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    Does anyone have loadouts for all the official wow wog planes capable of bombing?

    I know someone must have them lurking in a file somewhere?

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    The info was in the old `Flight of the Giants` ruleset and you can find a downloadable rulebook here.
    http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/dow...do=file&id=541
    While largely superceeded by the new rulebook it still worth reading for the bomb loadouts and some special rules for the bigger giants that dont have official mini`s yet.

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    You have to pay for the new rulebook (rules and accessories pack), on the other hand. But maybe you already knew that.

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    I have the latest addition rules, just never picked up 'fotg'.

    Can't say that I've seen it anywhere in the wog rules.

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    They don't have it in the wog rules because there are only gotha's and caproni's in wog.
    Also, by what do you mean loadouts? How heavy of bombs they can hold?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobit View Post
    They don't have it in the wog rules because there are only gotha's and caproni's in wog.
    Also, by what do you mean loadouts? How heavy of bombs they can hold?
    Lets say for example;

    A Breguet BR.14
    Typical bombs carried: ???? x lbs ???? y lbs
    Full Capacity: ???? z lbs

    Giving options for loadouts, and bombs carried if applicable.
    Just the weights mostly, to keep track of how many you can carry. It mentions in the WoG rules about carrying a 'full payload' somewhere, and restrictions in climb rates/maneuvers.
    It doesn't mention what those total loadouts are for each plane.

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    256 Kilograms maximum. You can find more info on page 14 of the rulebook, not including title page. They don't have typical loadouts, I would guess that largely depends on the target and range of the mission.

    It might be hard to see, but there's a link on "the rulebook" above.

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    This is what it gives Hayden

    Aircraft ---------------Max Bomb Load (Kg)
    Breguet BR.14 B2-----------256
    Bristol F.2 Fighter-----------108
    Caproni Ca.3----------------800
    Caproni Ca.4----------------1438
    Curtiss H.16-----------------105
    De Havilland/AIRCO D.H.4----208
    Felixstowe F.2A-------------105
    Friedrichshafen G.III---------1000
    Gotha G.V-------------------500
    Handley Page O/400---------1655
    LFG Roland C.II--------------50
    Phönix C.I-------------------50
    Pomilio PC-------------------150
    Royal Aircraft Factory R.E.8--112
    Royal Aircraft Factory S.E.5a--45
    Rumpler C.IV-----------------100
    Saml S.2---------------------40
    Sopwith Camel---------------36
    Sopwith Snipe---------------36
    Ufag C.I---------------------150
    Zeppelin Staaken R.VI--------2000

    Lifted this from a thread I found

    Info on German Bombs Carried by their larger Bombers:

    The German P.u.W. bombs were: 12.5kg (27.5Lbs); 50 kg (110lbs.) 100kg (220lbs), 300 kg (660 lbs) and 1000 kg, (2200 lbs.).
    The 12.5kg bombs were internally stowed horizontally in bomb racks in most "C" types and "G"types.
    The 50 & 100 kg bombs were externally stowed in bomb racks under the fuselage on some "C" types
    and the 300 kg bombs were fuselage stowed under the fuselage of the AEG G.IV, Fdh G.III and Gotha G.II - G.V with the 50 & 100 kg bombs stowed under the fuselage or wings.
    The 1000 kg. bombs were stowed under the fuselage of the Fdh. G.IIIa, Fdh. G.IV and Fdh.G.IVa.
    The Staaken "R" bomber could carry all the P.u.W. type bombs in internal racks except the 1000 kg bomb.

    Info on British Bombs:

    RFC used three types of bomb, High Explosive (ranging from the 1914 16-lb RL bomb with 7-lb of TNT to the 1918 3,300-lb SN with 1,500-lb of Amatol), Incendiary (from the 1914 Bomb Petrol Small with 6 pints of petrol, up to the 1918 Incendiary 6.5 oz containing 2.5 oz of Cendite in an Aluminium tube) and a single Anti-Personnel bomb, the 180-lb RL (AP) containing 21-lb of Amatol.

    From a link: HE type bombs: 10, 16 & 20lb (4.5kg, 7.25kg, 9kg) Hale & Cooper bombs could be strapped on scouts, 100lb (45kg), 112lb (50kg) & 230lb [from 1917] (104kg) used against structures by FE2b's, DH4's, DH9's; 520lb (236kg) Anti sub used by RNAS, 1650lb (750kg) used by HP 0/400.
    Have fun with it !
    Last edited by flash; 11-14-2013 at 00:46. Reason: Converted weights

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    Awesome! Now I have a good reference for my bomb loads.

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    Do the different bomb types do different amounts of damage?

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    Very useful Dave.
    I have saved a copy too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 7eat51 View Post
    Do the different bomb types do different amounts of damage?
    The obvious answer is yes - if you stood near a 300kg impact & then a 1000kg impact you'd notice the difference !!
    In game turns there are no values I'm aware of other than mentions of full and half loads can be dropped (which affects manoeuvrability) and hits, near misses & misses for victory point purposes.
    if you want values for bombs - as a quick and dirty rule I would say divide the weight (kg) of the bomb by 10 & multiply that by two to give a value to the bomb damage. eg 12.5kg/10 = 1.25, x 2 = 2.5, or, 50kg/10 = 5, x 2 = 10, or, 100kg /10 = 10, x 2 = 20, or, 300kg/10 = 30, x 2 = 60, or, 1000kg/10 = 100, x 2= 200
    Of course you will then need to assign appropriate values to targets, a trench/AAMG/AA have a value of 5 for strafing purposes so not a bad place to start - a couple of German 12.5kg bombs would deal with that, or maybe a handful of RFC 10 pounders (4.5kg/10 = .45, x2 = .9 but call it 1) or, a load of 16lbs (7.25kg/10 = .725, x 2= 1.45 say 1.5, or even 20lbs (9kg/10 = .9, x2 = 1.8 call it 2)
    make of it what you will !

    Knocked this up if it helps:

    RFC
    10lb - 4.5kg/10 = .45, x2 = .9 but call it 1
    16lb - 7.25kg/10 = .725, x 2= 1.45 call it 1.5
    20lb - 9kg/10 = .9, x2 = 1.8 call it 2
    65lb - 29.5kg/10 = 2.95, x2 = 5.9 call it 6
    100lb - 45kg/10 = 4.5, x2 = 9
    112lb - 50kg/10 = 5, x2 = 10
    230lb - 104kg/10 = 10.4, x 2 = 20.8 call it 21
    1650lb - 750kg/10 = 75, x 2 = 150

    RNAS
    520lb - 236kg/10 = 23.6, x 2 = 47.2 call it 47 (Anti Sub)

    German
    12.5kg/10 = 1.25, x 2 = 2.5
    50kg/10 = 5, x 2 = 10,
    100kg /10 = 10, x 2 = 20,
    300kg/10 = 30, x 2 = 60,
    1000kg/10 = 100, x 2= 200

    Check the Felixstowe F2A figures as Wiki suggests the load was twice that given in FotG.
    Last edited by flash; 11-15-2013 at 14:27.

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    Thanks Dave. Using both tables, I'm sure it's possible to divide the capacity by common bomb weights.
    So let's say that my Breguet BR14 wanted a full load of 20lb bombs...
    I would equip 12, each successful bomb inflicting 2 points of damage?

    Also, the card that shows 3 bombs could maybe do 6 points in one hit?
    Correct me if I'm veering away from what is reasonable.

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    I think the idea of the multi bomb pic was to suggest dropping the full load & the single a part or half load Hayden. I'd just nominate how many & use the card for measurements. Bombs Away !

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    Thanks for the chart Dave. This is one section of the rules I found a bit maddeningly vague.

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    Two ways to score this...

    1. Base payload ratings on the weakest bomb-capable bird in the game, say give Camel/Snipe at 36kg 1 Payload and then each 37.5kg (halfway between 25 and 50) or majority portion thereof adds another Point.

    2. Call it a flat 50kg/Point.

    I'd say drilling down to the level of individual hardpoints and selecting bombs to drop is a good idea for an Advanced Bombing component, but going by payload points and declaring how many you're dropping would be good for a simpler Introductory Bombing module.

    Maximum realism would require knowing how much weight each shackle was rated for, and how much ground clearance each station had from ground resting position through takeoff roll. You can't DROP it if you can't get it loaded, let alone off the ground safely...
    Last edited by Diamondback; 12-02-2013 at 14:06.

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    Like the idea DB - though I'd make it 2 points for the scouts bombs so they can drop a half or full payload.

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    For those interested in bomb values I got round to extrapolating this from the original workings above.

    Machine ------------- Payload Kg / lb --------------------- Damage: full load / half load
    Breguet BR.14 B2 - 256 / 564 ------------------------------------------ 28pts / 14pts
    Bristol F.2 Fighter - 108 / 238 ------------------------------------------ 12pts / 6pts
    Caproni Ca.3 - 800 / 1764 ----------------------------------------------- 88pts / 44pts
    Caproni Ca.4 - 1438 / 3170 ----------------------------------------------- 158pts / 78pts
    Curtiss H.16 - 105 / 231.5 ------------------------------------------------- 12pts / 6pts
    De Havilland/AIRCO D.H.4 - 209 / 460 ------------------------------- 23pts / 11pts
    De Havilland DH.9 - 209 / 460 -------------------------------------------- 23pts / 11pts
    Felixstowe F.2A - 209 / 460 ------------------------------------------------ 23pts / 11pts
    Handley Page O/400 - 1655 / 3649 ----------------------------------- 182pts / 91pts
    R.E.8 - 112 / 247 ----------------------------------------------------------- 12pts / 6pts
    S.E.5a - 45 / 99 ------------------------------------------------------------- 5pts / 2pts
    Saml S.2 - 40 / 88 ------------------------------------------------------------ 5pts /2pts
    Camel - 36 / 80 -------------------------------------------------------------- 5pts / 2pts
    Snipe - 36 / 80 --------------------------------------------------------------- 5pts / 2pts
    Sopwith 1˝ Strutter Two Seat - 60 / 130 --------------------------- 6pts / 3pts
    Sopwith 1˝ Strutter Single Seat - 120 /260 ----------------------- 13pts / 6pts
    Albatros C.III - 90 / 200 ------------------------------------------------- 10pts / 5pts
    Rumpler C.IV - 100 / 220 ------------------------------------------------- 11pts / 5pts
    LFG Roland C.II - 50 / 110 ----------------------------------------------- 6pts / 3pts
    Halberstadt Cl.II - 50 / 110 ---------------------------------------------- 6pts / 3pts
    Phönix C.I - 50 / 110 -------------------------------------------------------- 6pts / 3pts
    Pomilio PC - 150 / 330 ------------------------------------------------------ 16pts / 8 pts
    Ufag C.I - 150 / 330 -------------------------------------------------------- 16pts / 8 pts
    Friedrichshafen G.III - 1000 / 2205 --------------------------------------- 110pts / 55pts
    Gotha G.V - 500 / 1102 ---------------------------------------------------- 55pts / 27pts
    Zeppelin Staaken R.VI - 2000 / 4410 ---------------------------------- 220pts / 110pts - maybe option to split load down further ?

    Near misses count as half total drawn.

    Above drawn from info by dividing the poundage of bombs carried by 20 - with a base full load minimum of 5 as that destroys a trench.

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    Great list Dave. This will be very useful.

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    I would only suggest:

    - deny half load to the planes with full load value of 5

    - allow quarter load to the planes with full load value of 40 or more

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    Great work here, Dave! Makes it easy on us to replicate things even more accurately. Like others above, I've saved it, too...

    All the best,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Пилот View Post
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    ^^^^^^
    What he said

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    Flash,

    Based on your extrapolated list, and your value value of 5 points to kill a trench, how would you rate the durability of various other targets vs. a bomb strike then? Come up with that and I think you might just have answered a question a lot of us around here have really wondered about for 10 years now! ;-)
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    Right Ken.
    From steady state to Flash with his big bang theory!
    Just what we need.
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    Did I miss something?
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    Not at all Ken.
    You hit a bullseye.
    Just my feeble attempt at humour failed to go off.
    It is something sorely needed as you say for ten years.
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    I'll admit I'm more inclined to figure damage points per bomb dropped; guess it's the simulator in me. Also, you can tailor your drop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flash View Post
    For those interested in bomb values I got round to extrapolating this from the original workings above.

    Machine ------------- Payload Kg / lb --------------------- Damage: full load / half load
    Breguet BR.14 B2 - 256 / 564 ------------------------------------------ 28pts / 14pts
    Bristol F.2 Fighter - 108 / 238 ------------------------------------------ 12pts / 6pts
    Caproni Ca.3 - 800 / 1764 ----------------------------------------------- 88pts / 44pts
    Caproni Ca.4 - 1438 / 3170 ----------------------------------------------- 158pts / 78pts
    Curtiss H.16 - 105 / 231.5 ------------------------------------------------- 12pts / 6pts
    De Havilland/AIRCO D.H.4 - 209 / 460 ------------------------------- 23pts / 11pts
    De Havilland DH.9 - 209 / 460 -------------------------------------------- 23pts / 11pts
    Felixstowe F.2A - 209 / 460 ------------------------------------------------ 23pts / 11pts
    Handley Page O/400 - 1655 / 3649 ----------------------------------- 182pts / 91pts
    R.E.8 - 112 / 247 ----------------------------------------------------------- 12pts / 6pts
    S.E.5a - 45 / 99 ------------------------------------------------------------- 5pts / 2pts
    Saml S.2 - 40 / 88 ------------------------------------------------------------ 5pts /2pts
    Camel - 36 / 80 -------------------------------------------------------------- 5pts / 2pts
    Snipe - 36 / 80 --------------------------------------------------------------- 5pts / 2pts
    Sopwith 1˝ Strutter Two Seat - 60 / 130 --------------------------- 6pts / 3pts
    Sopwith 1˝ Strutter Single Seat - 120 /260 ----------------------- 13pts / 6pts
    Albatros C.III - 90 / 200 ------------------------------------------------- 10pts / 5pts
    Rumpler C.IV - 100 / 220 ------------------------------------------------- 11pts / 5pts
    LFG Roland C.II - 50 / 110 ----------------------------------------------- 6pts / 3pts
    Halberstadt Cl.II - 50 / 110 ---------------------------------------------- 6pts / 3pts
    Phönix C.I - 50 / 110 -------------------------------------------------------- 6pts / 3pts
    Pomilio PC - 150 / 330 ------------------------------------------------------ 16pts / 8 pts
    Ufag C.I - 150 / 330 -------------------------------------------------------- 16pts / 8 pts
    Friedrichshafen G.III - 1000 / 2205 --------------------------------------- 110pts / 55pts
    Gotha G.V - 500 / 1102 ---------------------------------------------------- 55pts / 27pts
    Zeppelin Staaken R.VI - 2000 / 4410 ---------------------------------- 220pts / 110pts - maybe option to split load down further ?

    Near misses count as half total drawn.

    Above drawn from info by dividing the poundage of bombs carried by 20 - with a base full load minimum of 5 as that destroys a trench.
    If I under stand correctly the Zeppelin at a 1/2 load would be 110pts of damage. Needing only 5 points to destroy a trench, the trench would be destroyed.

    A) Did I understand that correctly?

    B) I do think that larger bombers should be able to split the load down lower than 1/2? Or perhaps what about walking bombs.
    Take the load, divide by 20 points, that is the number of bomb cards placed end to end each turn.

    C) What formula did you use for your above numbers?

    Thanks,

    [Edit: the simpler the formula the better]

    P.S. I was just reading Flight of the Giant rules and on page 18 it says a bomber may have two, three or even four loads. But it doesn't say when or how it is determined to be so. So unless it is scenario based then perhaps we can come up with something simple.
    Last edited by Ken at Sunrise; 01-25-2017 at 12:58.

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    Just seen this Ken -
    A) Yes
    B) Yes - though that would depend on what bombs were carried (loads of small or a few big 'uns)
    C) Read the bottom line of the bit you quoted....!

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    Quote Originally Posted by flash View Post
    Just seen this Ken -
    [...]
    C) Read the bottom line of the bit you quoted....!
    For some reason I kept trying your formula with kilos and not getting it to work. But you do very clearly say 'poundage'. Just me being in too much or a hurry I guess.

    Thanks,

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoonSylver View Post
    Thanks for the chart Dave. This is one section of the rules I found a bit maddeningly vague.
    Me as well...

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    Do we know the source of the figures from 'Flight of the Giants' because every reference work I have seen state that the Sopwith Camel, Snipe and S.E.5a could carry four Cooper bombs, which was nominally a 20lb bomb but could weigh up to 25lbs each? So, I think that they should all be rated the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Naharaht View Post
    Do we know the source of the figures from 'Flight of the Giants' because every reference work I have seen state that the Sopwith Camel, Snipe and S.E.5a could carry four Cooper bombs, which was nominally a 20lb bomb but could weigh up to 25lbs each? So, I think that they should all be rated the same.
    No idea David, it could be as simple as 'they carried 4 cooper bombs' and the load was derived from that but you'd have to ask Andrea to be sure.
    I grouped them with the same load, points wise, so they are rated the same in that sense.

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