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    But anyway enough beating the dead WWII horse for now. I really hope there is a cliffs of Dover game mat released with the BoB stuff. Also the game mats are drying up really fast including the SoG one. Is there any news on these being re printed soon?

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    Uh, guys, welcome to the world of how us SoGgies feel every day... LOL
    Historical Consultant/Researcher, Wings and Sails lines - Unless stated otherwise, all comments are personal opinion only and NOT official Ares policy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Canestri10 View Post
    But anyway enough beating the dead WWII horse for now. I really hope there is a cliffs of Dover game mat released with the BoB stuff. Also the game mats are drying up really fast including the SoG one. Is there any news on these being re printed soon?
    Oooh, a Cliffs of Dover map would be a nice addition.
    And Ares site says July for a reprint of the SoG map accessories and WoG game mats I believe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warhawk View Post
    Oooh, a Cliffs of Dover map would be a nice addition.
    And Ares site says July for a reprint of the SoG map accessories and WoG game mats I believe.
    With any luck and no Dock strikes we might be able to get them as Christmas presents in Blighty then.
    Rob.
    "Courage is the art of being the only one who knows you're scared to death."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warhawk View Post
    Oooh, a Cliffs of Dover map would be a nice addition.
    And Ares site says July for a reprint of the SoG map accessories and WoG game mats I believe.
    I've got one and it's on the forum as a down load.
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    Thomas

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canestri10 View Post
    But anyway enough beating the dead WWII horse for now. I really hope there is a cliffs of Dover game mat released with the BoB stuff. Also the game mats are drying up really fast including the SoG one. Is there any news on these being re printed soon?

    What's wrong with the coastal map?

    WGF makes the first steps in this direction.

    With the KS project we get (paper) mats of East-/West-London, No-man's-land and Mannheim Industrial complex.

    In addition to a fictional Dover mat, we need a Channel mat, too, to have enough rooms for battles over the Channel.

    ...or much better: Two mats (Dover/Calais) that could be combined to have a lot of water in the midddle.

    (to enlarge the battlefield you can add the standart city and country mats)
    Voilŕ le soleil d'Austerlitz!

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    As I thought about this more, I realize that Ares has a lot of products and each has its challenges. However, I would hope they understand keeping quality product in the pipeline and available is one of the most important things they can do to continue to have people buying their products in a very competitive niche market that is war gaming. They almost always deliver an amazing product (the Sopwith Tri-plane aside ) and at reasonable prices However, gamers tend to be fickle and their all in one minute and selling off that game completely for another one the next minute. Its nice that they provide us with updates of what is on the horizon, even if its rather vague information at times. However, I would point them to Fantasy Flight games and what they have done with the X-wing and Armada lines. There is constantly new product becoming available and items being reprinted at a fairly decent pace after a print run sells out. Now, FFG is releasing stuff way too fast for my wallet, but I share their success here as proof that it can be done. Furthermore, I realize comparing an industry giant like FFG and the still young and maturing Ares is comparing apples and oranges, but it is something Ares should be aspiring to do and figuring out how to do. Personally 2 releases a year fro WGS would be perfect for me and my wallet. For others maybe more or less releases would be optimal. That being said, I want to see the game be successful and stay around long enough to get us a few more of the more iconic aircraft that we still don't have. Personally, I have no interest in do-it-yourself aircraft from Shapeways, Aim, or anywhere else. I a already up to my neck in painting and modeling with War At Sea models I buy from Shapeways.

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    Contrary to some voices above - I am happy to fill the gaps by painting unofficial 1/200 models from AIM, Shapeways and other sources and what bothers me more is the lack of play time and opponents. To my taste, this game is open to unofficial minis and I enjoy expanding it with new models on my own. So I do not really care about the release date at all (but understand those who do). I can not forget Andrea, the game designer, looking with love on my AIM Macchis MC 200 Saettas last Saturday in Prague. I was over the moon painting them in the past and seeing him now taking pictures of the models recalling some moving family war stories.
    Also Michal, a member of the Czech Wing, does not care to much about the new models. He makes some on his own with self made molds. That is it!

    That is the Game and it's People.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Canestri10 View Post
    Also the game mats are drying up really fast including the SoG one.
    You are dead right on that one Sam. my Fleet just got stuck on the bed of the Harbour.
    Rob.
    "Courage is the art of being the only one who knows you're scared to death."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightbomber View Post
    Contrary to some voices above - I am happy to fill the gaps by painting unofficial 1/200 models from AIM, Shapeways and other sources and what bothers me more is the lack of play time and opponents. To my taste, this game is open to unofficial minis and I enjoy expanding it with new models on my own. So I do not really care about the release date at all (but understand those who do). I can not forget Andrea, the game designer, looking with love on my AIM Macchis MC 200 Saettas last Saturday in Prague. I was over the moon painting them in the past and seeing him now taking pictures of the models recalling some moving family war stories.
    Also Michal, a member of the Czech Wing, does not care to much about the new models. He makes some on his own with self made molds. That is it!

    That is the Game and it's People.
    INDEED!

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    We are in the same boat, David - although I am a dwarf, you are a giant.
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    Its a big pond! I do love the fact the game is open to non-official aircraft and set pieces, it keeps me interested as I do the research and get inspiration from the people on the site. I am working on a set of P-38 Lightnings in Flying Tiger colors for a lad now . . . way too much fun. Poor Mrs Clipper will not see her table top for a few months as the Zeppelins take over!

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    Quote Originally Posted by clipper1801 View Post
    I am working on a set of P-38 Lightnings in Flying Tiger colors for a lad now . . . way too much fun.
    That will be interesting to see.

    I think it's a great mix. The game lends itself to creativity in rules, reapaints, original designs, etc. And you guys (the members of this website) do a fantastic job of bringing using those ideas and helping them see the light of day. It's incredible all the things I have seen on the site. That said, keeping others interested comes from new releases and, that can create more folks to play against. If it's just a self-modeling game, it's limited in terms of players and interest.

    To be honest, I really want to just see the card for the Dauntless to get an idea of speed & base side to confirm that the creativity of the site members has been accurate all along. Plus I do like new things.

    (Having written that, I'm not sure why I'm really that concerned. I am happy to make house rules, and as long as they are all in good fun and consistent, I don't have to worry about 100% historical accuracy, or if my Plane is going faster than perhaps it really would have...because I'm not a stickler for that it turns out. I learned that when I allowed my son to make a plane of legos and fly it in a mission.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by clipper1801 View Post
    I am working on a set of P-38 Lightnings in Flying Tiger colors for a lad now . . . way too much fun.
    OK, David; that's almost more inspiration than I can take. Can't wait to see them!

    Quote Originally Posted by Gotham Resident View Post
    :To be honest, I really want to just see the card for the Dauntless to get an idea of speed & base side to confirm that the creativity of the site members has been accurate all along. Plus I do like new things.
    The Dauntless is an official card, from the Fire from the Skies boxed set.
    Here's a card that Max Headroom did:
    http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/alb...hmentid=126909
    And a set of RNZAF ones starting here: http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/alb...hmentid=125995
    If you need the official ones scanned, just ask.
    Karl
    It is impossible for a man to begin to learn what he thinks he knows. -- Epictetus

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    To be honest: it's absolutely me who (for the game purposes) decide which planes are so called iconic. For me, they are PZL-P11, Ki-43 and Macchi MC 200, let's say.
    I do not think ARES will produce them in a forseable future, if ever. But I had to have them and I have them now. They are mine, precioussssss.
    On the other hand - I prefer to have more of already released minis for different theatres, like Med. So I have bought a bunch of P-40s from Magister Militium and will have the desert fighters very soon painted and ready to battle. Frankly, I do not need any series 6-7-8-9 to have fun playing the game, so I do not wait for them.
    The fun is here and now.
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    My feelings exactly Andy.
    I have what I need for the next two years of Malta and the Desert give or take a Storch or two. Well one actually.
    in WW1 i have many more planes than i have actually used. The same aircraft in different livery have ceased to entice me unless it is a specific one I would like such as Albert Ball.
    So I just get on with it and play as much as I have time for, which I admit is far more than my wargames armies have been used over the years.
    Rob.
    "Courage is the art of being the only one who knows you're scared to death."

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    Quote Originally Posted by P-51D View Post
    ... Personally, I have no interest in do-it-yourself aircraft from Shapeways, Aim, or anywhere else. I a already up to my neck in painting and modeling with War At Sea models I buy from Shapeways.
    I have a few but looking for the official releases, too.

    Dauntless bombers...
    Voilŕ le soleil d'Austerlitz!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marechallannes View Post
    I have a few but looking for the official releases, too.

    Dauntless bombers...
    I'll take whatever Ares will release
    Karl
    It is impossible for a man to begin to learn what he thinks he knows. -- Epictetus

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    All the do-it-yourself stuff is great for those with the talent, time, and desire to build them or the money to purchase them. There are certainly a lot of talented individuals on these forums alone that add a whole lot to both versions of the game. For the rest of us that may be lacking talent, time, and the money for extras outside of what Ares produces, it is the new releases that keep the game going and people buying. Those of us die-hards here on the Aerodrome make up a very small percentage of those who play and buy the game around the globe. Of that small percentage, an even smaller percentage make their own planes from model kits, 3D printers, molds, or a third party manufacturer. Therefore, the vast majority of us are dependent on Ares to provide us with the product to keep the game interesting, fresh, and varied. Furthermore, it is Ares product that provides me a place to play and meet new people. My LGS has no interest in selling your products or the products of a small time online operation like AIM. If I don't have Ares products that the masses are willing to buy, I have nothing to convince the LGS owner to keep our game night available to us, or to entice him to continue ordering Wings of Glory products. I am happy for those of you who are so talented and have the time to make your own planes, but the reality is you are a very small number of fish in an ocean of players. If you were the majority, Ares wouldn't need to make the game at all and they wouldn't have a market to sell to.

    So, until Ares comes out and cancels the game, I am turning to them to provide me with new and exciting product. If/when a cancelation occurs, then I would need to analyze what Ares did not manufacture and only then would I consider adding planes through other available options. Currently, I want to open my wallet and give my hard earned money to Ares for a product they produce that comes completely painted, with a real base with the planes stats on it, and with an official deck of cards. Those of you saying that you don't need Ares or their new releases or any release dates aren't changing my opinion or my reality that two years between fighter releases is simply too long. On the contrary, you are minimizing my predicament and frustration, along with many individuals both here on these forums and within the gamers who buy, collect, and play WGS around the globe. Although, I realize you mean no offense, your off handed way of telling me "to deal with it" and "find other options" does not address my issue and the way I currently enjoy the game and have enjoyed it now nearly for a decade. I am happy you are complacent with what you are currently receiving from Ares and other third party manufacturers. But, I will point out that you guys are the fringe and not the mainstream. The mainstream is anxious for more product and Ares has failed thus far in 2015 to provide any, despite their plans to originally add 3 new waves of product in 2015. More importantly, its the fighters that keep the game going and we are encroaching on two years since the last group of fighter releases with every passing day.

    In no way is Ares a bad company or incompetent. I am sharing my request for more fighter aircraft to not only help them sell more product, but to satisfy my own needs and desires for the game. As far as iconic aircraft are concerned, it is true that a lot of what is considered important is done on an individual level. However, we all know there are certain aircraft revered around the world and justly considered as "iconic". Those include many that have been already released like Spitfires, 109s, Mustangs, Flying Fortresses, Zeros, and many more. However, there are plenty of others left like Corsairs, P-38s, FW-190A, 109G, Dauntless, Avenger, Kates, and many more that we would like to see in an official capacity, not prop-less planes from Aim, not planes with crappy surface flaws from Shapeways, not with my crappy paint jobs and crooked decals. One can dream that Ares will get us some aircraft into production soon!! Although my wallet begs you not to, I am the master of said wallet and it will yield to my will!
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    I am in Bellagio, Italy right now and really tempted to try to get a car or call the Ares offices to ask for an update. However, I doubt either of those options will accomplish anything so I wait.

    The only power I feel I have is to withhold my money (like Daniel I have plenty available to spend on WW2 product) and by way of protest not purchase anything related to BoB until at least series 6 is released. You see, I too can play the proxy game. Since I have the early WoW A and B decks to use for the Series 1 Spitfires and 109's I can just use those with the series 5 planes that I already own. If I do not wear my glasses I will not even be able to tell the difference between the models.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jager View Post
    I'll take whatever Ares will release
    Karl
    I will second that Karl! I'm here and waiting Ares...

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    All ARES has to do is deliver and my wallet is open!

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    Quote Originally Posted by P-51D View Post
    All the do-it-yourself stuff is great for those with the talent, time, and desire to build them or the money to purchase them. There are certainly a lot of talented individuals on these forums alone that add a whole lot to both versions of the game. For the rest of us that may be lacking talent, time, and the money for extras outside of what Ares produces, it is the new releases that keep the game going and people buying. Those of us die-hards here on the Aerodrome make up a very small percentage of those who play and buy the game around the globe. Of that small percentage, an even smaller percentage make their own planes from model kits, 3D printers, molds, or a third party manufacturer. Therefore, the vast majority of us are dependent on Ares to provide us with the product to keep the game interesting, fresh, and varied. Furthermore, it is Ares product that provides me a place to play and meet new people. My LGS has no interest in selling your products or the products of a small time online operation like AIM. If I don't have Ares products that the masses are willing to buy, I have nothing to convince the LGS owner to keep our game night available to us, or to entice him to continue ordering Wings of Glory products. I am happy for those of you who are so talented and have the time to make your own planes, but the reality is you are a very small number of fish in an ocean of players. If you were the majority, Ares wouldn't need to make the game at all and they wouldn't have a market to sell to.

    So, until Ares comes out and cancels the game, I am turning to them to provide me with new and exciting product. If/when a cancelation occurs, then I would need to analyze what Ares did not manufacture and only then would I consider adding planes through other available options. Currently, I want to open my wallet and give my hard earned money to Ares for a product they produce that comes completely painted, with a real base with the planes stats on it, and with an official deck of cards. Those of you saying that you don't need Ares or their new releases or any release dates aren't changing my opinion or my reality that two years between fighter releases is simply too long. On the contrary, you are minimizing my predicament and frustration, along with many individuals both here on these forums and within the gamers who buy, collect, and play WGS around the globe. Although, I realize you mean no offense, your off handed way of telling me "to deal with it" and "find other options" does not address my issue and the way I currently enjoy the game and have enjoyed it now nearly for a decade. I am happy you are complacent with what you are currently receiving from Ares and other third party manufacturers. But, I will point out that you guys are the fringe and not the mainstream. The mainstream is anxious for more product and Ares has failed thus far in 2015 to provide any, despite their plans to originally add 3 new waves of product in 2015. More importantly, its the fighters that keep the game going and we are encroaching on two years since the last group of fighter releases with every passing day.

    In no way is Ares a bad company or incompetent. I am sharing my request for more fighter aircraft to not only help them sell more product, but to satisfy my own needs and desires for the game. As far as iconic aircraft are concerned, it is true that a lot of what is considered important is done on an individual level. However, we all know there are certain aircraft revered around the world and justly considered as "iconic". Those include many that have been already released like Spitfires, 109s, Mustangs, Flying Fortresses, Zeros, and many more. However, there are plenty of others left like Corsairs, P-38s, FW-190A, 109G, Dauntless, Avenger, Kates, and many more that we would like to see in an official capacity, not prop-less planes from Aim, not planes with crappy surface flaws from Shapeways, not with my crappy paint jobs and crooked decals. One can dream that Ares will get us some aircraft into production soon!! Although my wallet begs you not to, I am the master of said wallet and it will yield to my will!
    Again, agreeing with you all the way. I personally wouldn't buy anything other than Ares planes as I'm a sucker for detail and nothing in 1/200 has come close in terms of quality. I have 2 small children and making and painting my own models would be an impossibility. I would also be satisfied with 2-3 releases a year although my wallet is currently relaxing on some tropical island at the moment and not complaining. It is also bitter sweet for me as I still have a lot to acquire before I could think of purchasing Series 6. I just wish there was a decent local supplier. No Heavies or late war fighters available anywhere in NZ at the moment and I don't see them ever arriving. In order for me to remain a fan of this game I have to pay out the rear in shipping etc not to mention the wait time. In saying that I love Ares and will always support them, I just hope they will start to show WGS more love. Andrea, you listening?

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    Yes I am.
    I am not into production, so I only have personal opinions and not official statements to do.
    But I can confirm that both Series 6 and BoB are under work and most probably Series 6 will come sooner, with BoB following. No need for strikes.
    I joined the Associazione Ludica Apuana & Friendes in September at their huge Midway day, I just spent a weekend at the Prague Summer Con with so many great scenarios based on unofficial miniatures, I see all the description and photos around of home games and public demos and modelling... and I am amazed by what the most creative gamers are capable of doing to make this game lively and variated.
    At the same time, I'd hope I could offer the same variety with the official game, but it would take ages. So I am glad if players go ahead and I am happy that Ares is not Games Workshop or similar, struggling to keep people playing with official materials (and making it obsolete every now and then to push new buys). At the same time, I am not a modeller any more and I am a lousy painter, so I am glad for every single model that we manage to release with Ares for all the people like me. And for all the casual players, the potential players, the families with kids needing something sturdier than resin. The BoB approach is an attempt to give a new approach to ww2 where the ww1 philosophy of "just bring on any nice miniature, people will mix them freely" is working less. There will be a basic historical coherence of time and place, an approach more oriented to squadron than to individual planes... Something more appealing to wargamer, actual and potential, even if for with a light simulation like our game.
    Distribution is an issue, I hope that we will do steps forward with that too. In the meantime, thanmks so much to our distributors and to all shops who still feature our stuff.
    Thanks everybody!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xen View Post

    and does anyone here actually LOVE all the japanese planes? or are they purely included to be fodder for the American fans?
    Seems a lot of people here (self included) LOVE the Russian stuff... with this new release we now have 16 Japanese planes to fly across 5 types. Russian has 3 a 4th thats questionable.
    I really love the Zeros and the Vals. I have 15 Zreos and 9 Vals. I enjoy the Pacific theater. But I also love the Europe theater as well. If Ares re-releases these planes I will get more with the new cards.

    Thomas

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angiolillo View Post
    But I can confirm that both Series 6 and BoB are under work and most probably Series 6 will come sooner, with BoB following. No need for strikes.
    I really like your non defensive and humorous response. I hope to eventually obtain all the BoB stuff even though my main thrust will always be on the WitP (War in the Pacific). I live in California only five minutes away from the USS Hornet, so the history has a greater significance to my perspective. Thank you for not forgetting about the WitP as a priority!

    On a side note, it is too bad I do not have a vehicle to travel from Bellagio because it would be cool to visit the place where the magic happens (I also love Battle of Five Armies). Not complaining about being on lake Como of course.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marechallannes View Post
    A good friend and capital forumer told me: Buy the stuff and they will produce more. I did, but the number of my co-buyers is a manageable quantity.

    So if the WGS section would sell miniatures like FFG sells the X-Wing stuff, they would bombard us with new minis, paint shemes, bombers, etc.


    When the Oberst give us this sneak preview, everybody was happy. He and Ares Games didn't promise us a release date. But I talked this weeked to Andrea the game designer and the painting shemes for the Dauntless bombers are choosen. (That's all I know - didn't see anything or get more information - and didn't ask for a release).


    So I understand anybody who complains if he's a pure WGS gamer and plays every week WGS. This is not satisfying.


    Please be patient - we will get them.
    Sven, two HUGE to you for your update on this subject. Firstly for your words of assurance that things are actually happening ... But it is just that they are taking their time. In England we have a saying about 'letting bureaucracy function' which sounds very applicable to the way this is all sounding. I certainly am a week-in week-out WGS player at present but that is mostly because up until now I have been engaged in learning the game. I too can count my regular WGS opponents on one finger and agree with why you are finding the numbers of WGS buyers somewhat limited at the moment.

    Second Thank You - for enquiring as to the situation and finding out that Ares Games have the SBD Dauntless from the new WGS Series at this stage of production. Like I say your words are both convincing but most of all assuring in the overall 'Do Not Lose Hope WGS Fans' Campaign.

    This is just my opinion (IMHO) but something I do not personally find very encouraging is the stupidly excessive sale prices for out of production now I am able to turn my attention to collecting them. It could be that I am not alone feeling this every time a Messerschmitt Bf.109 or Bader Hawker Hurricane sells for the prices they do on E-Bay: One Bf.109 just recently for positively jaw-dropping GBP (Ł) 41.00! This could be leading to a general feeling of frustration building up alongside the fact that WGS appears to be WGFs neglected sibling ... Whilst in the meantime brand new subjects and releases for WGF are appearing as somewhat of a regularity. Ares Games need to re-assess their priorities based on market demand and customer opinion towards the burgeoning (growing) world of WGS.

    Either that or through this Website encourage WGS Fans to branch out and explore the shear versatility of this Wargame as opposed to becoming fixated on just all the time. Training missions and scenarios especially if playing Solitaire are a good start every time a new Miniature is acquired ... Get out there and actually fly the beast. An excellent example of where this has happened and been documented as things unfolded on here can be found under WGS / WWII Missions - Circuits and Bumps. I also noted from another of your postings Sven that you too appear to like the idea of regular training or new players learning with a tutor and up through the ranks they go. An excellent way to operate Sir
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    Quote Originally Posted by Angiolillo View Post
    Yes I am.
    I am not into production, so I only have personal opinions and not official statements to do.
    But I can confirm that both Series 6 and BoB are under work and most probably Series 6 will come sooner, with BoB following. No need for strikes.
    I joined the Associazione Ludica Apuana & Friendes in September at their huge Midway day, I just spent a weekend at the Prague Summer Con with so many great scenarios based on unofficial miniatures, I see all the description and photos around of home games and public demos and modelling... and I am amazed by what the most creative gamers are capable of doing to make this game lively and variated.
    At the same time, I'd hope I could offer the same variety with the official game, but it would take ages. So I am glad if players go ahead and I am happy that Ares is not Games Workshop or similar, struggling to keep people playing with official materials (and making it obsolete every now and then to push new buys). At the same time, I am not a modeller any more and I am a lousy painter, so I am glad for every single model that we manage to release with Ares for all the people like me. And for all the casual players, the potential players, the families with kids needing something sturdier than resin. The BoB approach is an attempt to give a new approach to ww2 where the ww1 philosophy of "just bring on any nice miniature, people will mix them freely" is working less. There will be a basic historical coherence of time and place, an approach more oriented to squadron than to individual planes... Something more appealing to wargamer, actual and potential, even if for with a light simulation like our game.
    Distribution is an issue, I hope that we will do steps forward with that too. In the meantime, thanks so much to our distributors and to all shops who still feature our stuff.
    Thanks everybody!
    Thanks Andrea for the response! it is heartening to hear that projects on the WGS side are proceeding forward. I am not complaining as much as I am lamenting the lost opportunities. We play WGF/WGS on the same night that X-wing/Armada/and Star Trek are played at my LGS. Although, I collect and buy X-wing, as I am an avid Star Wars fan, I go to the LGS once every two weeks to support the incredible games of WGF and WGS. When Ares took over for the defunct Nexus, WOW at my LGS had essentially died. The owner had clearanced his remaining WOW product, canceled the gaming group, and dedicated the time and table space to other games. When Ares began producing new product with some regularity, I approached him and requested a table and a night once a month to play and even gave him incentive to do so by offering to front the money on a $500.00 order to get the product back in the store. He refused my offer, but did order in a small amount of product and offered a couple month trial of having a dedicated night every two weeks. A friend and I started attending his Sunday afternoon free play hours and brought our WOW/WOG products with us to do a little demoing. Within a couple weeks we had brought back a handful of old players and added 5 new players. Our first night was well attended and we filled the table (barely) and people bought the small amount of product he had on hand and even did a few special orders. The LGS owner was evidently pleased and ordered more product. We apparently did enough to be allowed to keep our table time and eventually a few months later expanded to 3 of the 9 tables he had available. Then the dark times came with the launch of X-wing. Too many players defected to the Rebellion and instead of playing WOW/WOG went to the X-wing tables. Its been a battle ever since. We are now down to once a month and one table and although we occasionally get some of our former players to play with us, instead of X-wing, we are on the verge of collapse. The complaint from most of our now former players is the trickle pace of new product for WGS and the lack of a second series of fast fighters. The WGF side of things has also been adversely effected by X-wing but remains staunchly healthy compared to WGS, this again is in part in my opinion to the more frequent releases. Gamers tend to be fickle and gravitate towards whats new and exciting. I know I have had quite a few former players stop by and ask about new product and that they want to know when more new product will be available so they can and play.

    Anyway, I am just as happy playing at home with my family and close friends as my large collection has become a pain to transport. However, its game store play that will keep new blood coming into the game and buying new product. Its through the sells of these products that the game can continue and we can get new planes and the larger variety we crave. Please don't take my passion for the wonderful games you created and take it as cold hearted criticism of a game company that I feel can do nothing right, when in reality all I am trying to do is get my voice heard and say "HEY ARES!!!" we are here and willing to buy your product!!! Are you interested in my money??

    So get us those SBDS, P-47s and the BOB packs so we can continue to support an amazing game and a fairly priced quality product! Many thanks for your ear!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CappyTom View Post
    I really love the Zeros and the Vals. I have 15 Zreos and 9 Vals. I enjoy the Pacific theater. But I also love the Europe theater as well. If Ares re-releases these planes I will get more with the new cards.

    Thomas
    I enjoy Japanese planes as well, but I agree with Xen, some more Soviet aircraft would be nice to have, maybe a Mig-3 or PE-2 Peshka. But, there are two issues for me. Number 1, the Soviets are Allied and not Axis, therefore you can't simply change out Soviet planes for Japanese ones. Although, I would LOVE a few more Italian planes en lieu of more Japanese planes for a change. The fact that we don't have a Folgore for this game yet is inexcusable!! Especially considering the designer is Italian! My second issue is in part related to the first one, the Soviets are Allied aircraft and would need to take the place of other Allied nation's aircraft! Personally, if the releases were more frequent I wouldn't care so much, but I don't want to give up the Dauntless, P-47, Corsair, or P-38 to get Soviet planes first. After those come out, I would love to see a Soviet plane or two, perhaps even another French one!

    All that being said, I hope series 6 gets to us soon and we can take the P-47 and Dauntless off the list! Series 7 with the Corsair and P-38 is exactly what my Pacific Theater squadrons need, so please leave those be!

    After that, my next big American want would be the F6F Hellcat, but a couple Soviet planes sneaking in there before it came out wouldn't bug me at all!

    Heck, I am still a little bummed that piece of junk I-16 "Ratta" that we received the expansion deck for never saw the light of day as a miniature!! How about doing a Kickstarter for that Ares? I don't think the I-16 would fit well with the releases you are currently doing, but an independent I-16 Kickstarter project would certainly get funded by us diehards!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan-Sam View Post
    To P-51D: +1
    To P-51D: +1 from me too!

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    Actually, a wave with a Rata, an A5M Claude, a P-26 Peashooter and if there was one a Euro-Axis (or even Franco's Spain, before Condor Legion's Bf109s arrived) equivalent might be a good transitional wave, bridging the gap between "Last Biplanes" and the "modern" retractable-gear closed-cockpit monoplanes.

    As an aside, for the "Golden Wings" fans, while not suitable for WWII it might be interesting to do a Kickstarter for some of the colorful Peashooter squadrons of the 1930s.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Diamondback View Post
    Actually, a wave with a Rata, an A5M Claude, a P-26 Peashooter and if there was one a Euro-Axis (or even Franco's Spain, before Condor Legion's Bf109s arrived) equivalent might be a good transitional wave, bridging the gap between "Last Biplanes" and the "modern" retractable-gear closed-cockpit monoplanes.
    How about the Macchi C.200 Saetta?

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    I think we're drifting too much into the "what-I-wish-for-myself-next" direction...
    Voilŕ le soleil d'Austerlitz!

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    Good point Sven!!

    Back on topic!

    ARES, Give me SERIES SIX ie the DAUNTLESS or give me death!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marechallannes View Post
    I think we're drifting too much into the "what-I-wish-for-myself-next" direction...
    Interesting points relating to Italian WW2 aircraft types though like the Macchi 200 Saetta and Mc-205 Veltro (both of which get my vote as I am into my WW2 Italian Aviation.)

    Boeing Pea-Shooter: What is or was 'Golden Wings' as I have never heard of this before? I agree that on the whole this type is 'out of reach' for both WGF and WGS as we know them however. Which is a shame as over the other side of The Pond from where I am currently sat the type was quite influential during the 1930s. But it's this which we are trying to steer clear of - anything which is from the more obscure dimensions of WW2 and back into the more popular arenas / theatres of action. Hence the thunderous reception the SBD Dauntless is receiving ... No doubt only to become more thunderous when it actually arrives (or should that be eventually arrives!)

    If the SBD not 'in the flesh' so to speak by my 50th Birthday I'm buying the CAUTION: I currently only look 49 ... Blame an illustrious career flying the Boeing MD-11F for the rest of that story!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by P-51D View Post
    How about the Macchi C.200 Saetta?
    They are here already. AIM exceptional 1/200 models painted. My precioussss. Had fun time painting them. Ready for action. Played them during Prague Summer Con last weekend.
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    Those are some awesome looking pieces of kit Andrzej

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diamondback View Post
    Actually, a wave with a Rata, an A5M Claude, a P-26 Peashooter and if there was one a Euro-Axis (or even Franco's Spain, before Condor Legion's Bf109s arrived) equivalent might be a good transitional wave, bridging the gap between "Last Biplanes" and the "modern" retractable-gear closed-cockpit monoplanes.
    Dewoitine 510.

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    At the start of World War II, D.510s were still in operation with three Groupes de Chasse (Fighter Groups), two Escadrilles Régionale de Chasse (Regional Fighter Squadrons in North Africa), and two Escadrilles de Aéronautique Navale (Naval Aviation Squadrons).

    In Morocco, one escadrille of D.510s (ERC571) was activated in November 1939. These planes lacked cannon. In May 1940, this escadrille merged with ERC 573 to form GC III/4. This groupe was disbanded by the end of August 1940. At Dakar, one groupe designated GC I/6, remained in service until being replaced by Curtiss H-75s at the end of 1941.

    Fourteen D.501s (named D.501L), originally sold to Lithuania, and two D.510s ostensibly intended for the Emirate of Hedjaz saw service in the Spanish Civil War, arriving in mid-1936. When the French government found out about the delivery of the D.510s, they demanded the return of the 12Y engines. The aircraft were then refitted with Klimov M-100s (a Soviet-built copy of the 12Y) from a Tupolev SB bomber. The aircraft served with the Republican forces. The two 510s were posted to the 71st Coastal Defense Group. Neither engaged enemy fighters. In 1938, one was irreparably damaged while landing and the other was destroyed on a runway during a bombing attack.

    In 1938, 18 Chinese D.510s saw action against the Japanese, including the defense of Chengdu and the Chinese wartime capital Chongqing

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    Speaking of SBDs I thought this was a pretty cool article

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...an-seabed.html

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    I was referring mainly to the so-called "Golden Age" of the inter-war years when military and civilian aircraft frequently competed in air races, and both US Army and US Navy aircraft used yellow paint on their wings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Diamondback View Post
    I was referring mainly to the so-called "Golden Age" of the inter-war years when military and civilian aircraft frequently competed in air races, and both US Army and US Navy aircraft used yellow paint on their wings.
    Understood - Definitely have a US Navy Brewster F2A-2 upstairs with yellow painted wings in my 1/72 kit-built aircraft collection. It's actually on display up there now so I will remember this every time I see it. Thanks for that

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diamondback View Post
    Actually, a wave with a Rata, an A5M Claude, a P-26 Peashooter and if there was one a Euro-Axis (or even Franco's Spain, before Condor Legion's Bf109s arrived) equivalent might be a good transitional wave, bridging the gap between "Last Biplanes" and the "modern" retractable-gear closed-cockpit monoplanes.
    Heinkel He-51 (biplane fighter): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinkel_He_51

    Heinkel He-112 (monoplane fighter): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinkel_He_112 (could also be used as a He 70 recon unit, with a different move deck)

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    I hope we receive some news by August 15th...

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    August 15, 1945. This year will be the 70th anniversary of the day the Japanese surrendered, or V-J Day. Since series 6 is heavy on the War in the Pacific planes it would be a great day to at least announce the release date.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tokhuah View Post
    August 15, 1945. This year will be the 70th anniversary of the day the Japanese surrendered, or V-J Day. Since series 6 is heavy on the War in the Pacific planes it would be a great day to at least announce the release date.
    Not to mention the 75th Anniversary of Adlertag on August 13th ...
    (just getting another BoB jab in there)

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    Checks PayPal... Yep, I am up for a double release of Pacific+BOB

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    Good decesion, Scott This two new special releases are something that we terribly need from the second series. The first one was OK - half BoB and half Pacific, second may be too, but then there was a problem. So, hope you will get your sets soon

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tokhuah View Post
    August 15, 1945. This year will be the 70th anniversary of the day the Japanese surrendered, or V-J Day. Since series 6 is heavy on the War in the Pacific planes it would be a great day to at least announce the release date.
    I second that statement!

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