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Thread: B-17s and Lancasters now available for pre-orders!

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    Default B-17s and Lancasters now available for pre-orders!

    Most of you know by now that we are getting two versions of the Avro Lancaster B Mk.III, the "Grog's the Shot" and a "Dambuster". We are also getting a B-17F "Memphis Belle" and a B-17G "A Bit of Lace". These new four engine bombers are now on pre-order at Aerodrome Accessories. They are due for release in October and the retail price is $34.90.










    Pre-order the set through the AA store and you can pick them up for $24.99 and each order will get a free set of Bomber Special Damage Markers (only on order placed before Oct 27th).


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    Very nice, very nice indeed.

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    Might that headline actually intend to be PRE-orders?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kduke42 View Post
    Might that headline actually intend to be PRE-orders?
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    lol, thanks for catching that.

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    Well,
    I guessed right on the maneuver deck, but the damage is 50! Is this because of the armor, self-sealing fuel tanks and redundant structure? We estimated this plane at 44. Quite a difference.

    Also on the B-17F (just looking to update my cards with the "approved" versions):
    The #2 gun is a 200 degree forward firing arc? What is that, a chin turret?

    Is there some mis-coloring on the base for arcs 6&7? 6 appears to be the Right Waist Gunner, and 7 the Tail Gunner, both are yellow on the side panel.

    Any input/suggestions?

    Mike
    Last edited by OldGuy59; 07-17-2014 at 08:39.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGuy59 View Post
    Well,
    I guessed right on the maneuver deck, but the damage is 50! Is this because of the armor, self-sealing fuel tanks and redundant structure? We estimated this plane at 44. Quite a difference.

    Mike
    Fifty looks about right to me. lol

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    Order placed, bombs away!
    Run for your life - there are stupid people everywhere!

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    Daniel, the Lancaster guns are A because they were .303 Brownings. You will notice that the tail turret has 4 Brownings and so is a B. The B-17, of course, had .50 Browning machine guns.

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    I like the look of them, but am mulling over which ones to get and in what numbers, considering that none of them figured in the Malta siege, but I have to have at least one Lanc.
    Rob.
    "Courage is the art of being the only one who knows you're scared to death."

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    Are the bases bigger than the B-25 and He-111 bases?

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    Nice planes, Herr Oberst.

    Unfortunately I need them all...
    Voilŕ le soleil d'Austerlitz!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Naharaht View Post
    Daniel, the Lancaster guns are A because they were .303 Brownings. You will notice that the tail turret has 4 Brownings and so is a B...
    Beside this the front gunner's and the rear gunner's position of the Lancaster's base are marked with Position 1.

    ...and the Dam Buster version has a third gunner position on it's base.
    Voilŕ le soleil d'Austerlitz!

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    I suppose I might get them for the sake of completeness; but I can't imagine they'll be very interesting to use -- "move in straight line; hope the fighters don't draw damage worth a damn".

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    I really like the Lancasters for a develpment of night fighter missions & rules. ("Schräge Musik" )

    Got a Beaufigther and two Bf.110 in night camouflage.

    Maybe I'll run a scenario at Prague Summer Con with them next year.
    Voilŕ le soleil d'Austerlitz!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Naharaht View Post
    Daniel, the Lancaster guns are A because they were .303 Brownings. You will notice that the tail turret has 4 Brownings and so is a B. The B-17, of course, had .50 Browning machine guns.
    Yes, but Stuka has 2x 7,92 mm (= A deck) in front and 1x 7,92 mm (= A deck too) in the rear. I think we need a half A deck


    By the way, Lancaster Mk.III has 2x 7,7 mm in front (= A deck), 2x 7,7 mm in turret (= A deck) and 4x 7,7 mm (= B deck), but the colour of the circle No.3 is white, so it looks there will be a B deck for turret and A for rear gunner

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    The numbers on the bases in the pictures aren't correct.
    Voilŕ le soleil d'Austerlitz!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marechallannes View Post
    The numbers on the bases in the pictures aren't correct.
    Obviously

    Edit: But the B gun should be in red (not white) circle.
    Last edited by Dan-Sam; 07-17-2014 at 15:28.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan-Sam View Post
    Obviously

    Edit: But the B gun should be in red (not white) circle.
    Dan,

    We'll have to wait for someone to get their hands on them. They look messed up to me. The base for the Lanc has two "1" arcs, and no "2" or "3". I can only assume the "3" is supposed to be the tail gun. So, for the two gun position Lanc, there is one too many arcs.

    The "2" should be the top turret, and it should be a white center.

    Mike

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGuy59 View Post
    Dan,

    We'll have to wait for someone to get their hands on them. They look messed up to me. The base for the Lanc has two "1" arcs, and no "2" or "3". I can only assume the "3" is supposed to be the tail gun. So, for the two gun position Lanc, there is one too many arcs.

    The "2" should be the top turret, and it should be a white center.

    Mike
    Mike, I understand what you are traying to say, but if No. 3 (B damage) should be for tail gunner, there is no reason why he could fire only to the same and higher altitude. So the tail gunner would have a red circle, not white one. This seems that B damage are from turret gun, but there were only two 7.7 mm guns.

    PS: sorry for milimetres, but I can not counting immediately imperials.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan-Sam View Post
    Mike, I understand what you are traying to say, but if No. 3 (B damage) should be for tail gunner, there is no reason why he could fire only to the same and higher altitude. So the tail gunner would have a red circle, not white one. This seems that B damage are from turret gun, but there were only two 7.7 mm guns.
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    Dan,
    We are in agreement, just not expressing it well. It depends on what the firing arcs are supposed to be. The base on both Lanc versions have only "1" arcs indicated, but three gunners. If the "3" arc is B damage, then it should be for the tail gun, with 4 .303 (7.62mm) machine guns. The tail gun should be good for all altitudes, and therefore solid red (I'm not sure how the WGS system works for firing arcs, so I could be messed up, too). The B-17 firing arcs show the dorsal turret as white centered ("2" on the F, and "3" on the G). This should be firing arc "2" for the dorsal turret on the second Lanc. If ARES intended the "3" arc to be the dorsal turret, then "2" should be solid red, and "B" damage at short range. In any event, it is messed up, from what I can determine using the posted pictures.

    Does that help with explaining what I mean? I think we actually agree.

    Mike

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    Yeah, I know we are in compliance, I just tried to point another thing But you are right - there are everything clear now
    I think Lanc turret could have 360° to the same.and higher altitude, so there would not be a necessary to have the third arc.

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    Can't wait to see what our outstanding painters do with these. I think I will only get one of each for the first buy but after that might have to have a few more B-17's.

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    Anybody else suffer from Schizophrenia, I suddenly found an email from Keith saying thankyou for your order, what order I thought! Oh yes the four new bombers. I'm going to have to double the medication!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brambo View Post
    Anybody else suffer from Schizophrenia, I suddenly found an email from Keith saying thankyou for your order, what order I thought! Oh yes the four new bombers. I'm going to have to double the medication!!!!!!
    Thank you for your order Trev.
    Dried Frog pills are packed and ready for shipping.
    Kyte.
    "Courage is the art of being the only one who knows you're scared to death."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oberst Hajj View Post
    ... Avro Lancaster B Mk.III, the "Grog's the Shot" ...



    ...
    I think the base is messed up, and to illustrate what I think it should be is in the Plane Card below.

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    I wasn't going to do a Lanc card, as there were going to be an "official card" released. Silly boy, there will be custom paint jobs. The template is coming together. If the "official plane card" is like the base above, it might be prudent to have an alternative.

    Mike

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    Nice plane card Mike, but I'm afraid your Lancaster isn't in the middle of the card, is respectively too small.
    Voilŕ le soleil d'Austerlitz!

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    Any statements from Ares Games about the wrong Lancaster bases (pictures)?

    (...wrong numbers on bases and the dam buster version has a non existent 3rd gunner position on the base.)

    I would not order order them with an incorrect base.
    Voilŕ le soleil d'Austerlitz!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marechallannes View Post
    Nice plane card Mike, but I'm afraid your Lancaster isn't in the middle of the card, is respectively too small.
    Yes, I threw this card together a bit fast. It does show the right arcs, as I think they should be. I was trying to save work between the Plane and Management cards. That does affect playability, so I will have to fix that.

    Should the plane be scaled to 1/200 wingspan? Should all planes be scaled on all cards?

    Mike

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    The plane card and firing arcs should fit to the used base.
    Voilŕ le soleil d'Austerlitz!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marechallannes View Post
    The plane card and firing arcs should fit to the used base.
    Sorry for being confused. The plane image needs to be bigger. However, the actual plane is bigger than the base.

    How much bigger should the image be?

    Mike

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    Now I'm getting confused Mike. Maybe it is because I don't play using the cards, but only use them if planes are on top of each other on the table, but as far as I can see the size of the aircraft is immaterial as long as the red dot and arcs are correctly positioned and in proportion in relationship to each other and distance from the card edges.
    Rob.
    "Courage is the art of being the only one who knows you're scared to death."

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGuy59 View Post
    ... The plane image needs to be bigger. However, the actual plane is bigger than the base.

    How much bigger should the image be?

    Mike
    You are right Mike.

    Of course the bomber is bigger then his base.

    As long as the firing arcs and the red dots on the card fits 100 % to the base of the use miniature you can make the plane on the card as big as you want or want it to fit.

    We don't speak about the crew management card. Size doesn't matter there.
    Voilŕ le soleil d'Austerlitz!

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    Can you tell us how long until this deal is up? Have to wait until next week for my paycheck and I'll place an order ASAP!

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    That B17 looks peachy. I believe I had the Airfix model of a bit of lace some 40 odd yrs ago :


    I'm learning to fly, but I ain't got wings
    Coming down is the hardest thing

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    Order placed. They look really good!

    Ron

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    As with all of the initial production ready photos Ares puts out, the bases are not real. They are mock ups only and used just to show the miniatures as they will go into production.


    Quote Originally Posted by alpine View Post
    Can you tell us how long until this deal is up? Have to wait until next week for my paycheck and I'll place an order ASAP!
    Oh, you have plenty of time.

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    Okay, just confirmed with Ares, for the standard Lanc, the 2nd firing arc is the white circle. On the dam buster, there is no number 3 firing arc.

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    The B-17 mini (is it the right word?) is slowly growing on me, but the crew/engine management may be kind of hell...
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    "We do not stop playing when we get old, but we get old when we stop playing."

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    ...if you can handle a WGS He.111 or a WGF Zeppelin Staaken, you can handle a WGS B-17 too, wingman.

    Extended crew damage seems to be a must have for those heavies.
    Voilŕ le soleil d'Austerlitz!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oberst Hajj View Post
    Okay, just confirmed with Ares, for the standard Lanc, the 2nd firing arc is the white circle. On the dam buster, there is no number 3 firing arc.
    Thank you for this clarification, Herr Oberst.



    I'll order next month.






    Do we know anything about the (planed) map lay-over-pieces for the Lancaster dam buster version?
    Last edited by Marechallannes; 07-21-2014 at 11:35.
    Voilŕ le soleil d'Austerlitz!

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    That clinches it for me also Keith.
    Rob.
    "Courage is the art of being the only one who knows you're scared to death."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marechallannes View Post
    Nice plane card Mike, but I'm afraid your Lancaster isn't in the middle of the card, is respectively too small.
    Another try?

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    I've put the #3 firing arc over the stats boxes to provide better sight lines. Comments?

    Mike

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    Perfect, Mike.


    ...again:

    Does anyone know if in the dambuster special pack map tiles are included?

    A dam for example...
    Voilŕ le soleil d'Austerlitz!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marechallannes View Post
    Does anyone know if in the dambuster special pack map tiles are included?

    A dam for example...
    Yes, I just found out. It is going to be a double sided paper poster designed to work as an overlay to the City Game mat. It will measure 21cm x 30cm and you will place it over the city portion of that mat. Side A (shown below) is of the Eder dam and Side B will be of the Moehne dam.




    Enjoy!

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    OOOH Happy days :


    I'm learning to fly, but I ain't got wings
    Coming down is the hardest thing

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    What a corker.
    I guess I'll have to get two planes now.
    Rob.
    "Courage is the art of being the only one who knows you're scared to death."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flying Officer Kyte View Post
    What a corker.
    I guess I'll have to get two planes now.
    Rob.
    Okay... How do I convince SWMBO that I need Lancasters as well... Hmmm

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