Pour me a Horten 229!
After getting back from Illinois I had a lot of catching up on home projects, but no more!
This one was way too easy, only one part! Carved from a sheet of 3/16" bass wood . . .
Sized next to a Thunderbolt
Ready to pour the mold!
What else can I pour . . . aha! the Westland Lysander is being carved on the next table . . .
No picture David?
See you on the Dark Side......
I see it.
Luftwaffe '46 is alive and well. Now we need new rules.
Karl
It is impossible for a man to begin to learn what he thinks he knows. -- Epictetus
I NEED ONE OF THOSE!!!!!!!!!
I was only doing early WW2, but oh no the dark side is calling again..........what the hell David can I get 2 I might need them some day. They look to good to resist!
It's not the aircraft, it's the way he tells 'em.
Rob.
"Courage is the art of being the only one who knows you're scared to death."
Hopefully you will be able to see the real thing in the not too distant future:
Run for your life - there are stupid people everywhere!
So it begins!
Hmmm......night fighter Me110s searching for a Lysander.......have the Maquis been betrayed.......is the landing field long enough.......young ladies in berets with bicycle lamps.....
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Oh dear, I need to get a third job!
Sounds like an episode of 'allo, allo!'Originally Posted by johnbiggles
I have the flying helmet, the whisk and the wet celery........
Sounds like an episode of 'allo, allo!'
Well he said it only once Wayne.
However, I have said many times how talented our Clipper is, with or without the aid of his Elven throng.
Another masterpiece begins to take shape in his workshop.
Rob.
"Courage is the art of being the only one who knows you're scared to death."
I'm so happy Dave decided to make little planes. I can see how this would end if he decided to take the world all to himself...
Now all we need is a gym sized room to play with the jets! Darn.
See you on the Dark Side......
The Hortens are here!
Just a bit of filling needed!
awesome!!!!The Hortens are here!
Just a bit of filling needed!
awesome!!!!The Hortens are here!
Just a bit of filling needed!
Looking good, David.
Karl
It is impossible for a man to begin to learn what he thinks he knows. -- Epictetus
How many color schemes and units?
Clipper enters the Twighlight Zone, dragging OldGuy59 with him...
Mike
"Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss" Douglas Adams
"Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59
Units? Have no idea, but here are a pair of colors I found and did in sticker format! How lazy is that?
Nothing but clean!
Green with red/yellow bands
Grey splotches (technical term)
In the air!
Bottom side - here the sticker details bring on a lot of detail
For my next two tricks . . .
Mike
"Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss" Douglas Adams
"Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59
For a fictional unit, I'd take a leaf from Gallard's Jagdverband 44 (JV 44). Maybe JV 229
Karl
It is impossible for a man to begin to learn what he thinks he knows. -- Epictetus
Very, very awesome Mike! Thanks!
One goes in a five days vacation and the world changes! Amazing!
Galland's Me-262 group? I thought I'd go with the Special Ops squadron that was flying all sorts of weird stuff at the end of the war. If I knew what unit the "Operational Test and Evaluation Squadron" equivalent was for the Luftwaffe, I'd use that.For a fictional unit, I'd take a leaf from Gallard's Jagdverband 44 (JV 44). Maybe JV 229
Karl
Mike
"Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss" Douglas Adams
"Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59
JG 400 used the Me.163 Komets. KG 200 was their special ops unit; among other things, flying captured B-17s as long range transports for supply and agent dropping.
A lot of fiction has them used as "false-flagged" bombing raids (to make it look like USAAF can't tell the difference between England and Germany) or trying to knock out the trans Urals factories in U the USSR.
They never got the cutting edge stuff, that I've heard of.
I can't think of any other special ops unit, though.
Karl
It is impossible for a man to begin to learn what he thinks he knows. -- Epictetus
Many compliment for the "German Flying Wings"!
How is possible to buy a Kette of these Hortens?
Thanks a lot.
PS I have started the conversion of 3 FW190D in 2 FW 190A8
and 1 TA 152H0 following your instructions.
look what landed at my airfield today
no pilots were aboard when ground crew reached the aircraftground crew reported a strong sylvan scent in the cockpit and reporter finding leaves and other earthy organic bits but this is being rejected out of hand due to its extreme silliness and the apparent excitability of said ground crew (the 1st officer to arrive on scene stated, EMPHATICALLY, that they seemed incoherent and "giddy as schoolboys on christmas morning"
)
THANKS AGAIN CLIPPER FOR YOUR GENEROSITY!!!!!!
These elves of Dave are excellent pilots I was told. Capable of reaching the most extreme locations on Earth. They once flown all the way to Portugal, mind you...
They would love another adventure to Portugal, if they had a request . . .
Now that I know what a "kette" is, I just finished the pour . . . should be winging over the Atlantic soon!
Dear Dave, I'm scratching myself for these for some time now.
But I want nothing from the Elves until the thing I found in a fair in Lisbon reaches you and the elves. You'll be thrilled.
You can find the story here.
My current wishlist is this. Take a pick:
He-111B (Spanish Civil War)
Junkers Ju-86 (Spanish Civil War)
Fw 200
Halifax
Short Stirling
He-177 Greif
B-26 Marauder
B-24 Liberator
God!
The list seems to never end...
Hy Guys
I am working about the Kette of Ho 229 made by Clipper. Thanks Dave
And I have some questions about the flight characteristics to obtain such a "real" cards.
What is you opinion about deck type, Guns (DDDD S, DD L), Damage, Ceiling, climb?
For the base I would use a flighter base.
A question for Mike (Oldguy59) why do you use a HF card not a F card?
The Horten was a small maneuverable aircraft.
I would use a R modified card with more speed in any situation.
What is your opinion?
I am working about some Luftwaffe 46baircrafts!
Thanks for your opinions.
Bye and Stay tuned
Carlo
Carlo,Hy Guys
I am working about the Kette of Ho 229 made by Clipper. Thanks Dave
And I have some questions about the flight characteristics to obtain such a "real" cards.
What is you opinion about deck type, Guns (DDDD S, DD L), Damage, Ceiling, climb?
For the base I would use a flighter base.
A question for Mike (Oldguy59) why do you use a HF card not a F card?
The Horten was a small maneuverable aircraft.
I would use a R modified card with more speed in any situation.
What is your opinion?
I am working about some Luftwaffe 46baircrafts!
Thanks for your opinions.
Bye and Stay tuned
Carlo
The damage is based on a "planned" operational armament of four 30mm cannons, therefore four "D" chits at short range, and two at long range.
I used the Heavy Fighter card for three reasons. The first is wingspan. The Ho-229 had a 55' (16.76 m) wingspan, so bigger than a DH 89 Mosquito at 54' 2" (16.52 m). So, not a small aircraft.
Second, the Ho-229 has two engines.
Third, it was suggested that I use the HF card (I can't recall by whom and in what form, but I wasn't about to argue with them).
There is no official deck for this plane, and I went with the fastest available deck. It's wrong, and may not match the plane's actual performance, but unless you want to make your own deck, it was the fastest available for everyone.
Being that it isn't an official product, you are free to adjust anything, including the card size, as you see fit.
PS: This plane isn't in the Unofficial Stats list. You are at liberty to do as you please.
Last edited by OldGuy59; 10-11-2015 at 09:25.
Mike
"Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss" Douglas Adams
"Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59
Thank you Mike for the prompt answer.
You have persuaded me. HF base and card!
What your opinion for Do 335 card?
I am agree with you for armament.
I am waiting for some suggestions for deck and other characteristics.
How do you consider a plastic extension for R card to simulate the faster velocity?
Bye and Stay Tuned
Carlo
Looking online, the Ho-229 was supposed to be a fast bomber, armed with two 30mm cannons and carry 1000 kgs of bombs. I think we went with the "Defense of the Reich" fighter version, using four cannons and no bombs.Thank you Mike for the prompt answer.
You have persuaded me. HF base and card!
What your opinion for Do 335 card?
I am agree with you for armament.
I am waiting for some suggestions for deck and other characteristics.
How do you consider a plastic extension for R card to simulate the faster velocity?
Bye and Stay Tuned
Carlo
For the Do-335, there is a card for it here: Max Headroom's Do-335 card
This appears to be on a "Fast" card length, and was to be used with extended speed cards from the Forum files. Also, it does have two engines, but like the Me-262, appears on a Fighter width card. Hmmm... Things to think about.
Note: Max Headroom's Ho-229 card
Max Headroom's Me-262 card
OldGuy59 Me-262 cards
It appears we haven't considered the two engine configuration of these planes. Not sure what to do about that, but perhaps someone else can jump in to this with a suggestion? All two engine planes on HF cards?
I don't fly planes later than 1940, so I don't deal with any of these "fast" planes, especially jets. I just do up cards, so you'll have to get movement experts to sort out the maneuver deck issues.
Mike
"Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss" Douglas Adams
"Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59
Thanks Mike
We are waiting for other suggestions by some other "experten"
Bye e Stay Tuned
Carlo
“Solo chi sogna puň volare!”
Carlo, are you in a position to make your own maneuver cards?Thanks Mike
We are waiting for other suggestions by some other "experten"
Bye e Stay Tuned
Carlo
“Solo chi sogna puň volare!”
Karl
It is impossible for a man to begin to learn what he thinks he knows. -- Epictetus
Thank you Mike for the prompt answer.
You have persuaded me. HF base and card!
What your opinion for Do 335 card?
I am agree with you for armament.
I am waiting for some suggestions for deck and other characteristics.
How do you consider a plastic extension for R card to simulate the faster velocity?
Bye and Stay Tuned
CarloCarlo and Karl,
There was this item in the files for higher speed planes, prior to the Fast decks (large playing cards): High Speed Extender Card
Mike
"Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss" Douglas Adams
"Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59
Hy Karl
Ihave already done some cards and modified some other with Photoshop.
But I think that with a fighter with a max speed of more than 500 mph the dimaension of the new movement cards is not ehought!
So I have thought about an extender card.
What's your opinion about?
Bye
Carlo
OK, my thoughts. I based the deck I used in Columbus last spring for a Do.335 on the Bf-109E deck (B deck). This was because when I looked at the turn stats for both in Fighting Wings, they were extremely close. Given that, if you took a B deck, and increased it by 1.70 times, you should have a deck that is usable for the Do.335. Now the short arrows will be a bit short, as those should be based on the plane's cruising speed, which for the D0.335 is 522Kph. That should give the short arrows 4.65cm long. Multiplying the B deck's short arrows by 1.7 will make them 4.2cm. If you feel up to the photoshopping surgery, take the long arrows times 1.7, and the short arrows times 1.90, and merge them on a card. Also, the C and D deck longs are 522Kph, so might be used also.
Simple
Karl'
Last edited by Jager; 10-12-2015 at 13:24. Reason: clearing up the speed as metric
It is impossible for a man to begin to learn what he thinks he knows. -- Epictetus
Sorry Karl
but you are talking about Do 335 or Ho 229.
In any way with a top speed of 522mph if I use your table (WGS Maneuver Decks base speeds of card's arrows) the strait in proportion becames 11.4 cm.
It seems to me too much.
Where do I make mistake?
Bye
Carlo
“Solo chi sogna puň volare!”
I was referring to the Do.335, and the speeds I listed are in kilometers per hour. (retyped the notations).
I did a deck for a game CappyTom ran that he let me bring a Do.335 that Clipper gave me [
I haven't yet looked seriously at any of the 1st gen jets, so I don't know yet what the flight profile of the Horton was, and if it can be matched to a existing deck.
Karl
It is impossible for a man to begin to learn what he thinks he knows. -- Epictetus
I'm going to be throwing together a manuever deck for a Me262 in the next week or so.
Working on the Me262b, which topped out at about 550mph, the fast straight works out at 12.3cm long.
PrinterStudio do a large card (140x88mm), so I was going to base it around that.
Are you sure about the 550mph? A quick check of some sources has the A model at between 540 and 559mph, and you adding a second body and radar drag.
One site I use, WWII vehicles ( http://www.wwiivehicles.com/ ) has the B at 503mph, but data on any of the Me.262 is sparse here.
I'll check more sources when I can.
Karl
It is impossible for a man to begin to learn what he thinks he knows. -- Epictetus
I'm doing my normal lazy start to research and quoting Wikipedia. I'm currently working through various test pilot reports now to refine the speeds, but turning is my current priority, as apparently it burnt off speed in a turn.
I'm also getting my models mixed up, I'm working on the a, not b. Tiredness & dyslexia don't mix well.
No matter; to be fair, all planes bled energy to turn. It's just whether they had power to sustain the speed. Looking at the FW charts, the Me.262 had a higher rate of turn decal than other fighters.
It couldn't keep up speed while turning.
The minimum speed for turns are quite similar to the Fw-190D. Of course, the roll rate was much less (a sterling attribute of the Fw.190s).
Matching maneuver decks can be tough, simply because WGS doesn't address a lot of flight attributes that real life (and other flying games) do.
Karl
It is impossible for a man to begin to learn what he thinks he knows. -- Epictetus
I am afraid looking for a proper maneuver deck and speed features of such specific plane may spoil the fun factor of the game totally, chaps.Do you really think it could be used in a RAP oriented WGS game?
"We do not stop playing when we get old, but we get old when we stop playing."
keep us posted on what a proper maneuver deck for the 229 should look like please!!!!
I think having the deck correct would still be in the spirit of the game. For me doing the Me262 deck is two fold, looking at the history of the plane is interesting, and then trying to shoot one down with a slow prop plane will be bloody frustrating. I like torturing myself. I'm assuming the same can be said for the Horton 229.I am afraid looking for a proper maneuver deck and speed features of such specific plane may spoil the fun factor of the game totally, chaps.
RAP?
As Karl said, the 229 was pretty much only a paper plane, so any deck for it would be an educated guesstimate.
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