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  1. #201

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teaticket View Post
    Before this starts I have a few Shapeways to paint up myself. 2 Bristol Scouts, 2 RAF BE2Cs, 4 Vicker Gunbus', 3 RAF FE2Bs, 4 Rumpler CIs, 2 Morane Salnier Ps, 1 RAF FE8, 4 Sopwith 1 1/2 Strutters, 1 Albatross DII, 2 Seimens-Schukert DI, 2 Fokker D Vs... I know I won't get then done in time but will work on then as I can. At least I know I should be able to cover most of the scenarios!


    I'm learning to fly, but I ain't got wings
    Coming down is the hardest thing

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    Just been checking out the Advanced Solo Charts we will be using for the campaign and noted some deficiencies - No T, V (J*), G*, R or U deck charts & the A/B/S chart doesn't cater for a B deck (it has 3 side slips). However, having gone over them this morning they can be covered by existing charts that have the same manoeuvres:
    A/B/S chart can be used for T/V (J*) decks;
    the D chart can be used for the U deck;
    The K+H chart can be used for G* and
    the J chart can be used for R and the B deck too (Rather than A/B/S).
    There is no advanced X chart but as they are ponderous beasties the original Richard Bradley chart will suffice.
    Links are also posted in the OTT ED Rules sticky
    Last edited by flash; 04-15-2014 at 01:36.

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  5. #205

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    As the header suggests I'm finalising the campaign rules for OTT Early Doors so please go to the sticky and re-read them.
    I have been tweaking and paring bits away - like the optional morale rules - if you have any issues then please let me know asap

    "He is wise who watches"

  6. #206

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    Dave, have you tried using the advanced B-alb-dv deck from tyneside? I found it worked really well.

    On another note can anyone tell me why the fe2b base from MA rear arc is the way it is, is it for above and behind rear fire?

    Forgot to add.
    Read the updates sir.
    With fast.git on this. I believe a beverage will be winging it's way via salute to you for all your legwork.
    Last edited by Twisted_terrain; 03-31-2014 at 03:23.

  7. #207

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    Rules look good... thanks for the time!

  8. #208

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twisted_terrain View Post
    On another note can anyone tell me why the fe2b base from MA rear arc is the way it is, is it for above and behind rear fire?
    It certainly is!

  9. #209

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    Warning Order

    Gentlemen - look to the skies - there have been reports of impending enemy activity ....

    Some emanating from down under !

    Now excuse me as I may be off line for a few days.

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    I am impressed with those rules Dave. They actually address a lot of the quibbles that I have had with altitude and te angle of dangle when firing at targets above or below. There are a couple of things I don't care for but nothing that it is worth opening Pandora's box over, so I'm right behind your amendments.
    Thanks for all your effort.
    Rob.
    "Courage is the art of being the only one who knows you're scared to death."

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    Thanks Dave.
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  12. #212

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    Rules are good for me Dave . Thanks for putting them up.


    I'm learning to fly, but I ain't got wings
    Coming down is the hardest thing

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    Notes about the Bristol Scout C
    The Bristol Scout at this time had no standard gun placement. The following table reflects this:

    1. Single gun mounted on left side of fuselage at a 30-45 degree angle to avoid shooting through propeller arc.
    2. Single gun mounted on right side of fuselage at a 30-45 degree angle to avoid shooting through propeller arc.
    3. Single gun mounted on top of fuselage shooting through propeller arc; propeller covered with metal deflectors to avoid damage. This configuration was on RNAS planes only.
    4. Single gun mounted in the center of top wing angled slightly upward to avoid propeller arc.
    5. Two guns with one mounted on each side of fuselage at 30-45 degree angle to avoid shooting through propeller arc. Only one gun would be able to fire at any one target.
    6. Two guns mounted in center of top wing angled slightly upward to avoid propeller arc.

    Player may pick or roll a d6 for configuration used by plane(s) being flown. In the case of 3 if an RFC pilot substitute a gun mounted on the left of the fuselage at a 30-45 degree angle to avoid shooting through propeller arc AND a wing mounted gun. Only one gun would be able to fire at any one target.

    Also note that when using configurations 1, 2 or 5 each gun only has half the normal firing arc (also 3 for the gun on the fuselage in the case of RFC planes). So a gun mounted on the left would only be able to fire at enemy planes left of center and guns mounted on the right only right of center. Wing mounted guns have no restriction.

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    In my research of early war aces I have found a wealth of information that could help narrow the windows on what planes are available when. For example I found a Bristol Scout C being flown by a South African Pilot scoring a kill against Fokker E-type in August 1916. Cool stuff!

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    Quote Originally Posted by WWIflyingace View Post
    In my research of early war aces I have found a wealth of information that could help narrow the windows on what planes are available when. For example I found a Bristol Scout C being flown by a South African Pilot scoring a kill against Fokker E-type in August 1916. Cool stuff!
    That's great Chuck, want to put up a thread ?
    :


    I'm learning to fly, but I ain't got wings
    Coming down is the hardest thing

  16. #216

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    Yes please Chuck.
    The more information we get the better.
    Rob.
    "Courage is the art of being the only one who knows you're scared to death."

  17. #217

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    Okay Sure, but I only have one entry to begin with...

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    Here are some changes to the beginning service dates based on my research:

    In Service
    ADD:
    Morane Parasol N
    Nieuport 10 (RNAS)
    Ago C.I


    March 1916
    DELETE:
    Morane Parasol N

    August 1916
    ADD:
    Albatros D.I

    September 1916
    DELETE:
    Albatros D.I


    Details in "Early War aircraft active dates" Thread
    Last edited by WWIflyingace; 04-10-2014 at 17:33.

  19. #219

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    I'll be getting my new shapeways order soon. When I paint up the FE2s, they'll be equipped with the pilot's gun option.

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    The gunner must have been quite nervous with that pointing at his back! (or his crotch!!!)

  21. #221

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    Quote Originally Posted by WWIflyingace View Post
    Here are some changes to the beginning service dates based on my research:

    In Service
    ADD:
    Morane Parasol N
    Nieuport 10 (RNAS)
    Ago C.I


    March 1916
    DELETE:
    Morane Parasol N

    August 1916
    ADD:
    Albatros D.I

    September 1916
    DELETE:
    Albatros D.I


    Details in "Early War aircraft active dates" Thread
    The Alb D.I is in September as it arrived in the very last days of August (according to my research), it also gives the Halberstadts their moment in the sun; there is no Morane parasol N in March 16 to delete (that's the MS type N mono plane ! Was there a parasol N ?). I have added the other 'in service' aircraft if you have any service end dates that would help complete the entry, esp for the AGO on which there is very little info.
    Last edited by flash; 04-13-2014 at 09:07.

    "He is wise who watches"

  22. #222

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    Quote Originally Posted by flash View Post
    if you have any service end dates that would help complete the entry, esp for the AGO on which there is very little info.
    The trouble is it is so long AGO - seriously, I have an AGO C.II I will be using in the campaign, but have not been able to find anything much beyond info that the production figures were only 15!, that the C.I was introduced into service in June '15 and the C.II in "1915" (so presumably post June as it was a refinement of the C.I), and that "The C.II only served in the German air force for about one year before being replaced by more conventional and modernized aircraft."

    So up to now I have worked on it being in service for the start of the campaign, and falling out of service by September 1916 (always assuming that our campaign doesn't have all 15 examples - or 13 if you discount the seaplane variant apparently - shot down before then )

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    That's more than I could find Brian - I will make it so until more info appears !

    "He is wise who watches"

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    Quote Originally Posted by flash View Post
    The Alb D.I is in September as it arrived in the very last days of August (according to my research), it also gives the Halberstadts their moment in the sun; there is no Morane parasol N in March 16 to delete (that's the MS type N mono plane ! Was there a parasol N ?). I have added the other 'in service' aircraft if you have any service end dates that would help complete the entry, esp for the AGO on which there is very little info.
    Sorry, I focused on the 'N' I guess. No what I mean the N parasol flown by Captain Grenfell. I haven't gone far enough to catch many end service dates, but I will send updates when I do.

  25. #225

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    Quote Originally Posted by WWIflyingace View Post
    ... No what I mean the N parasol flown by Captain Grenfell....
    Still can find no reference to a Morane Saulnier N parasol Chuck.
    No1 squadron had MS parasols - type L - for sure. If you mean the type N then that is not a parasol.
    What circumstance was Capt Grenfell flying the type N if that's what it was ?

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    The listing of aces I found shows lt eustace Osborne grenfell scoring six victories in a moraine parasol n between 13 September 1915 and 17 January 1916. He shot down three albatros c-types and three fokkers during that period. It was a one seat aircraft. Could be a misprint and maybe they meant the L. It does however list the aircraft type six times...

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    Well, it's one or the other not both !
    Searching on his name I came across this on Wiki - the source being the aerodrome forum:

    "Grenfell scored his first aerial victory on 13 September 1915, flying a Morane-Saulnier and driving down an Albatros reconnaissance plane. He used the Morane-Saulnier L, which was the world's first airplane built with a gun firing forward through the propeller. Grenfell used this same crude early fighter to shoot down a second Albatros recce plane on 7 December 1915.
    By January 1916, Grenfell had upgraded to a Morane "Bullet", which he used in a quadruple victory on the 17th. On that day, in a forty minute dogfight over the Houthoulst Forest, he drove down a Fokker Eindekker, forced another to land, put another one out of control, and drove down an Albatros two-seater."

    Yet when I looked at the forum they listed the aircraft flown as a Morane parasol N for all those kills ! Something is amiss here. Interesting too that the only ref is the aerodrome forum.
    Having drilled down through the aerodrome forum links I think there is sufficient evidence to move the MS type N to Jan16 (where I had it originally !!) this will also extend the life of the models in play for those who have them.
    Last edited by flash; 04-15-2014 at 01:40.

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    A MS Parasol verification would be nice as I just got two of them. Probably not going to make this campaign but they will get used.

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    As best I can tell Pete - the main parasol types (those with wings above the fuselage) we need be concerned with are types L, LA, P and maybe the AR.

  30. #230

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    Shapeways makes the 'L' and 'P', I have a couple of the 'P' type. I'll put in a search or two and see if I find anything.
    Last edited by Teaticket; 04-15-2014 at 09:58.

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    A couple of days to go until engines start Gentleman, thanks to those who have responded to the pm. Two chaps, one from each side, have opted out so far due to real life commitments, I hope they both get back in the cockpit soon. I take it the rest of us are in !

    Dave (flash) Entente - YES
    Rob (Kyte) Entente - YES
    Trev (Brambo) Central Powers - NO
    Neil (Skafloc) Central Powers - YES
    John (Johnbiggles) Entente - ?
    Rob (Moonsylver) Central Powers - NO
    Shawn (diceslinger) Entente - YES
    Brian (Archidamus) Entente - YES
    Ryan (rkwright) Central Powers - YES
    Paul (Tikkifriend) Entente - YES
    Chris (Fast.git) Central Powers - YES
    Pete (Teaticket) Central Powers - YES
    Eric (7eat51) Entente - NO
    Si (Twisted_terrain) Central Powers - YES
    Chuck (WW1flyingace) Entente - YES
    Anthony (Tusekine) Central Powers - YES
    Barry (Gullyraker) Entente - YES
    Andrzej (Nightbomber) Central Powers - YES
    John (jbmacek) Central Powers - NO
    Last edited by flash; 04-29-2014 at 21:38.

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    It is with great regret that I do this, but I'm going to have to step out.

    A little over three weeks ago my dad had a mild heart attack. At first they thought they could repair the blockage with stents, then they discovered he had blockage in three arteries. To add insult to injury, out of nowhere the doctors found he was suffering from stage four kidney disease, too. This makes doing stents even more complicated (due to the contrast fluid needing to be filtered by the kidneys, possibly causing kidney failure). They thought they would go for a triple bypass, then changed their minds and tried a stent instead, but ripped the artery. After recovering from a blood clot after that surgery, they sent him up to Johns Hopkins' main hospital. Last week he was finally going to have the bypass, but his blood test showed his kidneys still too weak, so it was canceled. Some kidney specialists were brought in, and their idea was "we can do a stent for your kidney." Sure enough, they could. His kidneys went from 54% blockage to 0% blockage. Now that they think they have the kidney condition straightened out, he is back on the list for the triple bypass, maybe this Thursday, maybe Friday.

    Long story short, my free time lately has been severely limited, and I have no idea what may come in the weeks ahead.

    So, my profuse apologies.

    Someone shoot down some Entente for me!

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    I'm sorry to hear about your father, John! Best of luck to him , and here's hoping you'll be able to return to the campaign at some point in the near future.

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    John no need to apologise. Family first is the way it has to be. Good luck to your father in the coming weeks and hope to see you in the next few months.
    Paul


    I'm learning to fly, but I ain't got wings
    Coming down is the hardest thing

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    Quote Originally Posted by jbmacek View Post



    Someone shoot down some Entente for me!
    John, so sorry to hear all that, but great news about the kidney blockage being removed! Let me know if there is anything I can do, besides shooting down some Tommies.

  36. #236

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    Quote Originally Posted by flash View Post
    A couple of days to go until engines start Gentleman, thanks to those who have responded to the pm.
    Reporting for duty! Ready to go...

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    Sorry to hear about your dad John - here's wishing him a speedy recovery

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    Hey John, wish your old man well, really glad they could sort the kidney issue out and hope the big one goes well when it happens. Best regards to you & the family and if you get some tome later down the line mosey in to the mess and join in the fun.

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    If everyone else plays we are now at eight a side (not that it's that important !)

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    'Two fat Ladies'............
    See you on the Dark Side......

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    Quote Originally Posted by flash View Post
    Just been checking out the Advanced Solo Charts we will be using for the campaign and noted some deficiencies - No T, V (J*), G*, R or U deck charts & the A/B/S chart doesn't cater for a B deck (it has 3 side slips). However, having gone over them this morning they can be covered by existing charts that have the same manoeuvres:
    A/B/S chart can be used for T/V (J*) decks;
    the D chart can be used for the U deck;
    The K+H chart can be used for G* and
    the J chart can be used for R and the B deck too (Rather than A/B/S).
    There is no advanced X chart but as they are ponderous beasties the original Richard Bradley chart will suffice.
    Links are also posted in the OTT ED Rules sticky
    In case you haven't looked, Blackronin's 2nd generation charts covers every deck.
    A G J S T V share the same chart, B J R the same, D U same, E I the same, F N the same, G H K the same.
    I added charts for the X- planes.

  42. #242

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teaticket View Post
    In case you haven't looked, Blackronin's 2nd generation charts covers every deck.
    A G J S T V share the same chart, B J R the same, D U same, E I the same, F N the same, G H K the same.
    I added charts for the X- planes.
    Yes & these are the ones I used for my ANZAC Day Action AAR.
    Those new AI manoeuvres are deadly!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teaticket View Post
    In case you haven't looked, Blackronin's 2nd generation charts covers every deck.
    A G J S T V share the same chart, B J R the same, D U same, E I the same, F N the same, G H K the same.
    I added charts for the X- planes.
    I have Pete but I'm happy with the originals, others may be too so there is an option for all as stated in the rules sticky.

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    Seven v eight today - then there were 15 !

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    Ready to go. Here we enjoy a prolonged weekend off, so I am away on a seaside with the family, but eager to start this month.
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    I thought this might be helpful for scenario design.

    JASTAS

    In August 1916 the first Jastas were forming to consist of as many as 14 aircraft. The focus of attention was on the Somme front of mid-1916 against which the Allies had concentrated troops, artillery, and aircraft. The available fighters that could be distributed among the 20 Jastas along the front are shown below:

    AIRCRAFT TYPE ----- AT THE FRONT
    Albatros D.I ---------------1
    Albatros D.II ---------------1
    Halberstadt D Series--------25
    Fokker D Series ------------35
    Eindecker Series -----------124
    TOTAL AT THE FRONT------186 Fighters

    Also, according to what I have found the first Halberstadt D.III reached the front in February 1916, but there were only two in the inventory by June.

  48. #248

    Question A Query & a suggestion!

    G'day Flash & others.

    Just had a query on the Vickers Gunbus which uses an XD* deck.
    However this aircraft being the first fighter aircraft purpose designed would surely be able to do an Immleman but I am sure the XD deck does not have one.
    What are other Gunbus uses doing?

    As for the suggestion it also comes with a query.
    I have not participated in a Solo Campaign before so am asking & suggesting from a position of ignorance.
    The normal solo rules say no special damage applies to AI controlled Aircraft except Explosions.
    Now this seems to give the AI plane a big advantage especially with the advanced charts.
    So why not let the AI planes suffer gun jambs, Pilot/Observer wounded, smoke & fire damage?
    I can understand not invoking rudder damage & engine damage but I reckon they should suffer the other ones.

    What do you all think?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gully_raker View Post
    G'day Flash & others.

    Just had a query on the Vickers Gunbus which uses an XD* deck.
    However this aircraft being the first fighter aircraft purpose designed would surely be able to do an Immleman but I am sure the XD deck does not have one.
    What are other Gunbus uses doing?

    As for the suggestion it also comes with a query.
    I have not participated in a Solo Campaign before so am asking & suggesting from a position of ignorance.
    The normal solo rules say no special damage applies to AI controlled Aircraft except Explosions.
    Now this seems to give the AI plane a big advantage especially with the advanced charts.
    So why not let the AI planes suffer gun jambs, Pilot/Observer wounded, smoke & fire damage?
    I can understand not invoking rudder damage & engine damage but I reckon they should suffer the other ones.

    What do you all think?
    Hi Barry,

    I have played the Gunbus without Immelmann - I don't have any hard evidence, but I reasoned that it was so slow and stable that Immelmanns and similar manoeuvres might have been difficult. Besides, it's wide arc of fire and slow speed makes it quite difficult for faster planes like the EIII to avoid slipping into its arc of fire.

    On special damage, I have played both the prequel and this first scenario with all special damage counting on the AI planes - when the EIIIs took rudder damage in Fish in a barrel for instance, I played it that the AI choices for the next turn excluded any that turned in the affected direction.

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    I thought the Gunbus was the XB deck? Thats what I have been using and as a spoiler, scenario 2 will have them!

    I play all special damage for AI planes except rudder jams.

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