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    We are closing on the end of the Final Months Campaign so for those interested will you be wanting to do an early war campaign ?
    I'm happy to provide the full admin for those that do and have been looking into where we could make a start with the assistance of the the Unofficial Stats spreadsheet.
    The Ares models available are the Fokker E.III; Morane Saulnier N; Airco DH2; Halbestadt D.III -
    a quick check with the stats list shows the Fokker was around from 15/Q3 -16/Q3; the MS1 from 14/Q4 -16/Q2; DH2 from 16/Q1 -18*/Q4 & Hs D.III 16/Q1 -17/Q2.
    The Nexus Nieuport 16 of Balloon Busters fame from 15/Q2 -17/Q2; Nieuport 17 16/Q1 -17/Q3.
    We can refine these dates as we get to the campaign.

    In light of this I would propose the 'Early War' campaign start Jan 1916 so at least those who only have access to Ares early war models may get into action straight away - as we progress we will add more aircraft & could fast forward to the last quarters of 1916 when it starts to get really lively with new types entering the fray notably: Hanriot HD.1, Albatros D.II, Sopwith Tripes, Spad VII (Ares), Sopwith Pups (Valom S/way).
    Those without the early stuff could still join in using later types until the others catch up, those with extensive collections could expand the games with different types and, depending how we go, we could then roll into & through to October 1917 where we started OTT in the first place.

    Thoughts and comments please.

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    Answering the call to arms:

    Dave (flash) Entente
    Rob (Kyte) Entente
    Trev (Brambo) Central Powers
    Neil (Skafloc) Central Powers
    John (Johnbiggles) Entente
    Rob (Moonsylver) Central Powers
    Shawn (diceslinger) Entente
    Brian (Archidamus) Entente
    Ryan (rkwright) Central Powers
    Paul (Tikkifriend) Entente
    Chris (Fast.git) Central Powers
    Pete (Teaticket) Central Powers
    Eric (7eat51) Entente
    Si (Twisted_terrain) Central Powers
    Chuck (WW1flyingace) Entente
    Anthony (Tusekine) Central Powers
    Barry (Gullyraker) Entente
    Andrzej (Nightbomber) Central Powers
    John (jbmacek) Central Powers


    That's 19 - I will take one more player

    First scenario will be posted late April for campaign starting in May

    This is because of other commitments - finishing OTTFM, FIS WW2
    Last edited by flash; 03-21-2014 at 01:28.

    "He is wise who watches"

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    As far as I am concerned, you have pitched it exactly right Dave. I have a couple of aircraft outside the Ares range which would fit in very well with that. It also gives those with only an odd early plane the chance to fly some of the solo missions that were more prevalent in the early stages of the war.
    Rob.
    "Courage is the art of being the only one who knows you're scared to death."

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    It all looks good Dave, always room for more minis

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    Damnation that means more finger sticking as I again try and get those two pups done. But I'm game for this as always.
    See you on the Dark Side......

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    I may have to join you guys if that is possible?
    When would you be starting?

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    You can count me in Dave. I have the full range of Ares early war. I'll get started on other birds asap. I'd been planning on doing:

    Avro 504's & Be2C's & Bristol Scout C's & D's for the British,
    Caudron G3's & 4's & Voisin III's & Nieuport 11's for the French

    so that I could start as early as Oct of 1915, but if we start in January of '16, then I'll focus on craft from that point on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnbiggles View Post
    I may have to join you guys if that is possible?
    When would you be starting?
    You'd be most welcome John. Probably starting in May as the last FM mission is slated for April.
    It will be much the same as the rest of OTT - game a month for about a year and a half - So you need to be committed; well that's what the doctors told me when they took me in !
    Last edited by flash; 02-19-2014 at 23:04.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoonSylver View Post
    You can count me in Dave. I have the full range of Ares early war. I'll get started on other birds asap. I'd been planning on doing:

    Avro 504's & Be2C's & Bristol Scout C's & D's for the British,
    Caudron G3's & 4's & Voisin III's & Nieuport 11's for the French

    so that I could start as early as Oct of 1915, but if we start in January of '16, then I'll focus on craft from that point on.
    You will see that you have a nice cross over with most of your aircraft Rob so many will be useable:

    Avro 504: 14/Q3 - 15/Q2;
    Be2C's: 14/Q4 - 17/Q4
    Bristols: 15/Q2 - 16/Q3
    Caudron G3: 14/Q3 - 17/Q4
    Caudron G4: 15/Q4 - 17/Q1
    Voisin III: 14/Q3 -16/Q3
    Nieuport 11: 15/Q2 - 17/Q2

    For m'birthday (last Weds) senior management got me Alb C1, (Colinwe) Alb C.III (Kampfflieger), BE2c (jbmacek), 2 Pfalz D.XII (Kampfflieger) And gave me money to buy some more !! The two seaters will drop right into the early campaign

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    Very good then. I'll go ahead w/ the earliest of the early birds, as planned. I've got some N.11's that I ordered from Shapeways trying to get the nerve up to break in the airbrush I bought, so hopefully I can tackle those soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoonSylver View Post
    Very good then. I'll go ahead w/ the earliest of the early birds, as planned. I've got some N.11's that I ordered from Shapeways trying to get the nerve up to break in the airbrush I bought, so hopefully I can tackle those soon.
    The shapeways stuff was all very good quality - in particular the early BE2c by jbmacek was exceptional in its detail I thought so I'd recommend that one,

    All to note:
    I have added you all to a list in the first post and guessed your affiliations - please let me know if I have you on the wrong side !
    Last edited by flash; 02-15-2014 at 01:08.

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    Can't promise you support from Bavaria, wingman.

    I wrote once, that if I participate in a WGF early war campaign, I'll use cards only.

    So maybe I can fly a mission or two, but I'm afriaid that I'm too busy with BoB and the Pacific.
    Voilŕ le soleil d'Austerlitz!

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    I must check to see what CP aircraft I may need......
    Mmmmm......shapeways

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    Is there room for one more? I would love to help out the Entente side! I've always wanted to play in one of these OTT

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    I'm sure the lads will be able to fit you in Shawn. We have hardly started arranging it yet.
    Rob.
    "Courage is the art of being the only one who knows you're scared to death."

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    Quote Originally Posted by diceslinger View Post
    Is there room for one more? I would love to help out the Entente side! I've always wanted to play in one of these OTT
    You're on the roster Shawn !

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    Where do i sign up? I have a couple of DH-2's and eindekkers (red eagle), 1 morane n. Really after early two seaters (i have two rolands and 2 1.5 strutters) and am desperate for some nieuport 11's valom calling methinks. Series 7 soon, so i'll have some later birds. Would prefer the entente however i'm easy...
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    I'd love to sign in on this. I have all the Ares early war series and am expanding my collection. I have some FE2bs and 1 1/2 Strutters on the way from Shapeways. Will soon order some early Germans.

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    Dave, I'll join in on this one - Entente for preference

    Only have official minis at present, but do have some Pups to build

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    Roger that Brian ! ...... That's an acknowledgement, not an instruction

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    G'day Flash & Co.!
    I could be interested in this as I have a big compliment of early aircraft. BE 2's, Gunbus, Morane Parasol, Ares Moranes, Eindekkers, DH-2's & Halberstadts plus LVG 2 seater, Pup, 1 1/2 Strutter 2 seater, Sop. Triplanes, Albatross D. II's, N 17's etc
    However due to my commitment to the WW2 Pacific campaign plus a Club campaign to commemorate the start of WW1 I might be a bit over committed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flash View Post
    The shapeways stuff was all very good quality - in particular the early BE2c by jbmacek was exceptional in its detail I thought so I'd recommend that one,

    All to note:
    I have added you all to a list in the first post and guessed your affiliations - please let me know if I have you on the wrong side !
    Yeah, I was shopping around the other night to see what early war crates are available. I'm seriously thinking I'll need to source them from Shapeways rather than scratch build. I'm afraid I won't be able to build as many as I might need fast enough. Paper models in the right scale is another problem.

    As for affiliation...I'm still torn. I would kinda like to fly for the Allies for a change...but have really enjoyed the Germans & reluctant to switch.

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    I would love to fly! Been flying the ott missions on my own for a while. I'd like to fly for the Entente if possible. Might I suggest two squadrons on each side? Maybe a French one and a British, and two German Jastas - perhaps that receive airplane upgrades at different times?

    Also I don't have minis for this time (painted my first N17 tonight) so I may be mostly card based.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flash View Post
    Roger that Brian ! ...... That's an acknowledgement, not an instruction
    Hmmm - guess it depends on how much of Kyte's Gin I had the night before

    Note to self - must complete my Shapeways early war birds

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    Quote Originally Posted by gully_raker View Post
    G'day Flash & Co.!
    I could be interested in this as I have a big compliment of early aircraft. BE 2's, Gunbus, Morane Parasol, Ares Moranes, Eindekkers, DH-2's & Halberstadts plus LVG 2 seater, Pup, 1 1/2 Strutter 2 seater, Sop. Triplanes, Albatross D. II's, N 17's etc
    However due to my commitment to the WW2 Pacific campaign plus a Club campaign to commemorate the start of WW1 I might be a bit over committed.
    You'd be welcome to stick your oar in if you wanted a crack at it Baz ! Sven has a similar problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rkwright View Post
    I would love to fly! Been flying the ott missions on my own for a while. I'd like to fly for the Entente if possible. Might I suggest two squadrons on each side? Maybe a French one and a British, and two German Jastas - perhaps that receive airplane upgrades at different times?
    Also I don't have minis for this time (painted my first N17 tonight) so I may be mostly card based.
    Well, I think we have the squadrons sorted Ryan, They're the Bulldogs be they French or British, although, of course, the first Jastas were not formed until August 1916.
    Eindeckers had been allocated singly, just as the E.I and E.II had been, to the front-line Feldflieger Abteilungen that carried out reconnaissance duties. With the newer aircraft came new tactics - they began hunting singly & in pairs with the sole purpose of destroying aircraft rather than just escorting & defending two seaters. To counter this the Entente assigned pairs of scouts to defend their two seaters against this threat. This in turn led to the Germans forming small specialist fighter units in early 1916, Kampfeinsitzer Kommandos (KEK), comprising of 4 aircraft (Very successful at Verdun) to attack aircraft that crossed the lines into the Germans airspace.

    This means we will be starting small with 1 v 1, 1 v 2 etc of the earliest Ares types, introduction of the DH2, N.16, N.17, 2 seater escorts for those having them, jump to summer and the Halb D.III, The Kaisers Eagles Jasta formation, on to introductions of Hanriot HD.1, Albatros D.II, Sopwith Tripes, Spad VII (Ares), Sopwith Pups etc at the years end.
    Still lots to figure out including restricted firing for Nieuports sporting Lewis guns.... it will be....
    bloody

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    Wouldn't worry too much about squadrons, I fly mainly CP and have fought RFC, Belgian and French aircraft. Aircraft to use, whatever you have available that historically could fly the dates of the scenario. You'll see in some of the later OTT scenarios that the Entente were hungering after snipes whilst the CP had a short time to wait for the DVII's. Anyway if you're stuck there are plenty who'll give you advice.

    Neil

    Quote Originally Posted by rkwright View Post
    I would love to fly! Been flying the ott missions on my own for a while. I'd like to fly for the Entente if possible. Might I suggest two squadrons on each side? Maybe a French one and a British, and two German Jastas - perhaps that receive airplane upgrades at different times?

    Also I don't have minis for this time (painted my first N17 tonight) so I may be mostly card based.
    See you on the Dark Side......

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    Sounds great - sign me up!

    Edit: with everyone singing for the entente, put me on the CP. Need to make it somewhat competitive!
    Last edited by rkwright; 02-16-2014 at 15:10.

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    Got any spare places in the Bulldogs if poss ( just to follow the boys from start , end and re start.
    Not got any real early stuff but that might change with a birthday in May


    I'm learning to fly, but I ain't got wings
    Coming down is the hardest thing

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    Paul & Ryan - you are on the roster.

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    Thanks Dave. When do you need a pilot roster ?


    I'm learning to fly, but I ain't got wings
    Coming down is the hardest thing

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    Are you going to run the Scenarios like OTT with everyone putting one forward to play?


    I'm learning to fly, but I ain't got wings
    Coming down is the hardest thing

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    Count me in, Dave. Looks like Die Fliegertruppen des deutschen Kaiserreiches needs another jagdflier, so pencil me in there.

    Decent selection of the Ares early war birds, as well as a few Shapeways that need to find their way onto my table (Be2c, Bebe, etc.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by tikkifriend View Post
    Thanks Dave. When do you need a pilot roster ?
    There's no rush Paul but the spreadsheet is ready so anytime you're ready pm me the details -

    Note to all: probably only need four to start with, Lt & 3 2Lt for entente; 1 Obltn & 3 Ltn for CP.
    I can note nationalities for commonwealth & entente pilots.
    Last edited by flash; 02-17-2014 at 12:08.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tikkifriend View Post
    Are you going to run the Scenarios like OTT with everyone putting one forward to play?
    Been thinking this over Paul - maybe not for the first few as they will be straight forward - once the KEK or Jasta are formed then it will be open season for all !
    Last edited by flash; 02-17-2014 at 11:34.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fast.git View Post
    Count me in, Dave. Looks like Die Fliegertruppen des deutschen Kaiserreiches needs another jagdflier, so pencil me in there.

    Decent selection of the Ares early war birds, as well as a few Shapeways that need to find their way onto my table (Be2c, Bebe, etc.)
    Your're on the roster Chris

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    Looks like you are short one Central Powers pilot. I'd still like to get in if there is room. Any planes you want to see in this? I have Pups, 1 1/2 Strutters and a couple of FE2Bs and I'm about to put in a Shapeways order!
    Last edited by Teaticket; 02-17-2014 at 12:53.

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    I would be very interested. My schedule opens up tremendously starting the first week of March. If there is a space available, I would be willing to fly, either side as needed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teaticket View Post
    Looks like you are short one Central Powers pilot. I'd still like to get in if there is room. Any planes you want to see in this? I have Pups, 1 1/2 Strutters and a couple of FE2Bs and I'm about to put in a Shapeways order!
    You're on the roster Peter, Pups & Strutters will come in toward the end of the campaign year, fit other stuff in as the scenario allow - don't think anyone will mind !

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7eat51 View Post
    I would be very interested. My schedule opens up tremendously starting the first week of March. If there is a space available, I would be willing to fly, either side as needed.
    Good timing Eric - put you with the entente for now !

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    It appears you're a CP player down...

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    Well volunteered Si ! Seven a side now

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    Awesome i can get on to creating an E IV, not that i need an excuse to get the greenstuff out, ooh might try creating the 3 spandau early with a handicap. A + B (roll a 1 on a d6, take an engine damage?).

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    The amount of excitement this one is generating is tremendous. Thank you all. It's making me feel (re)invigorated.

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    I can't wait...I'm putting together my first Shapeways order for this! We will see if I can actually paint any planes

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    Those doing shapeways orders - make sure you put a two holer for each side in your order, may come in useful !
    Examples of early types: Rumpler C.I (G*), Aviatik C.I (G*), Albatros C.I or C.III (XD), BE2c (XC), FE.2 (J*) - Check out the Unofficial Stats for ideas.

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    Dave how do you put an order in? I have been on the site and looked at the planes available but what is a two holer, forgive the uninitiated.
    See you on the Dark Side......

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    It's a two seater old chap - just suggesting that if you're ordering then adding a two seater or two may be a good idea !
    Senior Management does all the purchasing (b'day & xmas) and she tells me you should join - big JOIN button at top right of page - To order select model page and hit big BUY NOW button in Red on right of page - Use Shopping Trolly logo (next to JOIN) or Big red button when item selected to get to checkout and Bobs your uncle ! Happy purchasing !!

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    Will we be flying any 2 seaters of only singles?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teaticket View Post
    Will we be flying any 2 seaters of only singles?
    If Dave is suggesting purchaces of 2-seaters, you can assure we'll be flying them. Photo recon, artillery spotting, bombing, all kinds of things you miss out on if you don't have 2-seaters.

    Funny you brought this up Dave, as I was just seeing what models are available in the correct scales if one builds paper instead of ordering from Shapeways, & just found a Albatros C.1.

    So far I've sourced models for:

    the Be2, Avro 504, Bristol Scout C&D for the British, possibly a FE2.b (could the DH2 be substituted for them? They look awfully similar...)

    Nieuport 11's for the French & possibly a Voisin III (1/50th scale, but listed with a lot of parts & a high difficulty)

    Albatros C.I for the CP

    I found models for the Caudron G4, but 1/32 scale unfortunately.

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    WILCO. Cheers for that. Looking for 2 early birds for each side. Already have Moraines, DH2's, Eindeckers and Halberstads.

    BE2c, Gunbus, Albatross DII dunno for a second German though.

    Neil

    Quote Originally Posted by flash View Post
    It's a two seater old chap - just suggesting that if you're ordering then adding a two seater or two may be a good idea !
    Senior Management does all the purchasing (b'day & xmas) and she tells me you should join - big JOIN button at top right of page - To order select model page and hit big BUY NOW button in Red on right of page - Use Shopping Trolly logo (next to JOIN) or Big red button when item selected to get to checkout and Bobs your uncle ! Happy purchasing !!
    See you on the Dark Side......

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