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    The P-51B Mustang had a different performance from the P-51D.
    An A deck is more in line with the P-51B?
    Comments, please.

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    It's pretty much the same as the D, as far as WGS stats go. Guns are B-B/B though.
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    Thanks, Karl.
    I'll use the P-51 deck with the P-51B.

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    I have been trying to research this myself seeing how I am wanting to get some P-51 A and B/C models to add in the game. Looking at the performance of the P-51B/C we see a slightly faster plane than the 51D but I have also heard reports that the extra guns and the thicker wing reduced the maneuverability of the D as well. So I have been trying to find figures and stats but until then I am going to play test two new ideas to represent the B/C in WoG.

    Idea one, use the P deck but add in the extreme sideslips of the R deck (a gentle increase of maneuverability)

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    Use the R deck but without use of the Sideslipes (the more extreme maneuverability option)

    Otherwise keep 19 HP and decrease the armament to BB/B

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    A quick run through of things, the A would have 18 HP, your armament is correct.
    Decks & speed etc, I'll have a think on in the morning, unless Karl chips in before then.
    Need to dig up wing loading and roll rates for each model as well as straight line speed.

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    Just realised all of these are in the unofficial planes spreadsheet...

    Name Deck Short Long Dam Ceiling Climb Base
    NA P-51/Mustang.IA E C-C-C-C C-C 18 9 4 F
    NA P-51A/Mustang.II O** B-B B 18 9 4 F
    NA P-51B/C Mustang P B-B B 18 9 3 F

    O** no 60 degree turns or extreme side slips.

    http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/dow...o=file&id=2136
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord_Ninja View Post
    I have been trying to research this myself seeing how I am wanting to get some P-51 A and B/C models to add in the game. Looking at the performance of the P-51B/C we see a slightly faster plane than the 51D but I have also heard reports that the extra guns and the thicker wing reduced the maneuverability of the D as well. So I have been trying to find figures and stats but until then I am going to play test two new ideas to represent the B/C in WoG.

    Idea one, use the P deck but add in the extreme sideslips of the R deck (a gentle increase of maneuverability)

    orrrrr

    Use the R deck but without use of the Sideslipes (the more extreme maneuverability option)

    Otherwise keep 19 HP and decrease the armament to BB/B
    I've always heard the same--the D had six 50s and better visibility than the B (and wasn't frequently confused with BF-109s to boot), but at least until the H model was introduced, the P-51B/C was the ultimate Mustang in terms of performance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarrylH View Post
    I've always heard the same--the D had six 50s and better visibility than the B (and wasn't frequently confused with BF-109s to boot), but at least until the H model was introduced, the P-51B/C was the ultimate Mustang in terms of performance.
    Problem is we don't have anything faster than either P or R decks. Unless a custom one is made. Something that will have to be done for some of the markedly faster planes.

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    Having a dig through my books here, from what I read there wouldn't be any differences between the B/C & D/K in game terms.
    The top speeds are very similar, they have very close wing loading and roll rates, that you can't really differentiate in Wings of Glory.
    I would say the spreadsheet as it is, is as close as you can get.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foz View Post
    Having a dig through my books here, from what I read there wouldn't be any differences between the B/C & D/K in game terms.
    That sounds about right as these were mostly Rolls-Royce powered with four-bladed propellers. The early Mustang Mk 1s with the original Packard engines and three-bladed propellers would have been significantly different in terms of performance.

    Just as a brief aside - I never knew about the A-36 ground attack version of the Mustang (A-36 Apache) until I saw it available as an aircraft choice playing what is now Warbirds 2016 on my PC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tonx View Post
    That sounds about right as these were mostly Rolls-Royce powered with four-bladed propellers. The early Mustang Mk 1s with the original Packard engines and three-bladed propellers would have been significantly different in terms of performance.

    Just as a brief aside - I never knew about the A-36 ground attack version of the Mustang (A-36 Apache) until I saw it available as an aircraft choice playing what is now Warbirds 2016 on my PC.
    The B/C was a little faster than the D/K, and at least 'felt' more maneuverable, but as Steve says, the differences weren't significant in game terms. The P-51A/A-36/Mustang I were incredible down low, but with Alison engines, did nothing at medium to high altitude. Incidentally, both A-36 pilots and RAF Army Co-Op loved their Alison-engined birds, but once they wore out, they had to be replaced, since they weren't being produced any more.. At least the RAF pilots got Tempests and the like--the Apache pilots had to transition to P-40s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarrylH View Post
    ...the Apache pilots had to transition to P-40s.
    Not all. It depended upon the unit... and timing for that matter. Some transitioned to Merlin-engined P-51s, and at least one received P-47s. The Twelfth Air Force was, at one point (just before it lost a number of FGs to the newly-formed Fifteenth Air Force), flying late-model P-40s, P-51s, and P-47s all at the same time. Can you say "supply nightmare"?



    The Ninth Air Force, by the way, operated both P-47s and P-51s... as well as a FG of P-38s! And one of their FGs -- the 354th -- went from P-51s to P-47s and then back to P-51s in the space of four months...



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