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    There has been a lot of talk about what planes will be in the WGS Series 6 release as of late. The pilots/paint schemes have not been selected yet and there is not a firm release date, but here they are...


    Yokosuka D4Y

    Data from The Encyclopedia of World Aircraft

    General characteristics

    Crew: two (pilot & gunner/radio operator)
    Length: 33 ft 6 in (10.22 m)
    Wingspan: 37 ft 9 in (11.50 m)
    Height: 12 ft 3 in (3.74 m)
    Wing area: 254 ft² (23.6 m²)
    Empty weight: 5,379 lb (2,440 kg)
    Loaded weight: 9,370 lb (4,250 kg)
    Powerplant: 1 × Aichi Atsuta AE1P 32 liquid-cooled inverted V12 piston engine, 1,044 kW (1,400 hp)

    Performance

    Maximum speed: 550 km/h (342 mph)
    Range: 1,465 km (910 mi)
    Service ceiling: 10,700 m (35,105 ft)
    Rate of climb: 14 m/s (2,700 ft/min)
    Wing loading: 180 kg/m² (37 lb/ft²)
    Power/mass: 0.25 kW/kg (0.15 hp/lb)

    Armament

    2× forward-firing 7.7 mm Type 97 aircraft machine guns
    1× rearward-firing 7.92 mm Type 1 machine gun
    500 kg (1,102 lb) of bombs (design), 800 kg (1,764 lb) of bombs (kamikaze)






    Dauntless SBD-5

    Data from "McDonnell Douglas Aircraft since 1920"

    General characteristics

    Crew: 2
    Length: 33 ft 1¼ in (10.09 m)
    Wingspan: 41 ft 6⅜ in (12.66 m)
    Height: 13 ft 7 in (4.14 m)
    Wing area: 325 ft² (30.19 m²)
    Empty weight: 6,404 lb (2,905 kg)
    Loaded weight: 9,359 lb (4,245 kg)
    Max. takeoff weight: 10,700 lb (4,853 kg)
    Powerplant: 1 × Wright R-1820-60 radial engine, 1,200 hp (895 kW)

    Performance

    Maximum speed: 255 mph (222 knots, 410 km/h) at 14,000 ft (4,265 m)
    Cruise speed: 185 mph (161 knots, 298 km/h)
    Range: 1,115 mi (970 nmi, 1,795 km)
    Service ceiling: 25,530 ft (7,780 m)
    Rate of climb: 1,700 ft/min (8.6 m/s)
    Wing loading: 32.9 lb/ft² (140.6 kg/m²)
    Power/mass: 8.92 lb/hp (5.42 kg/kW)

    Armament

    Guns:
    2 × 0.50 in (12.7 mm) forward-firing synchronized Browning M2 machine guns in engine cowling
    2 × 0.30 in (7.62 mm) flexible-mounted Browning machine gun in rear
    Bombs: 2,250 lb (1,020 kg) of bombs







    Messerschmitt Bf 109K-4

    Data from The Great Book of Fighters and the Finnish Air Force Bf 109 Manual

    General characteristics

    Crew: One
    Length: 8.95 m (29 ft 7 in)
    Wingspan: 9.925 m (32 ft 6 in)
    Height: 2.60 m (8 ft 2 in)
    Wing area: 16.05 m² (173.3 ft²)
    Empty weight: 2,247 kg (5,893 lb)
    Loaded weight: 3,148 kg (6,940 lb)
    Max. takeoff weight: 3,400 kg (7,495 lb)
    Powerplant: 1 × Daimler-Benz DB 605DB liquid-cooled inverted V12, 1,475 PS (1,455 hp, 1,085 kW)
    Propellers: VDM 9-12087 three-bladed light-alloy propeller
    Propeller diameter: 3 m (9 ft 10 in)

    Performance

    Maximum speed: 710 km/h (440 mph) at 7,500 m (24,610 ft) altitude
    Cruise speed: 590 km/h (365 mph) at 6,000 m (19,680 ft)
    Range: 850 km (528 mi)1,000 km (621 mi) with droptank
    Service ceiling: 12,000 m (39,370 ft)
    Rate of climb: 2,775 ft (850 m)/min
    Wing loading: 196 kg/m² (40 lb/ft²)
    Power/mass: 344 W/kg (0.21 hp/lb)

    Armament

    Guns:
    2 × 13 mm (.51 in) synchronized MG 131 machine guns with 300 rounds per gun
    1 × 1 × 30 mm (1.18 in) MK 108 cannon as Motorkanone with 65 rpg (some K-4s were fitted with the MG 151/20 as the Motorkanone.)
    Rockets: 2 × 21 cm (8 in) Wfr. Gr. 21 rockets (G-6 with BR21)
    Bombs: 1 × 250 kg (551 lb) bomb or 4 × 50 kg (110 lb) bombs or 1 × 300-litre (79 US gal) drop tank








    Republic P-47D Thunderbolt Razorback version

    Data from Wikipedia

    General characteristics

    Crew: 1
    Length: 36 ft 1 in (11.00 m)
    Wingspan: 40 ft 9 in (12.42 m)
    Height: 14 ft 8 in (4.47 m)
    Wing area: 300 ft² (27.87 m²)
    Empty weight: 10,000 lb (4,535 kg)
    Loaded weight: 13,300 lb (6,032 kg)
    Max. takeoff weight: 17,500 lb (7,938 kg)
    Powerplant: 1 × Pratt & Whitney R-2800-59 twin-row radial engine, 2,535 hp (1,890 kW)

    Performance

    Maximum speed: 433 mph at 30,000 ft (697 km/h at 9,145 m)
    Range: 800 mi combat, 1,800 mi ferry (1,290 km / 2,900 km)
    Service ceiling: 43,000 ft (13,100 m)
    Rate of climb: 3,120 ft/min (15.9 m/s)
    Wing loading: 44.33 lb/ft² ()
    Power/mass: 0.19 hp/lb (238 W/kg)

    Armament

    8 × .50 in (12.7 mm) M2 Browning machine guns (3400 rounds)
    Up to 2,500 lb (1,134 kg) of bombs
    10 × 5 in (127 mm) unguided rockets


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    And you are taking preorders when?

    Awesome, awesome, awesome, awesome.

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    ...SBD is fine.
    Let me complain a bit.
    1. Why Suisei/Judy but not Kate? OK, eventually, not that bad.
    2. But please tell me why Karl, not Friedrich? We already have Doras to fight B-17. F saw service all over Europe and Africa...
    3. Jug. Nice plane, but... I'd like to see a Soviet aircraft (like Sturmovik) at last.

    I must be getting old and grumpy.
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    I really like new informations. Glad for SBD (finally!) and P-47 (great to pair with Mustangs). I must lobby for Sturmovik - hope in next serie
    Thank you for information, please, tell guys from Ares that they do perfect work!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightbomber View Post
    ...SBD is fine.
    Let me complain a bit.
    1. Why Suisei/Judy but not Kate? OK, eventually, not that bad.
    2. But please tell me why Karl, not Friedrich? We already have Doras to fight B-17. F saw service all over Europe and Africa...
    3. Jug. Nice plane, but... I'd like to see a Soviet aircraft (like Sturmovik) at last.

    I must be getting old and grumpy.
    I'm old and grumpy with you!

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    Great news but I have to agree with Andy. Kate would be nice but again I will take a Judy. Also I think this the first time that there are two planes from the same country? Usually different countries. But I have say very happy for the SBD.

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    What about Gladiator and Beaufighter in Airplane Pack #4? Both British planes. And some other (like Italian D520 and Stuka or German Me.110 and Fiat), but these are marginal).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oberst Hajj View Post
    Yokosuka D4Y


    So, are we getting the -1/-2 with the inline, or the radial-powered -3 (Mitsubishi MK8P Kinsei 62) as depicted? The -3 was the second-most-common model, and didn't have the persistent engine faults of the -1 and -2.

    Looking at the selection list as a whole: Get ready for a bunch of ground-attack missions....

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    I had promised myself to only focus on WWI--too many planes otherwise--even gave all of my WWII planes away--but these are soooooooo tempting--would love to have a pair of Jugs (insert your joke here), or maybe twenty; there are a hundred great repaints waiting to happen.

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    Awesome!!!

    That's what we needed.

    Dauntless, another Messerschmitt Bf.109 version, the P-47 and a Japanese ground attack plane!

    Thank you for the information, Herr Oberst!
    Voilà le soleil d'Austerlitz!

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    Very cool but i would have prefered the Messerschmidt Bf109G and Nakajima B5N.

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    Great information and nice planes.


    Is there a reason for the choice of the Razorback version for the P47 instead of "bubble canopy" ?

    The shape with the razorback version reminds me too much of the Hellcat shape.


    So here are a german regular fighter, one US large fighter and 2 two-seaters which are smaller to the P47.

    I am wondering if there are going to be all sold in fighter size box ?


    Torpedo planes may come in the next serie, as big 2/3 seater.

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    Wow, these are nifty. Dauntless and P-47 were very high on my want list. Another 109 version makes sense. A second allied dive bomber would have been nice, my pick what be the Strumovick, but the Judy is a fine given the plane has already been selected.

    A very nice year of planes are on their way.
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    Still building my WGS, so I will take anything that Ares produces, thanks Keith.

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    Great news Keith particularly re the Dauntless!

    Any scuttlebutt on a release time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tusekine View Post
    would love to have a pair of Jugs (insert your joke here).

    It won't be long before that line of thought will have its own thread.

    Judy is a good move, they were (maybe still are) selling Val's at MM for like $7.00.

    Any year (considering the game nearly went bye-bye) that we get an F4U and a Jug is a good year in my book. The SBD is a great selection, although it is odd to get the K before the G. But hey, aside frome the canopy, I always had a hard time telling the two apart. At 1/200 scale, its not likely to be a big deal.

    My question is how and when is the F4U planned on being released? As a solo? Surely not. Will it be released with the heavies? Could there be a 4th plane planned with that, if that is the case? The F6F is in need of some love here soon.

    One can only wonder and speculate, in the meantime, like the dark side of the force, the WWII side grows stronger...
    Last edited by kaufschtick; 01-10-2014 at 18:43.

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    Ares may be able to produce the P-47 model in such a way that both 'razorback' and 'bubble-canopy' versions are possible. Do you think we might see a Brazilian P-47?

    Whatever models Ares produce someone will not be satisfied.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Naharaht View Post
    Ares may be able to produce the P-47 model in such a way that both 'razorback' and 'bubble-canopy' versions are possible. Do you think we might see a Brazilian P-47?

    Whatever models Ares produce someone will not be satisfied.

    A Brazilan Thunderbolt, IMHO, would be a bad move until the sales are stronger. The Belgian Hurricane was a big flop from a sales point of view.

    If the U.S. market is the target, there were plenty of Thunderbolt aces to lean on for strong U.S. sales. My spelling is probably way off here, but Gabreski, Zemke & Johnson all come immediately to mind, for starters.

    (This where someone chimes in with, "No, you spelled Johnson right.")
    Last edited by kaufschtick; 01-10-2014 at 19:04.

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    Cool

    As far as torpedo planes go, I would die and go to heavan if it were:
    • Avenger
    • Kate
    • Stringbag, and
    • SM.79
    Last edited by kaufschtick; 01-10-2014 at 19:29.

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    Quote Originally Posted by csadn View Post
    So, are we getting the -1/-2 with the inline, or the radial-powered -3 (Mitsubishi MK8P Kinsei 62) as depicted? The -3 was the second-most-common model, and didn't have the persistent engine faults of the -1 and -2.
    Yeah, I was just looking at that now. The stats say liquid cooled engine, the pic shows radial engine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by csadn View Post
    So, are we getting the -1/-2 with the inline, or the radial-powered -3 (Mitsubishi MK8P Kinsei 62) as depicted? The -3 was the second-most-common model, and didn't have the persistent engine faults of the -1 and -2.

    Looking at the selection list as a whole: Get ready for a bunch of ground-attack missions....
    I've got no info on which dash version we are getting. I simply pulled stats and images from the net to give a rough idea of what each plane was.

    Quote Originally Posted by monse View Post
    Great information and nice planes.


    Is there a reason for the choice of the Razorback version for the P47 instead of "bubble canopy" ?

    The shape with the razorback version reminds me too much of the Hellcat shape.


    So here are a german regular fighter, one US large fighter and 2 two-seaters which are smaller to the P47.

    I am wondering if there are going to be all sold in fighter size box ?


    Torpedo planes may come in the next serie, as big 2/3 seater.
    I think the razorback is more iconic for that plane and very popular.

    For torpedo planes, I'm trying to steer them into a dual pack special. One plane from both sides (I suggested Avenger and Kate), rules and counters.


    Quote Originally Posted by kaufschtick View Post
    My question is how and when is the F4U planned on being released? As a solo? Surely not. Will it be released with the heavies? Could there be a 4th plane planned with that, if that is the case? The F6F is in need of some love here soon.
    It will not be a solo or part of the heavy release. My guess at this point is that it will be in Series 7. I actually think the SBD might have bumped it from Series 6, but that is just speculation on my part.

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    As much as I hate to see the Corsair delayed, the Dauntless makes it worth the wait. We have griping and pleading with the powers that be, since series II and we now know our pleas have not fallen on deaf ears. I really hope the F4U is in series 7, it will make that series very popular.

    Seeing as the game designer is Italian, where in the world is the C.202 Folgore or C.205 Veltro even? Germany and Japan seem to get all the Axis love, the Italians have recieved a few birds, but I would hope in the very near future, meaning next couple series, the Folgore and/or Veltro make an appearance.

    A big thanks to Keith for the part I know he played in bringing the plight of the Dauntless to the designers and decision makers.

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    Very happy to see the Dauntless coming -- a -3 (Coral Sea, Midway, Guadalcanal) would have been a little preferable to a -5 for me, but we have an SBD on the way, and that's the important thing. Here's a second vote for a Macchi C.202 or C.205, also.

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    Hohoho, hee hee hee,
    Little brown jug don't I love thee.....

    I think this just might tempt me into WWII

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    I am happy with all, though I would like to see one of the Dauntles in NZ markings.

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    Very cool! I have been holding off from the pacific theatre in WGS, but as Ares is supporting the japanese releases so well I might have to fold... plus my wife likes the 'leopard print' KI-84 haha

    The Messerschmitts will be great! I think the Russians seem massively under represented at this point now though...
    there is only the Yak 1 and a Hurricane for this theatre yes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xen View Post
    I think the Russians seem massively under represented at this point now though...
    there is only the Yak 1 and a Hurricane for this theatre yes?
    Yes. But that awfully painted Hurry is not really a Soviet plane. EF is greatly underrepresented in WGS, to my disappointment. Not to mention, that many planes used there were commonly known in other theatres and conversions/repaints would even broaden their game usage. Fw 190, Bf 109F/G, Fiats, Macchis, Airacobras would fit many European scenarios.
    I simply can not understand ARES policy.
    On the other hand they will easily sell all products above with ease for they are just eye candy for all of us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kaufschtick View Post
    As far as torpedo planes go, I would die and go to heavan if it were:
    • Avenger
    • Kate
    • Stringbag, and
    • SM.79
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oberst Hajj View Post
    I think the P47 razorback is more iconic for that plane and very popular.
    In my french mind, the buble canopy was the iconic version of this plane.

    I thought that the razorback concerned only the first models but more than 4400 P47D razorback were built.
    Not bad. It may have been popular.

    And more than 7100 P47D with the bubble canopy.

    But the following version N had also the bubble canopy.

    So there were many more with this canopy.

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    Rather disappointing from a BoB perspective.
    Looks good for late war/ Normandy and really good for the Pacific hope you chaps enjoy.

    For me I still would prefer reprints of the Spits, Hurries and Me109.
    Maybe the next series Series 7 may give us the JU88, Do 17, Defiant and Blenheims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boney10 View Post
    Rather disappointing from a BoB perspective.
    Looks good for late war/ Normandy and really good for the Pacific hope you chaps enjoy.

    For me I still would prefer reprints of the Spits, Hurries and Me109.
    Maybe the next series Series 7 may give us the JU88, Do 17, Defiant and Blenheims.
    You can always find them elsewhere, so that you don't have to wait many months.
    AIM has very beautiful renditions of all these at a great price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackronin View Post
    You can always find them elsewhere, so that you don't have to wait many months.
    Doesn't help with manoeuvre decks though. There are going to be a few iconic air campaigns that players old and new will want to get into. battle of Britain is one, Midway another. It would be really useful from a recruiting perspective (and others) if Ares could just make sure those are covered with all the basic planes needed and then kept them in production. Like Triplanes and Camels in WGF

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Manley View Post
    Doesn't help with manoeuvre decks though. There are going to be a few iconic air campaigns that players old and new will want to get into. battle of Britain is one, Midway another. It would be really useful from a recruiting perspective (and others) if Ares could just make sure those are covered with all the basic planes needed and then kept them in production. Like Triplanes and Camels in WGF
    Some decks are still selling at acceptable prices.
    Revolution in the sky, Biplanes and Fire in the skies have decks that you can use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackronin View Post
    Some decks are still selling at acceptable prices.
    Revolution in the sky, Biplanes and Fire in the skies have decks that you can use.
    Yes Joaquim, I do not doubt you are correct here, plus I do sometimes see the old WWDawn on eBay.
    BUT these you have to search for, I also agree the models you can get elsewhere, AA do bases, the whole premis though is to play from the box, vets will no doubt go the way of Air200 and AIM however new players or the casual gamer who sees and takes part in our demos may want just a few starters and to go this route may well put them off. Having the iconic aircraft with manoeuvre decks etc will and my show experiences bear this out, will bear fruit for the all concerned Ares and us playing the game, again though we are missing opportunities here without the basic aircraft.
    All this though is of course only my opinion

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    I agree with you, Chris.
    But I think that Ares is going to the careful side to maintain business.
    I'd prefer that decks would be easily available.
    Planes could be cheaper if they launch also unpainted kits.
    But then, we'll work with what we have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightbomber View Post
    Yes. But that awfully painted Hurry is not really a Soviet plane. EF is greatly underrepresented in WGS, to my disappointment. Not to mention, that many planes used there were commonly known in other theatres and conversions/repaints would even broaden their game usage. Fw 190, Bf 109F/G, Fiats, Macchis, Airacobras would fit many European scenarios.
    I simply can not understand ARES policy.
    On the other hand they will easily sell all products above with ease for they are just eye candy for all of us.
    In both wars the EF is by far the less popular of them all. While the fans of the EF are very fanatical, they are few in the big picture. Ares is learning from the Nexus mistake with WGS and are concentrating on the more popular planes (and those need to support them) and the more popular battles/theaters.


    Quote Originally Posted by monse View Post
    In my french mind, the buble canopy was the iconic version of this plane.

    I thought that the razorback concerned only the first models but more than 4400 P47D razorback were built.
    Not bad. It may have been popular.

    And more than 7100 P47D with the bubble canopy.

    But the following version N had also the bubble canopy.

    So there were many more with this canopy.
    I think part of it has to do with we just got the bubble top P-51, so they did the razorback for this one. I have no doubt that at some point we will see the other version of each of those.


    Quote Originally Posted by Boney10 View Post
    Rather disappointing from a BoB perspective.
    Looks good for late war/ Normandy and really good for the Pacific hope you chaps enjoy.

    For me I still would prefer reprints of the Spits, Hurries and Me109.
    Maybe the next series Series 7 may give us the JU88, Do 17, Defiant and Blenheims.
    BoB will be getting some real love over the next year or so from what I understand. I've had extensive WGS talks with Ares and they are starting to come around of the idea that they need to concentrate of battles and not worry so much about giving a plane to every nation each release.


    Quote Originally Posted by David Manley View Post
    Doesn't help with manoeuvre decks though. There are going to be a few iconic air campaigns that players old and new will want to get into. battle of Britain is one, Midway another. It would be really useful from a recruiting perspective (and others) if Ares could just make sure those are covered with all the basic planes needed and then kept them in production. Like Triplanes and Camels in WGF
    I've talked to them about doing Duel Packs for WGS, one for both the BoB and Pacific. I think they like the idea. So it's quite possible that we will see a Spitfire vs. 109 pack and a Wildcat vs. Zero pack that stays in production all the time.

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    Thanks for the excellent info, Keith.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oberst Hajj View Post
    I've talked to them about doing Duel Packs for WGS, one for both the BoB and Pacific. I think they like the idea. So it's quite possible that we will see a Spitfire vs. 109 pack and a Wildcat vs. Zero pack that stays in production all the time.
    Now that is a "damned good idea" well done Ares, I could see these being good sellers, also to do similar with WGF as they are getting harder to find.
    Take a look at the old Airfix Dogfight doubles.
    But if Ares do this for WGS I can see it really ahem "taking off"

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    ..... they are starting to come around of the idea that they need to concentrate of battles and not worry so much about giving a plane to every nation each release.
    To quote Robert Shaw in "Battle of Britain"

    About bloody time!!

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    If you want parity in the Pacific, the Guadalcanal campaign is the best around. Midway is of course a great focus as well. Will they want to put out questionable outdated units like the Buffalo and Devastator becomes a bigger question. There were all types of planes that fought in these battles both loved and indifferent, I would hope at the proper place and time they do even the ones that people don't consider iconic, but are essential to telling the whole story.

    So does the battle pack intel mean a full reprint of WOW series one is unlikely? I could see their hesitation to reprint the stinker that was series II, but series one would be widely appreciated by most, especially those looking for early war 109s and Spits. From series II, the Hurricane with more British pilots would be appreciated, especially by the BoB boys.

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    I like series II.
    I just think that the problem wasn't series II, was the lack of more and more and more types of planes.

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    Surely, the problem was greater than series II. But I think the sales of the series II planes speak for themselves when it comes to the overall reception of the series. Aside from the "Bader" Hurricane and two German Stukas, they are clearance bin fodder.

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    I've bought 3 italian Stukas and several D.520 and very happy I was to be able to buy them so cheaply. And Vals too.

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    I agree, I love the great prices I have gotten on the series II planes at clearance prices. When the price is right,the price is right!

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    Happy to see Dauntless and Razorback (I remember a decals folio from ESCI for 1/72 Brazilian P-47 with a beautiful boxing parrot!), to complete or expande some scenarios I've in my mind.
    Unhappy to wait for Corsair, Mosquito, Sturmovik, ...

    Warlock

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaufschtick View Post
    If the U.S. market is the target, there were plenty of Thunderbolt aces to lean on for strong U.S. sales. My spelling is probably way off here, but Gabreski, Zemke & Johnson all come immediately to mind, for starters.

    (This where someone chimes in with, "No, you spelled Johnson right.") ;)
    Actually, you got all three correct -- well done. :)

    I want to see the 211 Sqdn., Fuerza Aerea Mexicana P-47 -- for no other reason than to watch the conniption fits around here. >:)

    As to "iconic units": If all Ares churns out is another "Mustangs vs. Messerschmitts" fest, well, I have a dozen different, far-less-cumbersome, WW2 games I can do *that* with; and I can source 1/200 minis for far less than what they're charging.

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    I saw a mention of torpedo rules so may we see an Avenger and/or Swordfish in the works soon?

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    Torbeau's!! We already have one pretty much.. where did you see mention of those rules?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaufschtick View Post
    If the U.S. market is the target, there were plenty of Thunderbolt aces to lean on for strong U.S. sales. My spelling is probably way off here, but Gabreski, Zemke & Johnson all come immediately to mind, for starters.
    Love the Razorback... and those names work for me!

    Quote Originally Posted by Oberst Hajj View Post
    For torpedo planes, I'm trying to steer them into a dual pack special. One plane from both sides (I suggested Avenger and Kate), rules and counters.
    Brilliant idea!

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