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    After reading many comments about delays in producing models and repaints. I would add the following comments I too am frustrated by the delays in production, but Nexus is not the only company that are slow in production. I game other periods such as WW2, Dark Ages, 700 scale ships ect, I also have found them to be slow in production, not only that they are not what I wanted or asked for, the models/figures seam to be made on the producers imagination or your period is not as popular as dwafs eating magic mushrooms.
    After 45 years of purchasing like it or not you are at the mercy of the producer, so the best thing is to use what is there and enjoy the game, after all that's the reason I play.
    Onto the other point, the reason I like WOW minatures is because they are already painted, at my age of 54 my eyesight and treblling hands repaints are not! an option. However having said that I am not knocking those who do as they produce some excellent work which I admire. One solution may be for Nexus in each batch of 3 is to have two painted models and 1 unpainted model for those who like to paint their own model's. What do other gamer think?

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    Very interesting comments Doug. As you will see from my other posts, I have waxed lyrical about the failings of Nexus to come up to the mark. I can quite understand that they have delays in producing a complex model, but can't understand the release dates being nearly a year out. They should not make a statement until they are sure of meeting a deadline. To do otherwise only enrages the punters. I never experienced this with other wargaming because being a conservative type of person, and seeing so many lines dry up before completing the armies, I never buy until the line is completed. That is why I have not started a Napoleonic army yet. Still waiting for the 54th Foot and mouth Regiment.
    Rob.
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    Yes I agree Rob Nexus one failing is that they promise models but you are forever wating for them. I would rather they let us know of new releases closer to the actual release date.

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    Could be worse... could be a computer game production. PC Games releases are notoriously late (by years... not months!)
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    To be fair as a manufacturer I've only found one solution to the problem - I flat out refuse to give release dates any more, which also annoys the hell out of some customers, so I rather suspect there's no right answer....

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    PS - As for "not what you want or ask for" - I'm afraid that's just good sense at times, especially the "ask for" bit - most of my worst sellers exist by "popular demand".... The unfortunate fact is that there's little to no correlation between what people ask for (usually obscure and requested by vocal minorities) and what they actually buy, so a company generally needs to be cautious about how much faith it puts in requests - generally speaking using your own judgement, and bearing heavily in mind what actually sells from your existing ranges, will give a better result.

    Probably the reason for this is that the most vocal customers are the ones most passionate about the period, who are therefore more likely to ask for somewhat obscure but interesting stuff. That's great as far as it goes, but the more casual players (and let's face it, WoW is aimed at this market, not passionate WWI buffs) are (a) less likely to be saying *anything* to the manufacturer, and (b) not interested in the same things, as they may well simply have never heard of what's being requested by the diehards as it were.
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    As someone who has been an avid re-painter, the white models are not always the best ones to repaint. I can always paint something white if I need it, but some of the lozenge patterns under the wings and the lack of some decals, particularly those that have white printed in them are more of an issue and thus more the limiting factor. (The above comment about decals should in no way be interpreted as a complaint about Dom's, his decals are fantastic and he is one of the few producing this scale. Keep up the good work!) Some of these items such as lozenge decals are available, but often they do not match the planes very well and they take a tremendous amount of work to get right. I appreciate that they produce three very different models so that I can choose which plane to repaint based on all the colors, roundels, lozenges and markings I will need to complete the project. I have on occasion picked a base model solely on the lozenge pattern on the bottom of a particular wing, or a specific marking that would be troublesome to reproduce. This being the case, I would not advocate having a white version of every plane, but instead keeping up a good mix to choose from.

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    Doug!

    You make great points about release dates! Nexus seems to announce products for release by the quarter. I know that they are stuck if a snag hits the old production line. Retailers project dates for new releases that are mythical at best. At 57 i build my 144 scale WW2 planes from kits or do repaints of pre-painted planes! I have no patience with my own building speed!
    Patience is the key with Nexus, they may take some time to deliver but they do!


    Rich

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    I don't mind waiting as it gives me time to save up the money to buy the miniatures. So far the miniatures have been well worth the wait. Try building and painting 12 miniatures, and see how long that takes. For me it would take forever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gregbond77 View Post
    I don't mind waiting as it gives me time to save up the money to buy the miniatures. So far the miniatures have been well worth the wait. Try building and painting 12 miniatures, and see how long that takes. For me it would take forever.
    Hi Greg.
    I know exactly what you mean. I have done a lot of modeling in my time, and took some very sound advice before starting on that trail. After a lot of thinking ,and not a little trouble sourcing the parts that either needed to be of a stronger material or were not provided, I commenced on the build. The casting needed some filling and fettling, but actually went together quite well. After finding the most useful assembly aids were the jigs provided, I then came to the undercart which had no jig. This was tricky to say the least, and took a lot of time before I was satisfied.
    Nevertheless, I am now embarked on plane no 2. but do not envisage doing many of them. The only reason for not waiting eor W.O.W. was that they are not on the next two releases, and at my Age I would like to get some use out of them whilst I still can.
    To conclude, I found it a worthwhile experience, but would not have taken it on without some of the specialist modeling tools which I possess. A small drill, saw, and needle files being very useful.
    Rob.
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    Greg!

    If you look at the photo below you will see a mass shot of HE-111`s and Hurricanes another shot of Me-110`s all but four i have built in the last four months! I forgot about The JU-88`s. I built one of those also!
    I know about building in groups. At the same time i built two Mig-3`s and two I-16`s!

    Rich
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    Quote Originally Posted by richard m schwab View Post
    Greg!

    If you look at the photo below you will see a mass shot of HE-111`s and Hurricanes another shot of Me-110`s all but four i have built in the last four months! I forgot about The JU-88`s. I built one of those also!
    I know about building in groups. At the same time i built two Mig-3`s and two I-16`s!

    Rich
    I was just pleased to have got two planes built in a week, and you go and show me up with these splendid babies. Phenomenal as usual Rich. I don't know how you find the time for all this, and do such brilliant work.
    Rob.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flying Officer Kyte View Post
    Hi Greg.
    I know exactly what you mean. I have done a lot of modeling in my time, and took some very sound advice before starting on that trail. After a lot of thinking ,and not a little trouble sourcing the parts that either needed to be of a stronger material or were not provided, I commenced on the build. The casting needed some filling and fettling, but actually went together quite well. After finding the most useful assembly aids were the jigs provided, I then came to the undercart which had no jig. This was tricky to say the least, and took a lot of time before I was satisfied.
    Nevertheless, I am now embarked on plane no 2. but do not envisage doing many of them. The only reason for not waiting eor W.O.W. was that they are not on the next two releases, and at my Age I would like to get some use out of them whilst I still can.
    To conclude, I found it a worthwhile experience, but would not have taken it on without some of the specialist modeling tools which I possess. A small drill, saw, and needle files being very useful.
    Rob.
    You made some very good points for those who are about to attempt to build their own. Was the first one the Brisfit? The landing gear always gave me problems as well. But I found a trick that seems to work quite well, if you are interested let me know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by richard m schwab View Post
    Greg!

    If you look at the photo below you will see a mass shot of HE-111`s and Hurricanes another shot of Me-110`s all but four i have built in the last four months! I forgot about The JU-88`s. I built one of those also!
    I know about building in groups. At the same time i built two Mig-3`s and two I-16`s!

    Rich
    Very nice. You do excellent work. As an added bonus I think you drove Flying Officer Kyle to the bar again! So excuse me, I'm going to see about getting a few free drinks.

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    Greg!

    I only meant to encourage him to build more planes. Not to return to his favorite pass time!! I had to force myself to build those planes. I could have been on here harassing Kyte instead!

    Rich

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    Was the first one the Brisfit? The landing gear always gave me problems as well. But I found a trick that seems to work quite well, if you are interested let me know.[/QUOTE]
    Hi Greg.
    As you have probably gleaned from our other thread by now, the first plane was indeed the Biff. I still found that I needed three hands when it came to the Tripe's undercart, in spite of modifying my approach somewhat. Any additional comment from yourself would, therefore, be gladly accepted. The experience has certainly not put me off tackling another model. I may try the seaplane next.
    Rob.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flying Officer Kyte View Post
    Was the first one the Brisfit? The landing gear always gave me problems as well. But I found a trick that seems to work quite well, if you are interested let me know.
    Hi Greg.
    As you have probably gleaned from our other thread by now, the first plane was indeed the Biff. I still found that I needed three hands when it came to the Tripe's undercart, in spite of modifying my approach somewhat. Any additional comment from yourself would, therefore, be gladly accepted. The experience has certainly not put me off tackling another model. I may try the seaplane next.
    Rob.[/QUOTE]

    On the other thread I mentioned what I thought were two good seaplanes from Reviresco. And no I do not work for them. Anyway, Landing gear; First put a dab of white glue on a palette. Let it develop a skin(dry some on the outside). This makes the white glue nice and stickey. Now take the three pieces of the landing gear, put the axle thru the struts. Poke a whole thru the skin of the glue and squeeze( I roll a tooth pick across it) some of the white glue out. Using the white glue, glue the axle to the landing gear struts. Then before the glue drys all the way, position the landing gear on the upside down aircraft( no glue between the landing gear struts and the fuselage) make sure everything is straight and level. Let dry. Now instead of three pieces you have one( that fits and is straight and level). Paint. When you are ready to put the landing on during final assembly, glue the struts to the fuselage with permanent glue. Now again using permanent glue, glue the wheels on the axle. The idea is the white glue holds the three pieces together for painting and ease of assembly. By using permanent glue to hold the struts to the fuselage and to hold the wheels to the axle, it give the whole assembly strenghth. I hope that makes sense.

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    Hi Greg.
    Yes it makes perfect sense thanks. I had already decided that Reviresco was the way to go. I just don't like the look of Skytrex in spite of having their balloon which is very good for the money. \as I have just ordered the Crossfire module from the States, and pre ordered more of the series planes than is good for my bank balance, I'll have to wait for a bit before I send for the seaplanes. They are ,however, on my list.
    Rob.
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    I agree, this game has imploded my bank balance. But I've been waiting a long time for something like this( a nice set of WWI aircraft in the same scale) to come along. If I don't buy them now, I will regret it later, big time. For furture reference, I'm sure you have already figured this out, the landing gear trick will not work for float planes undecarrage.

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    I have sworn off buying until i build half the planes in my to build rack! That i about 40 kits as i try to count them!

    Rich

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    Quote Originally Posted by richard m schwab View Post
    I have sworn off buying until i build half the planes in my to build rack! That i about 40 kits as i try to count them!

    Rich
    I am a novice with the planes Rich, so don't have your problem. My loft is weighted down with unpainted Medieval soldiers at the moment.
    Rob.
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    Quote Originally Posted by richard m schwab View Post
    I have sworn off buying until i build half the planes in my to build rack! That i about 40 kits as i try to count them!

    Rich
    I have a whole bunch of unbuilt 1/144 white metal WWI aircraft. I have trouble sitting down and building them as well. If I spent as much time working on them as I spend on this site I'd be half done by now. I have yet to take apart the Sopwith Triplane mock up, it has been sitting for a few months now, plus I've finished the Sopwith Dolphin and Fokker D-VI mockups. I need to get these done, mabey a little motivation is in order. Office Kyle, do you happen to have a spare rack I can barrow?

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    Office Kyle, do you happen to have a spare rack I can barrow?[/QUOTE]

    Sure do Greg, but you will have to pop over and collect it.
    Rob.
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    Rob!

    Does this come in a set with the Iron Maiden and Thumb Screws? I saw the ad on TV!

    Rich

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    Quote Originally Posted by richard m schwab View Post
    Rob!

    Does this come in a set with the Iron Maiden and Thumb Screws? I saw the ad on TV!

    Rich
    Got them in a Tower of London clearance sale. In addition to the Iron Maiden, I acquired a ducking stool, Lead Zeppelin, and Def Leopard. As you can see all seconds with faults.
    Rob.
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    Richard and Rob, Just to clear up a minor misunderstanding, I said motivated not mutilated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gregbond77 View Post
    Richard and Rob, Just to clear up a minor misunderstanding, I said motivated not mutilated.
    Good reposte Greg.
    Rob.
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    Greg!

    With Kyte`s choice of so called music you would also be deaf, but not a Leopard!

    Rich

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    Quote Originally Posted by richard m schwab View Post
    Greg!

    With Kyte`s choice of so called music you would also be deaf, but not a Leopard!

    Rich
    No one would have to listen to my gramophone records if someone had taken up my suggestion and brought some new ones back from home leave, but they didn't.
    I bought the gramophone and am damned if I will supply it with records too.Especially since the mess's main occupation when on a bender seems to take a delight in skimming them at each other across the bar, and Greg has the audacity to mention the word mutilate.
    Kyte.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flying Officer Kyte View Post
    I am a novice with the planes Rich, so don't have your problem. My loft is weighted down with unpainted Medieval soldiers at the moment.
    Rob.
    I feel your pain. 28mm Renaissance seemed such a good idea several years back - number of figures purchased: 440. Number of figures painted: 0

    That's not to mention over 200 1/72 WW1 aircraft kits in a similar state of unpaintedness.
    Run for your life - there are stupid people everywhere!

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    Well you know what to do with the kits Steve...

    Think of all the space you can free up...

    Mmmmmm... plastic (sounds like Homer's Mmmmm... donuts)

    Adrian

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    Quote Originally Posted by ara398 View Post
    Well you know what to do with the kits Steve...

    Think of all the space you can free up...

    Mmmmmm... plastic (sounds like Homer's Mmmmm... donuts)

    Adrian
    Get rid of them???! Are you mad????! Wash your mouth out with soapy water immediately!
    Run for your life - there are stupid people everywhere!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guntruck View Post
    I feel your pain. 28mm Renaissance seemed such a good idea several years back - number of figures purchased: 440. Number of figures painted: 0

    That's not to mention over 200 1/72 WW1 aircraft kits in a similar state of unpaintedness.
    And I thought I had problems!
    Rob.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guntruck View Post
    Get rid of them???! Are you mad????! Wash your mouth out with soapy water immediately!
    Mmmmm, soapy water, I'll have a double, with ice, shaken not stired.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gregbond77 View Post
    Mmmmm, soapy water, I'll have a double, with ice, shaken not stired.
    Why not go for the more exotic. Washing up liquid and aftershave, shaken and not stirred. and really we should move this to the officers club, because we are off topic again chaps.
    Rob.
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    Ah, to build or not to build that is the question.
    To paint or not to paint, ah there`s the rub!

    Rich

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    Quote Originally Posted by richard m schwab View Post
    Ah, to build or not to build that is the question.
    To paint or not to paint, ah there`s the rub!

    Rich
    Yea Rich, But our planes are armed with more than slings and arrows, even if the Explosion card ensures that fortune is outrageous.
    Rob.
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    Rob!

    It is the Fickle Finger Of Fate card that keep the game interesting!


    Rich

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    Ok, back on topic, sort of, Are the Caproni and the Gotha going to require some assembly? I am hoping that they follow their usual practice of attaching the struts to the top wing and pre-paint. As that would make assembly a whole lot eaiser. Then it might actually finish another one before the fickle finger of fate points in my direction. Well I'm off to find a straw that will fit the aftershave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gregbond77 View Post
    Ok, back on topic, sort of, Are the Caproni and the Gotha going to require some assembly? I am hoping that they follow their usual practice of attaching the struts to the top wing and pre-paint. As that would make assembly a whole lot eaiser. Then it might actually finish another one before the fickle finger of fate points in my direction. Well I'm off to find a straw that will fit the aftershave.
    I quite agree Greg. The struts are far more difficult than anything I have tackled so far. Help from anyone with experience in building these would be of value.For pictures see W.W.1 Biff thread on this forum.
    Rob.
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    After see the pic's of the Biff and the Triplane, your the one who should be giving advice. Since you asked and said you are going to try a German plane next, here is how I did the struts on my Pfalz D-XII. Outside struts first. Glue to top wing only. Set in bottom wing(no glue) to make sure level and aligned. Next only one of the inside struts glue to top wing only, set in bottom wing, make sure level and aligned. Repeat with other inside strut. Then glue struts to bottom wing. During the pre-build I make sure the tabs on the struts fit loosely in the holes in the wings as this gives some wiggle room to line everything up. Also during the pre-build you may have to switch struts around to get it all to line up( ie. take outside left strut and move to inside right). Follow directions for cabine struts, glue to top wing then bend to fuselage.

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    Since you asked and said you are going to try a German plane next, here is how I did the struts on my Pfalz D-XII. Outside struts first. Glue to top wing only. Set in bottom wing(no glue) to make sure level and aligned. Next only one of the inside struts glue to top wing only, set in bottom wing, make sure level and aligned. Repeat with other inside strut. Then glue struts to bottom wing. During the pre-build I make sure the tabs on the struts fit loosely in the holes in the wings as this gives some wiggle room to line everything up. Also during the pre-build you may have to switch struts around to get it all to line up( ie. take outside left strut and move to inside right). Follow directions for cabine struts, glue to top wing then bend to fuselage.[/QUOTE]

    Thanks for the compliments Greg, and the advice on the Pfalz. It may be a float plane next but I will retain your info on the Pfalz for my future use.
    Rob.
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    Does anyone know if they already have, or plan to produce, models for Immelmann or Boelcke?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Craftorian View Post
    Does anyone know if they already have, or plan to produce, models for Immelmann or Boelcke?
    I believe series five has the following :-
    Moraine Sauliner.
    Fokker E 3.
    Airco DH2
    Halberstadt D 111.
    I got this info from one of the other threads.
    If you don't want to wait and fancy having a go at building your own, Then Skytrex and Reverisco produce some.
    Rob.
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