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    You welcome, and excuse me for more than a typo.

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    It's SOOO neat to see the new planes - and I'm so pleased you decided to do one of the flying boats as Austro-Hungarian! These all look lovely, and I'm sure I will need to get them all. Bravo!

    Always the best,
    Matt Materne

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    I think that the US Navy one operating against Pola (belonging to NAS Porto Corsini) could also interest several people here:

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    More pictures of that unit here:

    http://www.mauroantonellini.com/joom...coli&Itemid=66

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angiolillo View Post
    You welcome, and excuse me for more than a typo.
    Your apology is not warranted. I would rather have your thoughts and writings with typo's than not to have them. This is not school or college it's people from around the world exchanging ideas about their passion of a game you designed. I for one, is very thankful for you making such a delightful and thought provoking game.

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    Regarding the Strutter, and maneuver deck... it should be able to do reversals (Immelmans, Split-S)

    Book: The Bloody April
    I took up one of our aircraft to demonstrate to my pilots just what could be done with it. In the back seat I had as a passenger Tom Purdey, my Adjutant, and thinking that thirteen might be the right number, psychologically, for such a display, I performed thirteen consecutive loops. Everything about my demonstration went off very well until I landed, and then I found that I had not warned Purdey about what I was going to do, and than he had not been strapped in. Throughout the whole of the thirteen loops he had been hanging on to the fixtures in the interior of the cockpit, and grim death had been staring him in the face. He could all too easily have fallen out, and I was very angry with myself for such thoughtlessness on my part, although Purdey, after his first fright, took it all in good spirit. My pilots, I need hardly say, were delighted with what they thought was an enormous joke.
    Major Sholto Douglas, 43 Squadron, RFC Sopwith 1 1/2 Strutter

    Something to remember for series 9

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    Great looking prototypes Andrea!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Chum View Post
    Great looking prototypes Andrea!
    I like them as well

    I must admit I wanted to skip flying boats, but looking at the pictures I think at least A-H one will land in my collection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zoe Brain View Post
    Regarding the Strutter, and maneuver deck... it should be able to do reversals (Immelmans, Split-S)

    Book: The Bloody April

    Major Sholto Douglas, 43 Squadron, RFC Sopwith 1 1/2 Strutter

    Something to remember for series 9
    Very observant of you Zoe.
    I have read that account several times, and never given it a second thought, probably because Strutters do not wax large in our collections.
    Well done you.
    Rob.
    "Courage is the art of being the only one who knows you're scared to death."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zoe Brain View Post
    Regarding the Strutter, and maneuver deck... it should be able to do reversals (Immelmans, Split-S)

    Book: The Bloody April

    Major Sholto Douglas, 43 Squadron, RFC Sopwith 1 1/2 Strutter

    Something to remember for series 9
    Zoe,
    There was a discussion when I posted the cards, and I went back and adjusted them from whatever I put on them the first time. I would like to think I used the stats spreadsheet, as I usually start there for new cards. I can't find that discussion.

    I have no problem putting the V on the cards. But, is that for empty planes, or fully-loaded planes? Would it make a difference?

    PS: The original discussion was here: Can I use different maneuvre decks.

    I did initially use the V deck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGuy59 View Post
    I have no problem putting the V on the cards. But, is that for empty planes, or fully-loaded planes? Would it make a difference?
    Yes it would - those loaded with bombs would be able to do a Split-S but nothing else. They should count as if engine damaged - having to do one stall every turn - , as should all bombers with full loads. But the rules as written say otherwise. Parenthetically, the DHC9 was "fully aerobatic" without bombload too.

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    A question to the Nieuport 28.

    As far as I can see we'll get 3 versions with US markers.

    Will we get different armed versions, too? (one MG & two MGs)

    What about a special version without MGs?

    I think Keith or Tom told me in Dayton, that the first US pilots received their Neiuport 28s without MGs and flew patrol missions with it.
    Voilŕ le soleil d'Austerlitz!

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    It's a pity that I've found no evidence of crated N28s earmarked for Russia ever actually getting there. All the mentions of "N28s" in http://www.avalanchepress.com/red_star_white_eagle.php turned out on cross-checking with other sources to be N24s.

    The Bolsheviks never had strong presence in the air. They had about a dozen aircraft in the Arctic, comprising Caudron GIIIAs and a single Nieuport 28
    The WPAF and the bulk of its air forces here, with aircraft including Nieuport 28s, Spads, Pfalz D.IIIs, and Fokker Triplanes and DVIIs.
    Tkatchoff leading a squadron of six DH9s on July 6 near Melitopol, was met in combat by his equivalent, the area commander of the Red air force Peter Mesheraup, leading a pair of Nieuport 28s.
    Equipment comprised just three aircraft, a Nieuport 28 and two Sopwith 1˝ Strutters, which were active against the Bermondist faction (an alliance of German Friekorps and White Russians) during the summer and fall of 1919.
    Most disappointing.
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    just a thought regarding the Nieuport Ni-28: with the highly maneuverable F Deck and shooting with A damage deck from its twin-machine-guns, it will probably be one of the best scouts in the game... funny for a plane that was rejected by the country that produced it and only flew by the Americans until the SPAD was available in large numbers...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gallo Rojo View Post
    just a thought regarding the Nieuport Ni-28: with the highly maneuverable F Deck and shooting with A damage deck from its twin-machine-guns, it will probably be one of the best scouts in the game... funny for a plane that was rejected by the country that produced it and only flew by the Americans until the SPAD was available in large numbers...
    It only seems odd using the official dive rules. The Nieuport Ni-28 had weak V wing struts (like the Nieuport 17 and Alb DV) and so the wing tended to come off in extended steep dives. The Spad had exceptionally strong wing bracing and could dive safely for faster and longer than any other plane (except possibly the SE5a). It's for this reason and others, I use my own house rules for diving.

    PS added: I'm really look forward to getting the plane as it makes for an interesting combination of strengths and weaknesses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicola Zee View Post
    It only seems odd using the official dive rules. The Nieuport Ni-28 had weak V wing struts (like the Nieuport 17 and Alb DV) and so the wing tended to come off in extended steep dives. The Spad had exceptionally strong wing bracing and could dive safely for faster and longer than any other plane (except possibly the SE5a). It's for this reason and others, I use my own house rules for diving.
    I know... and that's why I use house rules too

    Quote Originally Posted by Nicola Zee View Post
    PS added: I'm really look forward to getting the plane as it makes for an interesting combination of strengths and weaknesses.
    yup! I'm drooling over getting all of the three new Ni-28

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    I just don't let aircraft with V struts overdive.
    Rob.
    "Courage is the art of being the only one who knows you're scared to death."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flying Officer Kyte View Post
    I just don't let aircraft with V struts overdive.
    Rob.
    I use HR a little bit more complicated:
    in my club we created a new 3 cards maneuver called "over-climb"
    It goes like this:
    Straight - Climb (earn 1 climb counter) - Stall (earn 1 climb counter)
    An Over-Dive followed by a Over-Climb is a boom&zoom maneuver.
    We don't let V strut and other 'weak' planes to over-climb after an over-dive, nor let them over-dive if they have lost 1/2 + 1 of their survival points

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    The Austrian scheme for the flying boat is really great - may look to get that instead of a CLII as my central powers' 'big plane'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flying Officer Kyte View Post
    I just don't let aircraft with V struts overdive.
    Rob.
    Or let them, but make them draw A card?

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    Hanriot Hd.1 was not used by France either... but it was great anyway. Wee appreciated it a lot.

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    Pcitures of the new aircraft form the german games fair SPIEL 20014 in Essen:











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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaiser View Post
    Pcitures of the new aircraft form the german games fair SPIEL 20014 in Essen:

    JUST LOOK AT THAT B!TCH!

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    deleted. accidentally posted twice

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    Goodness. They are pretty.

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    All the schemes are quite striking; I might have to get the Macchi M.5s just for the paint schemes.
    Thanks for posting these, Daniel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gallo Rojo View Post
    JUST LOOK AT THAT B!TCH!
    I quite agree, Ezekiel! And who's plane is this?
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    Wow, some great looking planes coming our way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jager View Post
    I quite agree, Ezekiel! And who's plane is this?
    Karl
    It's the Nieuport 28 on which Ralph O'Neill earns 4 of his 5 victories on July 1918. Details here:

    http://www.theaerodrome.com/aces/usa/oneill.php

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicola Zee View Post
    The Nieuport Ni-28 had weak V wing struts (like the Nieuport 17 and Alb DV)
    Not quite, they fixed that problem.
    But there *was* a problem with the fastening of the canvas to the leading edge of the top wing. There was no structural failure, but the canvas would come off in a dive losing most of the lift. The effects were similar. New glues and additional reinforcement (another layer of canvas and stitching on the leading edge IIRC) fixed it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angiolillo View Post
    It's the Nieuport 28 on which Ralph O'Neill earns 4 of his 5 victories on July 1918. Details here:

    http://www.theaerodrome.com/aces/usa/oneill.php

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    Ah; Thank you. Andrea.
    Karl
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    A very nice bunch of wallet openers there in no mistake.
    Rob.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zoe Brain View Post
    Not quite, they fixed that problem.
    But there *was* a problem with the fastening of the canvas to the leading edge of the top wing. There was no structural failure, but the canvas would come off in a dive losing most of the lift. The effects were similar. New glues and additional reinforcement (another layer of canvas and stitching on the leading edge IIRC) fixed it.
    Yes - you're right the Nieuport 28 unlike all the other previous Nieuports had lower wing issues and not the V strut issues. They avoided the V strut issue by using conventional 2 struts.

    On another but related note - doesn't the Nieuport 28 look great? Ares had outdone themselves in both the model and the painting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jager View Post
    All the schemes are quite striking; I might have to get the Macchi M.5s just for the paint schemes.
    Thanks for posting these, Daniel.
    Karl
    Yes, when I first heard they were coming out, I thought... nah, not really interested. Then I saw the paint schemes they were doing and it was all over. lol

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    They look wonderful indeed
    But I still wont get a seaplane - sorry

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    Never say never, Björn.

    Those Macchis have a nice performance and have twin machine guns.

    They fit perfect to the Caproni bombers and operations at the Adriatic coast.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kaiser View Post
    Pcitures of the new aircraft form the german games fair SPIEL 20014 in Essen:
    Danke schön, Daniel!
    Voilŕ le soleil d'Austerlitz!

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    The floatplanes are very interesting indeed. The overall impression would be far better however if they publish two adversaries: CP/E to allow players them parallel operations. Ares choices are strange as usual.
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    An all-white seaplane won't get lost on the gaming table. I like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RJG173 View Post
    An all-white seaplane won't get lost on the gaming table. I like that.
    Well, they were very stylish. One of them is preserved in the Polish Aviation Museum in Cracow. A Superb plane.

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    Is it just me or do the wings of the N28 look like they have flat slab edges like the reprint of series one and not proper rounded or tapered edges?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timmo UK View Post
    Is it just me or do the wings of the N28 look like they have flat slab edges like the reprint of series one and not proper rounded or tapered edges?
    Not just you Tim - the Fokker doesn't look any better if you look at it that way.

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    I'll have to live with the Fokker as I want one – the real thing had quite a thick wing although you could argue this makes it even worse. I really don't get this patchy quality thing going on. Planes like the original Camel, DRI and the Fokker DVII are superb little models… Hmmmm

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    Quote Originally Posted by RJG173 View Post
    An all-white seaplane won't get lost on the gaming table. I like that.
    Very true! And it gives good base for repainting possibilities.

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    Okay, so I’m pretty much ignorant on the whole Italian and A-H side of the war. With the Macchi M.5 coming out, how do we use them in scenarios? In fact, why was there such a focus on seaplanes on that front… A-H was completely land locked and my light research suggests that most of the fighting on this front took place in the mountains.

    Which minis do we already have or are coming out in Series 8 or 9 that could plausibly be flown against the Macchi M.5?

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    A-H Navy of the Great War era was a real force I do not have any info on their seaplanes however...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austro-Hungarian_Navy
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oberst Hajj View Post
    In fact, why was there such a focus on seaplanes on that front… A-H was completely land locked...
    You may want to double-check that map. A large portion of the eastern Adriatic coast belonged to them.


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    And, this is an aside, but here's another oddball from the aftermath of WWI.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_State_of_Fiume

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jager View Post
    Ah; Thank you. Andrea.
    Karl
    Andrea and Ares just save me a lot of re-painting time by making an official mini of this one

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oberst Hajj View Post
    Which minis do we already have or are coming out in Series 8 or 9 that could plausibly be flown against the Macchi M.5?
    I don't have the big k.u.k. aviation book (though Anthony does, and it sounds very cool), but I gather you could easily use them against any existing AH planes. It sounds liked you could even use them as escorts for Capronis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jbmacek View Post
    You may want to double-check that map. A large portion of the eastern Adriatic coast belonged to them.

    Ah, you are correct sir! The map Google pulled up for me was one showing the "aftermath" of WWI, not what it was going into/during the war. Things make much more sense now!

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    The US M.5s fought their first mission against Phoenix D.I over Pola - a land fighter, and in the next series.
    Anyway we provided an Austrian seaplane if anybody wants to depict a duel between those - a captured M.5.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angiolillo View Post
    Anyway we provided an Austrian seaplane if anybody wants to depict a duel between those - a captured M.5.
    Certainly we will take this opportunity, Andrea. Thanks for providing us with A-H seaplane, very nice painting scheme by the way!

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