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Thread: P40s versus Hayabusas

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    Last Saturday I had an opportunity to arrange a clash between two official P40s versus 3 of my unofficial AIM Ki43 Hayabusa minis of which official Nexus cards are provided.
    The 3 Hayabusas were piloted by veteran players of my group: Sławek and his two brave sons: Filip and Maciek, while the 2 P40s were taken by me and Darek, my usual gaming buddy. No altitude rules, so ignore the dials, please.
    The fight ended with a devastating result for the Japanese side. All 3 Ki43s were shot down. I scored 2 of them, Darek one. Our tactics was to engage them in a close distance, when BBB against their B is a real hell.
    P40s left the battle almost undamaged (several points apiece).
    Some free hand shots are below. A fun game, but the Japanese pilots must rethink their tactics definitely...









    A great moment of the crossfire, taking the target down on the spot


    The last Samurai is going to reach his destiny...


    in the waves...


    A good game it was
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    Amazing photos Andy.
    Where did you find the official cards for the Ki-43?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackronin View Post
    Amazing photos Andy.
    Where did you find the official cards for the Ki-43?
    They were published by NEXUS and were included in one of the sets/boxes. Probably the Dawn of War starter, but I am not sure...
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    I don't have Dawn of War.
    I'll check that.
    Thanks.

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    A graphic illustration of the value of Cubic Firepower in this game.

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    There were 3 cards in Max Headroom's files but I can't get the small picture to enlarge when I click on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coog View Post
    There were 3 cards in Max Headroom's files but I can't get the small picture to enlarge when I click on it.
    Bobby,
    Please try Karl's [Jager] album of Max Headroom's cards: Restored WWII Japanese Planes.

    Mike

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightbomber View Post
    A good game it was
    Yes indeed. I can see you're still much in WGS after the Con.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGuy59 View Post
    Bobby,
    Please try Karl's [Jager] album of Max Headroom's cards: Restored WWII Japanese Planes.

    Mike
    Once again, thank you Mike.

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    Very different and what an astoundingly clear victory.
    Thanks for sharing this with us Andy. There are some really interesting offshoot games going on at the moment.
    Rob.
    "Courage is the art of being the only one who knows you're scared to death."

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    Andy

    I had the same experience flying KI-43`s. I had two Oscars shot down with minimal return damage.


    Rich

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    WGS over-states firepower unfortunately. You get a better game if every time you fire fixed guns you draw an additional A chit.
    This will increase BBB to BBBA - a bit. But increases A to AA - a doubling of effectiveness.
    If you also double range for shots outside the rear firing arc, it gets even more accurate as a simulation, and I think also gives a better game.

    With the Ki-43, it gets doubly penalised - it should really have one 90' turn in the deck, as should the A6M2. As it is, it's not appreciably more maneuverable than a P-40, is significantly slower, and has only 1/3 the armament. So with standard stats, it's only at best half as good, more like 1/3.

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    I completely agree with you, Zoe.
    And though they really have inferiro armament truth is, they were lethal fighters with impressive scores of shooting down enemy planes.

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    My PTO Hose Rules

    After the first mission I decided that something must be made to achieve the true feeling of Eastern early war combat.
    All accounts point to a drastic difference in performance between the Zero and Ki-43 and the allied fighters. We can't feel that difference between C deck and the other decks.
    Also, even knowing that the Ki-43 was brutally under-armed, the truth is, a vast number of allied fighters and bombers fell under the guns of this fighter.
    And finally the 16 damage the zero has comparing with the 17 and 18 damage points of the American fighters doesn't really shows how much more fragile the Japanese fighters were in the initial stages of the war.

    In order to offset this and without wanting to change the spirit of the game or making it more complex I devised the following house rules that I'll use in my Solo PTO Campaign:

    1. The C+ deck - I add 1 left and 1 right 90ş turn card from the L deck. The ki-43 Hayabusa and the A6M2 Zero will use the C+ decl instead of the C deck.
    2. No self sealing fuel tanks - The early versions of the Japanese planes didn't have self sealing fuel tanks. A damage chip of smoke becomes automatically a fire chip.
    3. No cockpit protection armor - When a Japanese plane takes a pilot wounded damage take another yellow damage chit. If a special damage (any) appears in the chit, the pilot is mortally wounded and the plane crashes. If not, it's a normal wounded damage and a second one will kill the pilot as per normal rules.
    4. Angling Shots - All shots that don't enter the enemy plane in its rear arc are always long range shots. All close range shots that enter the enemy's plane rear arc at close range add an A damage chit. This extra damage chit adds to the extra A damage chit for continuous fire (i.e. firing against the same enemy plane for consecutive turns. Example: A ki-43 is firing for the second consecutive time against a P-40 in the P-40 rear arc at close range. It would make AAB damage.

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    Great job! The mat looks great. Do you have a photo of the whole mat?
    If you can get a 1/2 inch punch you can make discs for propellers for your planes.

    Thomas

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    Thanks, Tom!
    I will have to make the discs. Got the clear thin plastic, now the punch...
    The whole mat can be seen here

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightbomber View Post
    Thanks, Tom!
    I will have to make the discs. Got the clear thin plastic, now the punch...
    The whole mat can be seen here

    Sweet! We are playing today. Got some 190s and P-51s going up against each other.

    Thomas

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    Have fun and let provide us with an AAR, please
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightbomber View Post
    Have fun and let provide us with an AAR, please
    OK



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