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    At Historicon this weekend I was talking to a few WOG players about the WWII planes. Some are under the opinion that we may never see anymore WWII planes. WWI seems to more popular and when you look at their site they seem to be putting more into fantasy games these days. Also it has been over 18 months since this thread was started and no new WWII planes have come out. Love the ARES planes so I do hope they continue the WWII range.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobP View Post
    At Historicon this weekend I was talking to a few WOG players about the WWII planes. Some are under the opinion that we may never see anymore WWII planes. WWI seems to more popular and when you look at their site they seem to be putting more into fantasy games these days. Also it has been over 18 months since this thread was started and no new WWII planes have come out. Love the ARES planes so I do hope they continue the WWII range.
    In all fairness, Ares did put out the B-17 and Lancaster roughly 9 months ago. We have heard that the next series of planes is in development, as well as a new starter for WWII. But, who knows if any of that will hit the market. I for one certainly hope so. I really hope to at least get Series 6 and Series 7 as they are currently planned. Beyond that, there are still a lot of planes I hope they get around to making. Hopefully, we see something new for WGS by the end of the year. It's kinda sad that originally 3 release were planned for WGS this year and it's half way through July and not only do we not have any new product, but not even a hint as to a potential release date for even one new release.

    I hope this isn't a repeat of the whole Nexus fiasco, but for WGS only. The game has so much potential to explode in growth, but they just can't get any sustained traction. The heavies were a mistake in timing in my opinion. The should have done a follow up set to series 5 within a few months, then did another and put out a nice assortment of the 'fast' fighters and then done the heavies as a Kickstarter like they are doing with WGF. Those heavies had to be time and resource expensive to design and produce and I think we are now paying the price for it in the form of this long delay in releases. Then again, it could just be production issues in China, so who really knows what is going on. But the silence from Ares is deafening. With each month that passes and no new word on future planned WGS releases, my hopes dissipate further.

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    The "fast fighters" just don't make for as good a game IMHO. 1 or 2 firing passes with a Fw190 or Spitfire IX and someone is hitting the silk nine times out of ten, where's the skill? The opportunity to turn the tables? or hang out in a losing fight twisting and turning looking for the home edge of the table?

    A Battle of Britain starter set and a Pacific starter set, That's what'll sell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlgyLacey View Post
    A Battle of Britain starter set and a Pacific starter set, That's what'll sell.
    What he said!

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    Quote Originally Posted by P-51D View Post
    In all fairness, Ares did put out the B-17 and Lancaster roughly 9 months ago. We have heard that the next series of planes is in development, as well as a new starter for WWII. But, who knows if any of that will hit the market. I for one certainly hope so. I really hope to at least get Series 6 and Series 7 as they are currently planned. Beyond that, there are still a lot of planes I hope they get around to making. Hopefully, we see something new for WGS by the end of the year. It's kinda sad that originally 3 release were planned for WGS this year and it's half way through July and not only do we not have any new product, but not even a hint as to a potential release date for even one new release.

    I hope this isn't a repeat of the whole Nexus fiasco, but for WGS only. The game has so much potential to explode in growth, but they just can't get any sustained traction. The heavies were a mistake in timing in my opinion. The should have done a follow up set to series 5 within a few months, then did another and put out a nice assortment of the 'fast' fighters and then done the heavies as a Kickstarter like they are doing with WGF. Those heavies had to be time and resource expensive to design and produce and I think we are now paying the price for it in the form of this long delay in releases. Then again, it could just be production issues in China, so who really knows what is going on. But the silence from Ares is deafening. With each month that passes and no new word on future planned WGS releases, my hopes dissipate further.


    i think they need to concentrate on the iconic a/c much more than the multi seaters to start with to get players hooked on the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by milcoll73 View Post
    i think they need to concentrate on the iconic a/c much more than the multi seaters to start with to get players hooked on the game.
    Well Said Sir

    However I also agree that a Battle of Britain starter set and a Pacific starter set will both sell and attract new players whilst also being desperately needed. Not more speed or more firepower both of which are potential game-killers.

    The proof of this is the way that my Glory WW2 / WGS playing career started back in February 2015 with the Bi-Planes of WW2 (Gloster Gladiator versus Fiat CR.42 Falco.) These days I still have much fun playing WGS with this same pairing due to their good capability match and superior manoeuverability ... Even though I have so many of the other WGS Official collected since including multi-engine types. Games go on for hours compared with the five if that minute skirmishes I have been playing with the Bristol Beaufighter Mk IVF (Davoud Edition) versus the Kawasaki KI-61-I-KIAD Hien: The two biggest firepower game-killers currently available IMHO.

    Adding more speed just turns gaming into an aerial ballet with the occasional shots exchanged ... The Supermarine Spitfire Mk IX versus Focke Wulf Fw.190D-9 being the classic example of this when it occurs.

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    I agree with Phillip. Corsair, Dauntless, Lightning are the three iconic US planes that would be popular releases on this side of the pond but are sadly missing from the WWII offering. BTW, nothing projected for GenCon. Spiel perhaps?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tokhuah View Post
    Corsair, Dauntless, Lightning are the three iconic US planes that would be popular releases on this side of the pond but are sadly missing from the WWII offering.
    With any luck the SBD is on it's way and soon from Ares Games. But now you come to mention the P-38 Lightning and the Chance Vought Corsair I am torn between less speed more manoeuverability and what these two aircraft types would be able to offer! The Corsair may also be a popular aircraft choice on this side of The Pond too as the Royal Navy FAA operated them. However although USAAF operated the Lightning also served quite widespreadly throughout the European Theatre.

    Bearing in mind the SBD situation I totally agree with you as to the other two's absence from the WW2 Official scene and offerings being a bit of a let-down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flying Helmut View Post
    What he said!
    I would definitely buy several of both!
    BoB and 1942 Pacific are screaming to be released

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flying Helmut View Post
    What he said!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aussietonka View Post
    Well Said Sir

    However I also agree that a Battle of Britain starter set and a Pacific starter set will both sell and attract new players whilst also being desperately needed. Not more speed or more firepower both of which are potential game-killers.

    The proof of this is the way that my Glory WW2 / WGS playing career started back in February 2015 with the Bi-Planes of WW2 (Gloster Gladiator versus Fiat CR.42 Falco.) These days I still have much fun playing WGS with this same pairing due to their good capability match and superior manoeuverability ... Even though I have so many of the other WGS Official collected since including multi-engine types. Games go on for hours compared with the five if that minute skirmishes I have been playing with the Bristol Beaufighter Mk IVF (Davoud Edition) versus the Kawasaki KI-61-I-KIAD Hien: The two biggest firepower game-killers currently available IMHO.

    Adding more speed just turns gaming into an aerial ballet with the occasional shots exchanged ... The Supermarine Spitfire Mk IX versus Focke Wulf Fw.190D-9 being the classic example of this when it occurs.
    i think both those starter sets fall under the iconic title. a mid to late war european starter set would do well also i think. dont get me wrong i like multi sear/multi engine a/c fine (i love my b-17s) but i dont think theyre the rout to go to attract new players.

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    Battle of Britain 75th anniversary is upon us. Another excellent marketing opportunity missed.....

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    David: Couldn't agree more with you - Well Said Sir

    Phillip: Well Said Sir to you too as for both the BoB and Pacific 1942 themes one is forced to have to collect the much pricier Wings of War especially in terms of what has been available for the BoB. Which will also not appeal to new players yet these eras are what will most likely attract them. I too like my multi-seaters and multi-engine aircraft types but my Glory playing career began back in February 2015 with the Bi-Planes of WW2. With the purposeful aim of starting simply but understandably when I considered what other Official Miniatures were available for WW2 / WGS at the time ...

    Only after I discovered Glory did I find out about it's predecessor and the way that collecting Wings of War Official Minis would enable me to enter theatres / eras such as these two we are talking about. But the price of these did not put me off as I didn't let it as a new player back then.

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    And for every BoB starter set you'd sell most of a Heinkel

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    The BoB starter set era has been the one most mentioned to me by punters at shows. I expect in the U.S. the Pacific one has been much the same.
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    During the recent WGS Public Demonstration Day in Derby the Battle of Britain was mentioned quite frequently - however this may very well have been due to my line-up of that day featuring a Supermarine Spitfire Mk IX. The Pacific War did receive the odd mention or two throughout the day though. I guess had I been doing the same at an FLGS on the other side of The Pond far more interest in the Pacific would have been shown as also amongst my line up that day was a Nakajima KI-84 Hayate ...

    Although not the Battle of Britain elsewhere during 1940 was well represented with the other two aircraft being WW2 Bi-Planes: Malta and the Mediterranean in particular. Included these as a sharp contrast to the Spitfire / KI-84 in terms of capability and speed plus their greater degree of manoeuverability.

    Dave: I too have noticed that Heinkel He.111H have started increasing noticeably in value. Makes me glad that I have both of them already though they came at a higher price than my two other medium bomber types (NA B-25 Mitchells) did.

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    At least BoB is playable with Nexus minis if a few players get together with a couple of planes each; the Spitfire, Hurricane, Bf109, Bf110 and He111 and Ju87 were all released, and can still be purchased in the after-market arena (I myself have acquired multiple examples of all such in the last 6 - 9 months).

    The same cannot be said for the 1942 Pacific planes. The lack of an official "Kate" and "Dauntless" and "Devastator" seriously handicaps any attempt to play scenarios from the carrier battles of 1942. In particular, the "Dauntless", which accounted for 50% of the aircraft complement for some of the early US carriers!
    The classic trio of "Zeke" + "Val" + "Kate" vs the classic trio of "Wildcat" + "Dauntless" + "Devastator" (with "Avenger" planes after Midway) would provide for a host of scenarios, against ships or land targets, with decent performance balance and similar numbers used: a simple marketing group which would sell like hot cakes!

    (I know that "Kate" and "Avenger" and "Dauntless" and "Devastator" minis are available from some other manufacturers, but the simplicity of the Nexus/Ares "play it straight from the box" concept is a clear winner over these)

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    Merit makes an SBD and TBD in 1/200 and AIM has the KATE but I would like to see them from ARES. A Ju 88 for BoB would be another good addition. Sonce the bombers come out in twos they could do a Ju 88 and a SM 79 or a Betty. SM 79 would be good for Med convoy games such as Malta.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flying Helmut View Post
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    The same cannot be said for the 1942 Pacific planes. The lack of an official "Kate" and "Dauntless" and "Devastator" seriously handicaps any attempt to play scenarios from the carrier battles of 1942. In particular, the "Dauntless", which accounted for 50% of the aircraft complement for some of the early US carriers!
    The classic trio of "Zeke" + "Val" + "Kate" vs the classic trio of "Wildcat" + "Dauntless" + "Devastator" (with "Avenger" planes after Midway) would provide for a host of scenarios, against ships or land targets, with decent performance balance and similar numbers used: a simple marketing group which would sell like hot cakes!...
    At this point I have to remind that we do not have any official torpedo rules for WGS.



    This discussion animated me to order another B17G.

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    It isn't possible to design a good WW2 air-combat game, as one side (Western Allies) only flies well in the vertical plane, and one (Axis) in the horizontal plane. Picking one over the other determines which side wins; and since I've never seen a vertically-oriented tabletop....

    WG2 was doomed from the outset; we should count ourselves lucky it lasted this long. Meanwhile: If I want to play WW2, there's always _Mustangs_ and the associated expansion magazine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flying Helmut View Post
    At least BoB is playable with Nexus minis if a few players get together with a couple of planes each; the Spitfire, Hurricane, Bf109, Bf110 and He111 and Ju87 were all released, and can still be purchased in the after-market arena (I myself have acquired multiple examples of all such in the last 6 - 9 months).

    The same cannot be said for the 1942 Pacific planes. The lack of an official "Kate" and "Dauntless" and "Devastator" seriously handicaps any attempt to play scenarios from the carrier battles of 1942. In particular, the "Dauntless", which accounted for 50% of the aircraft complement for some of the early US carriers!
    The classic trio of "Zeke" + "Val" + "Kate" vs the classic trio of "Wildcat" + "Dauntless" + "Devastator" (with "Avenger" planes after Midway) would provide for a host of scenarios, against ships or land targets, with decent performance balance and similar numbers used: a simple marketing group which would sell like hot cakes!

    (I know that "Kate" and "Avenger" and "Dauntless" and "Devastator" minis are available from some other manufacturers, but the simplicity of the Nexus/Ares "play it straight from the box" concept is a clear winner over these)
    Bitter true, Tim. Meanwhile resources were exhausted to produce Lancasters (sorry, Lancs' fans) which usage in regular gaming is quite limited and not user friendly at all [once i tried to catch up with one of them in my Bf 110 nightfighter AND WILL NEVER EVER TRY THIS AGAIN ] and B-25s.
    I will risk a as well saying, that B-17s should have waited longer in odrer to produce those iconic dive/torpedo bombers and develop the appropriate rules for them. It would have been as good for USA market as producing Flying Fortresses, IMHO.
    Moreover, I will not stop criticizing the idea of publishing Me 410s and Bf 109Ks in the next wave instead of more multi-purpose models.
    What I can see from current ARES production line is that they are not that historically oriented like most of us here does, but rather "sex appeal" oriented as far as planes are concerned.

    And one more wound to penetrate. When F...G issues a new ship, like T/Bomber, there are easy and straightforward rules for bombs attached. When T/Phantom with cloaking action hits the market, you get really well thought cloaking rules attached. .
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    Wasn't the Me 410 used against bombers? I see ARES putting this out to use with the B-17s. If they waited for a later release for it, it would really be out of place.

    I do agree with all here though that the choices they have made could have been easily better. The upcoming Bob and PAC starter set releases are a good beginning. Hopefully they will do better after that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teaticket View Post
    Wasn't the Me 410 used against bombers? I see ARES putting this out to use with the B-17s. If they waited for a later release for it, it would really be out of place.
    It was used, of course - rarely.
    Maybe ARES should think of publishing He 162 or Me 163 in the next wave?
    But - do we really need another rare bird, even more rare than D-520 and used on one particular front, Peter?
    ARES will give it a 75 mm gun plus D-D-D/D-C-C fire (just my impression) and instead of shooting at the B-17s some smart guys will start using it against single engine fighters over the Western Front with cheerful faces. I know I am cruel, but it will share the fate of Beaufighters which IMHO must be target limited in missions otherwise you could easily get ahistorical results.
    We used to say "I am a lone crying man in a deep forest" saying that again and again but will never repeat it anymore , for ARES has it's own publishing policy.
    We will have Me 410, but we will not have in the forseeable future: Spit V, Spit V trop, Mc 200, Mc 202, Bf 109F/G, Yak-3, Yak-9, Sparviero, Mitsubishi Betty and many more iconic planes. And no one could look me in the eyes and tell me 410 is an iconic WWII plane.
    But it may look sexy to some of the buyers. Like Lancasters. Do you have Lancasters and how often do you play with them? Worse: have you tried to chase one of them with Me 110?
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    I agree with you. I think we have to start asking our Shapeways designer friends to start making what we want. AIM has some but has not been that fast adding new planes we are hoping for.

    I have not yet flown my Lancasters or B-17s. I am beginning to practice with my B-24/PB4Y-1, starting work on putting together a Pacific solo campaign.

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    Bf.110 Nightfighters and Me.410s were used to fight the American dayraids from mid 1943 to 1944.

    Those heavy groups suffered high losses but were effective when concentrated in mid of the Reich.

    They scored a lot victories versus incoming unescoerted US bombers from Italy.


    How iconic is a Me.410? Don''t know but I know that it has the same (low) iconic level like the whole Italian and Russian planes for me with some rare exceptions like the IL2 Sturmovik for example. ...and I think that the US boys want some different German cannonfodder for their Mustang escorts.


    In case of the F or G version of the 109ers, the FW190As and a Betty bomber, I can only agree with Adrzej.

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    ... I think we have to start asking our Shapeways designer friends to start making what we want...
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlgyLacey View Post
    A Battle of Britain starter set and a Pacific starter set, That's what'll sell.
    I know nothing of marketing, but I'm surprised these starter sets haven't been made already or weren't made to start with. If there should have been a glut of anything, it should have been a glut of these starter sets. Doesn't the average player want to replicate these historic conflicts? People want to fly Midway and the Coral Sea, but who can find or afford Wildcats? Zeros without Wildcats is half a dogfight. They also want to fly the Battle of Britain, but who can find or afford Spitfires or Messerschmitts? One had their chance back in the day of course, but now it's just rare and expensive leftovers.

    My fault for being late I guess, but from a purely personal perspective, I really don't care one whit about those shiny new bombers from 9 months ago. They're very expensive, and what I care about is getting the basic early war planes I can't find or afford. I was able to buy a suitable number of early war pacific planes, but it was costly and I'm priced out of the aftermarket for BoB planes. Frankly, until I can get them, WWII Europe is probably not something I'll be investing in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Savoir Faire View Post

    My fault for being late I guess, but from a purely personal perspective, I really don't care one whit about those shiny new bombers from 9 months ago. They're very expensive, and what I care about is getting the basic early war planes I can't find or afford. I was able to buy a suitable number of early war pacific planes, but it was costly and I'm priced out of the aftermarket for BoB planes. Frankly, until I can get them, WWII Europe is probably not something I'll be investing in.
    Although I am a happy owner of all the old stuff, I can only back and applaud that opinion.
    A marketer would say: leave those shiny big bombers apart and fill the market with hundreds of differently painted Bf-109s, Hurries, Spits Wildcats and Zeros, add some Stukas, Kates and Dauntlesses and your sells and incomes will sky rocket.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightbomber View Post
    Although I am a happy owner of all the old stuff, I can only back and applaud that opinion.
    A marketer would say: leave those shiny big bombers apart and fill the market with hundreds of differently painted Bf-109s, Hurries, Spits Wildcats and Zeros, add some Stukas, Kates and Dauntlesses and your sells and incomes will sky rocket.
    And I would be in that line immediately.
    I only bought the Lancasters, B17s, and late model Spits, FW190s, Me110s, Mustangs (from Keith, naturally) so that I would not miss out yet again.
    It will likely be a year or more before I attempt anything with them. I was hoping for the BoB and Pac42 starter sets to give me some relatively simple scenarios to learn from.

    Surely, if they have any kind of marketing savvy, those will be out in the next few months. Even if just to add to the new "eWog" being touted on Kickstarter ....

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    still nothing....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canestri10 View Post
    still nothing....
    Hopefully now ARES have cancelled the development of Electronic Wings of Glory they will be able to make greater efforts towards the output of their promised new WGS releases. That and the Battle of Britain / Pacific War reprints which have been discussed in several other threads. The trick is how not to feel disheartened and encourage others who appear to feel like that that one day the new releases will appear ... Just not yet.

    Think creatively ... This is after all a most versatile wargame. Especially if you play WGS Solitaire like I find myself doing lots. A good example of which is something which I achieved the other day: Bringing down a Messerschmitt Bf.110C-7 with a Gloster Sea Gladiator. On the third attempt I succeeded

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    Once more: Ares did not develop WoG for ePawn. WGS was only licenced for this platform, so there is the same time for Ares now like with ePawn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan-Sam View Post
    Once more: Ares did not develop WoG for ePawn. WGS was only licenced for this platform, so there is the same time for Ares now like with ePawn.

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    Even an announcement to say there will be an announcement would be nice....

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    all these planes are excellent choices

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canestri10 View Post
    Even an announcement to say there will be an announcement would be nice....
    I also agree that all these planes are excellent choices: They would be even more excellent choices if they were actually released! The ongoing saga as to when they will be appearing is getting a bit like a broken record!

    Thing is though - one day with all of these new sat neatly in our collections / carry-boxes we will all look back on these seemingly dark days with a touch of nostalgia. Unless of course we are put through the same again regarding the next batch of new WGS releases in which case we will probably be too busy twiddling our thumbs (as they say in England) to the all-new sound of another broken record ...

    If we WGS players wanted to listen to broken records for the rest of our lives we would all be fans of the Spice Girls: Stop Right Now. Thank You Very Much!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aussietonka View Post
    I also agree that all these planes are excellent choices: They would be even more excellent choices if they were actually released! The ongoing saga as to when they will be appearing is getting a bit like a broken record!

    Thing is though - one day with all of these new sat neatly in our collections / carry-boxes we will all look back on these seemingly dark days with a touch of nostalgia. Unless of course we are put through the same again regarding the next batch of new WGS releases in which case we will probably be too busy twiddling our thumbs (as they say in England) to the all-new sound of another broken record ...

    If we WGS players wanted to listen to broken records for the rest of our lives we would all be fans of the Spice Girls: Stop Right Now. Thank You Very Much!!!
    Good one. So while I wait...this Sunday we will be playing WWII in Ada. I will use the old and the new. Some Franks, Zeros, P-40s and some Wildcats. I'm off to the Pacific boys and girls.

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    Thomas, I remember reading about the Ada event in another thread - Just wish I was not stuck on the other side of The Pond from where the action promises to be this weekend!!!

    Please may we have an AAR and some photos - hope this event is well attended and is enjoyable

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aussietonka View Post
    Thomas, I remember reading about the Ada event in another thread - Just wish I was not stuck on the other side of The Pond from where the action promises to be this weekend!!!

    Please may we have an AAR and some photos - hope this event is well attended and is enjoyable
    Fairs fair with that, Barnaby; there's lots of action I would love to partake in on your side of the Pond
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jager View Post
    Fairs fair with that, Barnaby; there's lots of action I would love to partake in on your side of the Pond
    Karl
    Thanks to the Aerodrome the one thing we can and are able to do quite proactively is support WGS-orientated events on both sides of The Pond. Request AARs and Photos to show that despite this ongoing New Releases saga WGS is far from a scene of despair and disappointment. People who are thinking of giving it up ... In fact have every reason not to give up but to hang on in there. The Best Things Come To Those Who Wait.

    Even if we get the odd bad joke about the Spice Girls along the way! If that goes and makes one discouraged person laugh and stay within the world of WGS then that will make my day

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aussietonka View Post
    Thanks to the Aerodrome the one thing we can and are able to do quite proactively is support WGS-orientated events on both sides of The Pond. Request AARs and Photos to show that despite this ongoing New Releases saga WGS is far from a scene of despair and disappointment.
    This is a good point! I like the idea of requesting AARs...

    ...on a related note, I wonder how many members would be willing/able to submit BoB-themed AARs before the end of October (an accepted end-date for the BoB)?

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    I'm sure one of my Squadron Leaders can come up with something on Doncaster.
    Kyte.
    "Courage is the art of being the only one who knows you're scared to death."

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    On the Ares website under Upcoming, all the new entry says for October 2015 is 'Odyssey - Wrath of Poseidon'. It does not even mention 'Flight of the Giants'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Naharaht View Post
    On the Ares website under Upcoming, all the new entry says for October 2015 is 'Odyssey - Wrath of Poseidon'. It does not even mention 'Flight of the Giants'.
    True... but it's my understanding that Keith has his laser working overtime (heh, that sounds pretty darn cool) producing the little acrylic bits/tokens/etc. for GotS. I can't predict when these beauts will ship, but I trust they're in the hopper.


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    I was looking on the ARES Games website earlier on today - nothing mentioned at all for WW1 / WGF or WW2 / WGS as far as I could see. However one thing I did notice alongside 'Odyssey - Wrath of Poseidon' was that ARES appears to have pumped a great deal of time and effort into developing ... Another game involving sailing ships! As if so soon after the release of Sails there is the need for a ficticious version involving pirates. ARES had better be careful about spreading itself too thinly over too many markets: As if to say that there aren't enough fantasy / ficticious wargames on the market already particularly when Wings of Glory appears to be suffering across the board now as a consequence!

    In economics this is what is known as Opportunity Cost. If ARES Games gets it wrong and suffers this is what is known as Opportunity Lost!

    Why are they either not hearing or not listening to us ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by fast.git View Post
    on a related note, I wonder how many members would be willing/able to submit BoB-themed AARs before the end of October (an accepted end-date for the BoB)?
    Me for one now that I have a Belgian Hawker Hurricane Mk I / all three Supermarine Spitfire Mk I / Mk IIs from the Official Wings of War Collection which I could team up against the Messerschmitt Bf.110C-7 and Heinkel He.111H-3 from Wings of Glory. Am still devoid of any Messerschmitt Bf.109Es or Junkers 87 Stukas in this neck of the woods to act as authentic Axis opposition to this choice of four Allied fighters mostly because I only ever see these selling for sky-high prices ... But at least I will now be able to do something to commemorate this important anniversary that is still historically accurate.

    Otherwise my next option would be to create a two-on-two Supermarine Spitfire Mk IX versus Focke Wulf Fw.190D-9 / 13 scenario which would run along the lines of a BoB-esque theme but using these later war aircraft-types ...

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    Not good news indeed, Barney.
    What I may say about ARES products so far - it's hats off. Very good quality games and excellent customer service I did tested.
    But it is business. Some projects are sometimes being deleted from the agenda. Hope not This Game. I know, it may turn into a selffulfilling prophecy as Rob wrote once.
    What I see is the game does not sell well. The planes does not sell well here - I mean in my region of Europe. You can buy most of them in one online store in my country, but the newer big planes are not available at all in Prague, the capital city of Czech Republic, a neighbor country (Forumers from Prague asked me to buy and bring the big planes to Prague Con what I of course did. Why? The pricing/warehouse policy of ARES in Europe is strange and price rising friendly (yes!) That is why WoG minis are too expensive comparing to other quality miniature products like X-Wing miniatures for example (available all the time, official local language versions, new waves several times a year, product support).

    This is not a marketing policy aimed at game growth, but rather at keeping it on last legs before kicking the bucket.
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    Well, Santa might just have something for us for Christmas this year after all....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oberst Hajj View Post
    Well, Santa might just have something for us for Christmas this year after all....
    Agreed Sir: This e-mail was received four days ago from Ares Games in reply to a product enquiry ...

    Dear Barnaby
    thanks for the nice words! We definitely have more WW2 miniatures in the works. Stay tuned, as our upcoming wave (including beloved planes such as the Thunderbolt, the Dauntless, and Bf-109K) will be announced soon.
    All the best,
    Roberto


    So from this I gather we are back to the broken record-style saga as to the WGS new releases instead of any form of wholesale wipeout for WGS. Which I am relieved about being a full-time WGS player.

    NOTE 1: This is my 1000th Posting on The Aerodrome!

    NOTE 2: Instead of waiting around for new WGS releases and listening to broken records somebody has gone and created an aircraft for WGS of their own: Fully compatible conventional bomber! I know it's not WW2 / Traditional WGS ... Regard this more of a trophy aircraft:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oberst Hajj View Post
    Well, Santa might just have something for us for Christmas this year after all....
    That would be terrific! (I'm behind on my Series 5 purchases, but good news on 6).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oberst Hajj View Post
    Well, Santa might just have something for us for Christmas this year after all....
    Let me make some calculations...
    Christmas sales mean preorders at AA around Sep/Oct, right Sir?
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