Here it is:
The first of four for my combats in Poland, 1939.
One of my favourite planes ever.
It will see so much action!!
And one of them will have a pilot named Andy. One wonders why?!
PZL P11 Made me surrender to Shapeways And I'm Glad I Did
Here it is:
The first of four for my combats in Poland, 1939.
One of my favourite planes ever.
It will see so much action!!
And one of them will have a pilot named Andy. One wonders why?!
My flight of PZL-P11 is complete.
Can you tell what is Joachim's and Andrzej's planes?
Going up!
Underbellies.
Numbers can't be easily seen. But they're there.
Plunging into combat!
You are truly exceptional man, gamer and painter, Quim!
Many thanks for recalling these unique Polish birds to life
"We do not stop playing when we get old, but we get old when we stop playing."
Thanks, dear friend!Originally Posted by Nightbomber
You are truly exceptional man, gamer and painter, Quim!
Many thanks for recalling these unique Polish birds to life
And can you find out what is your plane?
And mine?
I see my "Yellow Heart" and yours - the "Thunder Arrow"?
"We do not stop playing when we get old, but we get old when we stop playing."
You've got yours right!! That's for sure!
Mine... You should read "The kindness of strangers". An hint: Although its stated in several of them, in the "A letter from the Soviet Union" it's explained the unique (not very unique) mark in Joachim's plane.
Better get the committee working on the stats for it.
Thanks, dear Zoe.
I'm working with:
L Deck / 11 hit points / B-A damage
What do you think?
Red nosed?!You've got yours right!! That's for sure!
Mine... You should read "The kindness of strangers". An hint: Although its stated in several of them, in the "A letter from the Soviet Union" it's explained the unique (not very unique) mark in Joachim's plane.
"We do not stop playing when we get old, but we get old when we stop playing."
I have only two Shapeways PZLs, but also like them a lot!
Sometimes they challenge 1939 Bf 109s
"We do not stop playing when we get old, but we get old when we stop playing."
Red nosed?!
You've got it!!
They're beautiful, Andy!I have only two Shapeways PZLs, but also like them a lot!
You should put them in the Official PZL P11 Thread.
Your BF-109 are also beautiful!I have only two Shapeways PZLs, but also like them a lot!
Sometimes they challenge 1939 Bf 109s
Mine will engage some Bf-109 in the next days. And Stukas.
We'll see what will happen.
Wonderfull planes chaps! Thinking about going the shapeways path to now... I'm in need of Schwalbes
Cool!!Wonderfull planes chaps! Thinking about going the shapeways path to now... I'm in need of Schwalbes
Nice paint job, Joaquim. I like the personal markings. Always good for a friend to cover your back
I have it down as having A-A damage; few of the operational ones had the 4 MGs, and those that did weren't rigged to fire both sets at the same time. Weight for the second pair was an issue too.
Karl
It is impossible for a man to begin to learn what he thinks he knows. -- Epictetus
Thanks, Karl. You're awesome.
Excellent job, Joaquim. Your birds are really awesome.
As for stats:
- L-deck seems reasonable
- 11 hp as well
- fire damage A/A
- max alt 10
- climb rate 3
70% of these planes were equipped with 2 MGs only. Although there was a plan to increase firepower of all airplanes only 1/3 were actualy equipped. Flight tests proved that additional MGs and ammo decreases manouverability and speed of the aircraft, so the re-arming was cancelled.
Thanks Rafał.
I would definitely go for B/A damage. Two guns are definitely more formidable then 1 and we have A/A fire of bomber rear gunners. That means A/A for PZL would be just unfair.
Even Ki-43 Hayabusa equipped with 2 mgs is classified B/A (ok, later model II was sometimes equipped with one 12mm and one 7,9mm guns).
"We do not stop playing when we get old, but we get old when we stop playing."
I tend to agree with you, Andy.
Even if the firepower was smaller, the PZL P-11 was an excellent platform so I think that even with 2 mg's I would go with B/A.
There is a custom deck for monoplanes of this speed at http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/dow...o=file&id=1244
ZJ Deck : For P-26, PzL-11, Dewoitine 510 and all monoplanes with speed 355-400 km/h (173.9 KB)
Empty weight 1.3 tons = 13 HP (12+1.3)
Armament A/A (sorry.. the mgs only fired 1200 rpm each) but 12 turns firing.
Last edited by Zoe Brain; 02-05-2014 at 02:27.
Thanks, Zoe.
Thanks for the update, Zoe
"We do not stop playing when we get old, but we get old when we stop playing."
A possibility is to use the ZL deck for the 2 gun version (better maneuverability), the ZJ deck for the 4-gun one. That one would be B/A.
Nice idea. Summarizing the discussion we have:
PZL P-11c (two MG version):
- ZL-manouver deck
- 13 hp
- fire damage A/A
- max alt 10
- climb rate 3
PZL P-11c (four MG version):
- ZJ-manouver deck
- 13 hp
- fire damage B/A
- max alt 10
- climb rate 4 (my proposal, as climb rate was affected as well)
Seems reasonable.
I have printed the custom cards of Max Headroom with B/A upgunned version for my PZLs and will use the ZJ deck.
"We do not stop playing when we get old, but we get old when we stop playing."
Can you point me towards these special decks Andy. I have searched the WWII files in vain.
Rob.
"Courage is the art of being the only one who knows you're scared to death."
Here they are, my friend:
http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/dow...o=file&id=1244
My calcs have a climb rate of 4 for the basic model (12-14m/s) with a much slower one to 7Km, so I would give it a 5 for the 4 gun model.
Ceiling comes to a 9 (8Km).
For the purist, most of my sources that mention the 4 gun models (1/3rd) also say that only 1 pair could be fired at a time, so unless you are using ammo rules, not a lot of point.
Why they rigged it this way,
Karl
It is impossible for a man to begin to learn what he thinks he knows. -- Epictetus
Thanks Joaquim.
They will come in very handy.
Rob.
"Courage is the art of being the only one who knows you're scared to death."
I am late, Rob, but Quim was fast enough
"We do not stop playing when we get old, but we get old when we stop playing."
This was the antenna, Karl.Why they rigged it this way,
Karl
"We do not stop playing when we get old, but we get old when we stop playing."
Great looking planes! Well done.Here it is:
The first of four for my combats in Poland, 1939.
One of my favourite planes ever.
It will see so much action!!
And one of them will have a pilot named Andy. One wonders why?!
Thomas
You are all bad boys putting these up again to remind me, because I know eventually when I have finished with my Italians, I will have to get a couple.
Rob.
"Courage is the art of being the only one who knows you're scared to death."
I'm thinking a have a brace of them myself; if not, they'll certainly be on my next order
Karl
It is impossible for a man to begin to learn what he thinks he knows. -- Epictetus
Great looking planes
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