Well done, Mike, well done...Originally Posted by OldGuy59
Another try?
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I've put the #3 firing arc over the stats boxes to provide better sight lines. Comments?
Mike
Well done, Mike, well done...Another try?
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I've put the #3 firing arc over the stats boxes to provide better sight lines. Comments?
Mike
It would be better if the overlay was made of thin plastic but I dare say we can all dig out a roll of 'sticky backed plastic', with which to cover the paper one.
Cool maps, Herr Oberst.
Thank you for the information.
Voilà le soleil d'Austerlitz!
Just placed my preorder!
Order placed...
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So now you can start inventing Prague 2015 Big Birds scenario, old FriendOrder placed...Can't wait to shoot down some big ducks
or escort them. But not to fly them
"We do not stop playing when we get old, but we get old when we stop playing."
I had a look on the special pack at the ARES GAMES hompage.
There's a two-sided bonus map in each special pack.
Lancaster "dambuster" version has dams. All other bombers have maps of industrial complexes.
As well as I expected a historic city center map for the second Lancaster bomber "Grog's the Shot".
http://www.aresgames.eu/games/ww2-wi...grogs-the-shot
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Anyone know what the special rules are?
Same as the extra rules in the He.111 & B-25 special packs, I think.
How to handle engine damage with a 4 engined bomber, etc...
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I thought I posted some place that the target "cards" are going to be 21x30 paper posters designed to be placed over the city on the city map. Here is the Eder dam (the other side is the Moehne dam):
The Ares logo is only on these online images, not the actual products.
Hope that some other than me would be like play Lancasters during Operation Chastice - the vision of exact corridor scare me even with minis. Respects to crews
The Dambuster will need some low flying rules because the bouncing bombs were dropped from 60 feet.
These B17's make me want Me 262's / 163's etc so badly... Its funny though, because the movement cards would have to be even bigger than the late war fighters release, they would need a bigger box!
What sort of table space do you think we'll be needing for these bombers!?! iIn terms of Wings of Glory mats.. what do you expect will be the minimum to properly fly around these massive birds!?
I think the 3 regular gaming mats would be a perfect choice.
The bombers come in over the costal side, cross the country and bomb the city/industrial complex/dam on the city map.
I don't think the heavies ars good curve fighters I would let them fly straight out of the smaller edge of the map, turn them around for 180 degrees and let them fly the same way straigth to the home base.
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That makes good sense... give your attacking force time to form back up for another crack..
I wonder what other bombers might be considered in the future.. I would LOVE some PE2's or TU 2's.. but Im guessing a Japanese bomber would take priority..
Vickers Wellington? Dornier 17?
Somehow I don't expect we'll be seeing a Kondor or Sunderland..
A Japanese medium bomber would be cool.
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Oh yes, I would love to have a few Bettys in my collection!
Of course, we need food for our Pacific fighters, Randy.
Ares, where are the promised F4U Corsairs!!
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Sven, as I wait for Ares, I found this: http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/sho...l=1#post313029Of course, we need food for our Pacific fighters, Randy.
Ares, where are the promised F4U Corsairs!!
Got 3 more coming!
Do17 & JU88 please
Zvezda produce a /200 scale model kit of a Ju88. There is another thread on this site discussing 1/182 scale Betty models, which are available from Model Power.
http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/sho...ighlight=Betty
Still not available in the States, as near as I can find
However, AIM has almost everything mentioned here (no Kondors or Sunderlands, but you could ask Clipper about those
And yes, Sven: he has Corsairs, both F4U-1A and F4U-1D models. $4.00 is a good price.
Not shrilling for his business, but he has expanded his offerings in the last 2-3 years, so I wonder if demand from WGS players is driving it?
Karl
Karl
It is impossible for a man to begin to learn what he thinks he knows. -- Epictetus
Got some zvezda Ju88 and some AIM JU88 & Do17s, but would really like to see some official ones
well, frankly, I would too. Just don't know how long we need to wait
Karl
It is impossible for a man to begin to learn what he thinks he knows. -- Epictetus
I'm crying for M-262s and Fw 190s for a long time, but nobody seems to care
WW2 needs Me-262s the way WW1 needs Fokker D.VIIs.... >:)
Exactly right.WW2 needs Me-262s the way WW1 needs Fokker D.VIIs.... >
Karl
It is impossible for a man to begin to learn what he thinks he knows. -- Epictetus
To increase sells? lolWW2 needs Me-262s the way WW1 needs Fokker D.VIIs.... >
Hey, at least the D.VII had a long period of combat service, unlike the Wunderwaffen...
Funny way to spell "to appease the Munchkins", but.... >:)
In the case of the D.VII and the 262, I think both are historically important enough planes to warrant a mini release for them. I'm less convinced about the merit of the Fokker D.VIII though. To me, that one smells of Munchkin-ism a little.
I think they should release the 262 in a dual set with Chuck Yeager's P-51 "Glamorous Glennis III".
"The first time I ever saw a jet, I shot it down." Chuck Yeager.
Capital idea!
Magic the Gathering has sometimes a special funny edition (silver or gold edges). A special edition of Wunderwaffen for WGS would be nice one time. Maybe Me.262, Gloster Meteor, some Japaneese kamikaze machine and Do.335 Pfeil? Just brainstorming, do not take me serious
Hear hear, Chuck sounds like my sort of chap Keith.
Rob.
"Courage is the art of being the only one who knows you're scared to death."
He's a nice guy -- I speak from experience. ;)
I'm in agreement with the idea of keeping the jets as "specials"; they looked and sounded impressive, but really didn't have a bearing on the conflict (Denis Leary: "Too little, too f***in' late, pal").
i like that idea!!!
Me 262 stood in combat from mid 1944 to May 1945.
Fokker D.VII from April 1918 to Nov 1918.
We can't generalize the term Wunderwaffen.
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I will attend the SPIEL 2014 games fair in Essen at saturday. It seem that i will be able to pick up some of the Vier-Mots
I wonder what a combat sortie comparison would show between those two planes?
I think this might be the first opportunity for us to see the final production models... please take lots of pics and share with us.I will attend the SPIEL 2014 games fair in Essen at saturday. It seem that i will be able to pick up some of the Vier-Mots
I will see what i can. They are listed as 30€ and 35€.
I'm surprised at the two different prices. Is one of the planes that much larger than the other?
I am really excited for these! We are now roughly two weeks from November. Are theses still on track for a November release? If so, early in the month or late?
Even if the dambuster Lancaster is a beuty and an important piece of history, isn't it a bit...... limited in its use in a game?
I don't play the WWII version of the game but if I did I'd rather get two "Grog's" that one of each.
With everyone from Ares at SPIEL this week, I doubt we get any updates at all.
We'll see.
We have Bf.110s and Beaufighters in black.
With the Lancasters - all you need for an "at ease" night fight.
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Right.
As I play both versions of the game I can understand Sven's love for the Lancs (which are beautiful planes, no doubt about it), I too think their game usage IS and will be VERY, VERY limited. What bothers me is the ARES publishing policy in the matter. I can understand that US market soaks 60% of their products, thus B-17, P-38, P-51s are their priorities, but I can not understand and will not understand their plane choices AT ALL, when they use their resources to provide the community with planes like Lancasters and we still do not have some of the most popular WGS planes like: Bf 109 F/G, Ki-43 Hayabusa, Il-2 Sturmovik, Macchi 200, 202, Spitfires V, Fw 190A and of course MOSQUITOS or even Japanese medium bombers, to mention the few. [Insted of those ARES will publish Me 410, that saw very little action at all]. I bet their sells would vastly increase with the planes I mentioned. Personally I would bought at least 20 of such models, but I will never ever buy a single Lanc, for I do not think anybody of my group, including me would like to play with it. Night fights? How? And what for? Managing Lanc's crew? Not fun at all.
I am sorry Sven
"We do not stop playing when we get old, but we get old when we stop playing."
I can understand your frustration. As an American, I can say I am ecstatic to see so many of the American planes finally be released over the last couple years. When all we had to represent America through the first couple of sets was a Wildcat, I have to say I was up in arms! The problem with only doing 4 units at a time is that somebody ultimately always gets left out. Every plane you listed as proposed releases is high on my wish list, very high in most cases. I do find the Axis choices for series 7 a tad odd myself. Why pick the Tojo over the Oscar? The only thing I can think of is the fact that the Tojo ended up being a great interceptor over the Japanese homeland during the B-29s raids late in the war. The same goes for the ME-410, it was an interceptor. But still, I get and agree with your frustration. We are getting the Heavies in the next 45-60 days, however we won't be seeing series 7 for at least a year and more than likely a year and half. While there are plenty of other aircraft to take on the Heavies, the argument that series 7 is in support of the Heavies release comes across to me anyway, as quite a stretch. I am not saying that Keith or those at Ares are lying to us, there is no reason to believe that, it is simply the long delays between releases at times can make this seem unlikely to matter much as far as synergy to sell more aircraft. That being said, Ares and for that matter keith know a lot more than I do, so perhaps they will be able to bring series 7 to market a lot faster than anticipated by prior release schedules. If we aren't going to see series 6 until May/June 2015, then the Midway/BOB make sense as a late 2015 release. Where does that put series 7? Early 2016 at best. Perhaps, they will just dump a bunch all on the market in a couple of months and let us start complaining about how we can't afford to keep up. One thing I have learned about table top gaming is if it isn't one thing, it is another!! There will always be something to laud and always something to gripe about!Right.
As I play both versions of the game I can understand Sven's love for the Lancs (which are beautiful planes, no doubt about it), I too think their game usage IS and will be VERY, VERY limited. What bothers me is the ARES publishing policy in the matter. I can understand that US market soaks 60% of their products, thus B-17, P-38, P-51s are their priorities, but I can not understand and will not understand their plane choices AT ALL, when they use their resources to provide the community with planes like Lancasters and we still do not have some of the most popular WGS planes like: Bf 109 F/G, Ki-43 Hayabusa, Il-2 Sturmovik, Macchi 200, 202, Spitfires V, Fw 190A and of course MOSQUITOS or even Japanese medium bombers, to mention the few. [Insted of those ARES will publish Me 410, that saw very little action at all]. I bet their sells would vastly increase with the planes I mentioned. Personally I would bought at least 20 of such models, but I will never ever buy a single Lanc, for I do not think anybody of my group, including me would like to play with it. Night fights? How? And what for? Managing Lanc's crew? Not fun at all.
I am sorry Sven
I say bring em all on! As fast as they can manage!
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Getting the heavies now is part game play and part marketing.
Game play
By giving intoroducing heavies into the game, they give players more scenario options. More and different fighters are always great, but the game play does not change... just more dogfights. Besides just scenario options, the heavies give the option for a more complete campaign possiblity. We don't have all the needed fighters yet to play from start to finish, but you can fudge the figher part with current released minis... not so much if heavies don't even exist.
Marketing
Just like high performance sports cars for a car company, these heavies give WGS some much needed eye candy. The 1/200 scale means everything is small out on the table and these large planes will help draw attention to said table. This plays very well in to games ran at Conventions... something Ares is wanting to encorage as it helps grow the game.
As for how long it will take Series 7 to come to market, I think Ares actually plans for two releases per year. But as we know, production delays (for whatever reason) keep this from happening. Even production bandwidth could be a hurttle for them. But as a company, Ares has to look at the game as a system, not as individual releases. Even if it takes 2 years to get complamentry planes out, they still have to come out.
For the Lanc, I would not be surprised to see official night fight rules released in the next 2 years. They are slowing giving us the minis to do night missions, so it seems like a natural step for them to take... once again giving more varity to game play.
Sounds reasonably
Not every player must like the heavies and play them
If it is - as you wrote - good for Ares and the giants would draw newcomers' attention, then why not?
Fortunately there is a well developed "unofficial" market of the minis
What I find a real change and a marketing HIT is Aerodrome AccessoriesJu 88, SM 79, Fiat Br 20 and even the Blohm&Voss! Order placed!
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