete Pfalzs" [D.IIIs, I presume] "Good, that's what you'll be flying here too." "But...."
    "Oh, I didn't know flight training was a True-Pfalz test."

    >:)

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    Quote Originally Posted by csadn View Post
    "Oh, I didn't know flight training was a True-Pfalz test."

    >
    It is impossible for a man to begin to learn what he thinks he knows. -- Epictetus

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    Among other great sources of information on this forum, I have run across a link (now forgotten) that had an interactive map showing the Western Front, and hoverable/clickable spots for the aerodromes (time, name and squadrons would pop up). Can't find it anymore, but it is too much detail for a list like the "General Overview".
    It could be this link :

    http://patriot.net/~townsend/WW1AirMap2/index.html

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    Gotha G.V - - - - 1916(10)10-1918(End)End 142 pts
    I have a question about this entry.

    The date range appears to be for GIII - GV; is this because they aren't significantly different?

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    Quote Originally Posted by QB Fox View Post
    I have a question about this entry.

    The date range appears to be for GIII - GV; is this because they aren't significantly different?
    Fox,
    Good call. I was using a summary sheet for most of this, not the 'Available 144 Aircraft Kits and Stats' sheet. So, the listing on the sheet is for Gotha G.IV-G.Vs. Now that I research the dates, the summary sheet appears to match your assessment. I will fix this, and separate the different versions of the aircraft. It also looks like we can use the same model for all the versions, too (like the Caproni I and III).
    Last edited by OldGuy59; 10-09-2014 at 11:21.
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    Is this the coolest game ever ????

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    Quote Originally Posted by monse View Post
    Monse,

    Mille mercies, mon homme!

    Also, thanks to Fox for sorting out the Gothas. More missions with minis!

    PS: *facepalm. Thanks to John for the Italian info.
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    Not necessarily, I think there were a few different versions on engine nacelles and tailgroup--if memory serves the Ares Gotha is a bastard version with mixed G.IV and G.V features.

    I might be wrong... it's another Caffeine Deficient Day so far, so I will double-check and I would suggest others doing same just to keep me honest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diamondback View Post
    Not necessarily, I think there were a few different versions on engine nacelles and tailgroup--if memory serves the Ares Gotha is a bastard version with mixed G.IV and G.V features.

    I might be wrong... it's another Caffeine Deficient Day so far, so I will double-check and I would suggest others doing same just to keep me honest.
    Diamondback,
    I agree, as the info I read mentioned some design changes. Images online seem to agree in side silhouette, though. Smaller or larger engine nacelles, different arcs on the guns (the tail tunnel?), and different fuselage layouts were mentioned. However, the length and wingspan were all the same, and the speed was within 4 kph/mph?

    If I'm suggesting using Sopwith Snipes for Pups, there is less difference in the appearance of the Gothas [excepting the twin tail in some versions]. It will work in a pinch, if we squint at the historical accuracy.
    Mike
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    The Rumpler CIV could be added to the list of german planes serving on italian front :

    In the Italian Aces Osprey page 81 : italian pilot RANZA downed a german Rumpler CIV on January 12th 1918 (instead of a DFW C on the Aerodrome page).
    http://www.theaerodrome.com/aces/italy/ranza.php

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    This is a great thread. Thanks to all who have contributed.
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    Very helpful; I'll cross check it with my self-developed list of "in-service" periods for WWI AC.
    Yours is especially helpful because it also shows where (fronts/areas) the AC were used, and provides other useful info.
    Kudo.
    Bruce

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    Updated with Series 8, awaiting points.
    Mike
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    DH2s were in Salonika with 47 sqdn from Feb-Dec 1917.

    Their main opposition was Friedrichshafen bombers and Halberstadt scouts based in Hudova, Bulgaria.
    Source - Windsock Datafile DH2 pp 4.

    Other sources say Kagohl 1 had Gotha IIIs and AEG G.III/IVs. The Bulgarians had Roland D.IIs not Halberstadts.


    Also there was a Sopwith Triplane (plus strutters... they appear everywhere!)
    One Sopwith Triplane, N.5431, was used in Macedonia. It was on the strength of No. 2 Wing R.N.A.S., and in March, 1917, it was allocated to the new R.N.A.S. unit known as "E" Squadron, which later combined with a Royal Flying Corps detachment to form the Composite Fighting Squadron, based at Hadzi Junas as a countermeasure to the German bomber squadron then operating from Hudova. However, N.5431 never reached Hadzi Junas. It flew first to Stavros; and, in company with four Sopwith 1 1/2 Strutters, set out for Salonika on March 26th, 1917. Its pilot was Flight Lieutenant John Alcock. When landing at Salonika, Alcock made one of the few errors of judgment in his distinguished flying career. He overshot the small aerodrome and wrecked the Triplane. The wreckage was taken back to Mudros and rebuilt. It was still flying from Mudros at the end of September, 1917. On the 30th of that month it was flown by Lieutenant H. T. Mellings when he shot down an enemy single-seat fighter seaplane.
    http://www.aviation-history.com/sopwith/triplane.html

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    Updated with Series 9. Yes, this is waayyy early, but they are coming.
    Mike
    "Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss" Douglas Adams
    "Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59

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    . I do know that William Barker flew Camels in Italy,

    Damn tricky with all those humps and hair but Hey . :Lol :


    I'm learning to fly, but I ain't got wings
    Coming down is the hardest thing

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    Quote Originally Posted by tikkifriend View Post
    . I do know that William Barker flew Camels in Italy,

    Damn tricky with all those humps and hair but Hey . :Lol :
    Thankfully, no camel spiders!
    Mike
    "Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss" Douglas Adams
    "Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59

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