As you can see here, the whole upper hemisphere is fairly unobstructed, unlike earlier craft.
As I understand the design, that was part of the reasoning. In addition, it provided superior visibility in all directions.
Also, in practice, Hannovers were often used as fighter escorts...as they could provide protection for themselves, as well as for bombers, etc.
Seems far too generous to me. In particular it should never under any circumstances be able to fire at the same target as the front gun. 360 degree arc against higher altitudes is fine, but definitely not on the same altitude, since it can't fire through the prop disc, enough of which is above the wing that on the real thing you can't bring both guns to bear on the same target.Originally Posted by Grey
Beyond that is up for debate - it's tricky as "same" altitude is a thousand feet, so as many aircraft in the same band would really be below it as above. My inclination would be a 180 degree rear arc - wider than most, but treating the wings as the normal limit, since they'd obscure anything even very slightly below the Hannover.
Last edited by Dom S; 04-25-2015 at 03:03.
Whoo Hoo! got my set last night. I was expecting a nightmare with all the griping but was pleasantly surprised. I think they are great. For what we pay for a prepainted model with cards and base ready to go out of the box I won't complain. These are in my opinion game pieces, not study models. If I want 'the' accurate paint job I'll do my own.
Now, how soon can I get these into a game?
I'm very happy with them, too!
For the Hannover fire-arc, how about this for simplicity?
Front gun, as per fire-arc.
Rear gun, all the rest of the 360 (ie excluding the fore arc)
No blind spot (special design)
Just ignore the standard rear fire-arc on the base.
Received mine today.
Got a N28, by mistake and quite glad I liked it. Yes the wings need a bit of colouring around the edges but , I can live with that.
Hanovers, like the model , only issue was the flaming top wing came off while trying to get it out of the box insert.
Maachi, really liked, the green Italian needs a touch up same as the N28, no issue there. However what was a bit iffy for me was the Austrian version, the red paint was almost a wash not a coat, again not a problem I'll just touch up , but again at the price a bit surprised the red was so thin. As I said like the models.
The Nieuport's the real pleasant surprise for me - much better in the flesh than the early photos suggested.
Just got mine today,,,,shoot yeah man!
I'm, also, very happy with the N28 and Hannover that's arrived.I'm very happy with them, too!
For the Hannover fire-arc, how about this for simplicity?
Front gun, as per fire-arc.
Rear gun, all the rest of the 360 (ie excluding the fore arc)
No blind spot (special design)
Just ignore the standard rear fire-arc on the base.
Good ideas about the Hannover but how about the following refinement to take into account altitude?
Firing at a target at higher or the same altitude
All 360 degrees but exclude the front fire arc. Which is your suggestion.
Firing at a lower target
Apply the standard rear fire-arc on the base and apply the blind spot.
This may (at a stretch) explain the two separate fire arcs. The plane card has the fire arc for targets at the same or higher altitude while the plane stand has the fire arc for targets at a lower altitude.
Works for me Nicola.
Rob.
"Courage is the art of being the only one who knows you're scared to death."
I have always feared that. Right from the outset I came up with a solution. When you open the box and slide out the insert, take a small screwdriver or a penknife, reach into the packaging and push in two of the dimples which hold the lower wing in the packaging. I keep a finger inside the dimple and push against it with the flat of the blade. With the dimples pushed, the model normally just pops out. You can reverse the procedure if you ever want to re-sell the model in the original box.
Simples
No screwdriver for me, but same principle - I just slide my thumb in aft of the wing and pinch the plastic towards the back of the plane, so the plane just lifts cleanly out, with no packing obstructing the lower wing.
My standard opening procedure as well after ripping the top wing off my first Brumowski several years ago.I have always feared that. Right from the outset I came up with a solution. When you open the box and slide out the insert, take a small screwdriver or a penknife, reach into the packaging and push in two of the dimples which hold the lower wing in the packaging. I keep a finger inside the dimple and push against it with the flat of the blade. With the dimples pushed, the model normally just pops out. You can reverse the procedure if you ever want to re-sell the model in the original box.
Simples
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Too greedy, Chris.
I do it the same way, but luckily without an instructive accident in the past.... I keep a finger inside the dimple and push against it with the flat of the blade. With the dimples pushed, the model normally just pops out. You can reverse the procedure if you ever want to re-sell the model in the original box.
Simples
Voilą le soleil d'Austerlitz!
I have always feared that. Right from the outset I came up with a solution. When you open the box and slide out the insert, take a small screwdriver or a penknife, reach into the packaging and push in two of the dimples which hold the lower wing in the packaging. I keep a finger inside the dimple and push against it with the flat of the blade. With the dimples pushed, the model normally just pops out. You can reverse the procedure if you ever want to re-sell the model in the original box.
Simples
That's what I have always done - I thought everyone did it that way!
Should one of us with a video camera produce a YouTube instructive video on how to remove the aircraft from the box?
marechallannes got it in one, normally I do precisely as suggested by all, this time was just too plain greedy and eager to take a closer look, as seperated top wing testified
But a spot of SG and right as rain
I understand everything he said but the re-sell bitI have always feared that. Right from the outset I came up with a solution. When you open the box and slide out the insert, take a small screwdriver or a penknife, reach into the packaging and push in two of the dimples which hold the lower wing in the packaging. I keep a finger inside the dimple and push against it with the flat of the blade. With the dimples pushed, the model normally just pops out. You can reverse the procedure if you ever want to re-sell the model in the original box.
Simplesdo people do that?
I was astounded at the prices some people were asking on E-Bay, but in light of the Manfred fever of a couple of years ago I should not have been. It just seems incredible that people seem willing to pay such prices for what we would call the also rans of the game.I understand everything he said but the re-sell bit
Rob.
"Courage is the art of being the only one who knows you're scared to death."
Should one of us with a video camera produce a YouTube instructive video on how to remove the aircraft from the box?
We can be a bit like that at times can't we.
Rob.
"Courage is the art of being the only one who knows you're scared to death."
Yes -- after people like you die, we re-sell your stuff; it's the only way one can make money in gaming.... >:)
Yes -- after people like you die, we re-sell your stuff; it's the only way one can make money in gaming.... >
At least bury me with my SE5A
If you don't want to sell it first....??
Depends very much on which SE5a it is Bill.
Some are becoming collectors items.
Rob.
"Courage is the art of being the only one who knows you're scared to death."
Depends very much on which SE5a it is Bill.
Some are becoming collectors items.
Rob.
"Courage is the art of being the only one who knows you're scared to death."
Got my Maachi's today, very happy with them, we need ARES to make some more seaplanes although there is a lot to choise from.
Still waiting...
Voilą le soleil d'Austerlitz!
Me to!!!
Waiting is over.
Got a letter from the German customs.
Sending was intercepted.
Seems I have to send a task force tomorrow to the customs office and liberate my planes.
Voilą le soleil d'Austerlitz!
Sven! If I can suggest something... I am sure if you pay them a visit dressed in your uniform ... will help them to release the goods on the spot and salute.Waiting is over.
Got a letter from the German customs.
Sending was intercepted.
Seems I have to send a task force tomorrow to the customs office and liberate my planes.
"We do not stop playing when we get old, but we get old when we stop playing."
Oh my friend...
The times of the K&K gallantry, when a uniform count something, are over.
Otherwise I would let them exercise an hour before they were allowed to ask me if I want my sending for free with an additional glass of champagne.
Voilą le soleil d'Austerlitz!
Mine have been on the way from Keith for three days, so should have them about this time next week.
Rob.
"Courage is the art of being the only one who knows you're scared to death."
I picked up a DVIII at Salute and it's far better than I thought it might be based on the photographs. In all honesty it's the thickness of the tail plane I notice more than the wings. I will be painting in the edges but I like the model enough to buy a few more. I didn't look at any of the other planes but at some point I shall.
I'm very pleased to see that ARES really did listen and altered the shark mouth N28 to give it a black, not white cowl and engine.
So overall a big thank you to ARES – buying these beats making up white metal kits.
However, I hope they don't become complacent about the models and that they improve the wing issue with the next series and that Series Three is not mangled like series One was when it gets reprinted.
Got my email to say my planes are on the way from Keith
In the meantime, I bought one of each from Dom!
My N28 with the "12" on the upper wing has no dark 'splodge' next to the Right wing cockade - the card does, the plane doesn't. Which is correct?
All in all, I'm VERY happy with the Series (even if I do now own some seaplanes).
I can't fault your judgement there, thanks.
As for the dark splodge, looks like there should be one a little to the right of the poster.
http://www.dawnpatroluk.co.uk/images/rickenbacker4.jpg
Two words: "Grave Robbery." >:)
Next you need some ships -- *sailing* ships.... >;)
Got mine yesterday - oh joy! Only trouble is that I am so busy that I haven't had time do anything other than admire them
What, not your SPAD?
Karl
It is impossible for a man to begin to learn what he thinks he knows. -- Epictetus
Actually I usually grab my SE5A first when I game, its the Boudwin one from the 25th Aero Sqn. I think the Nieuport 28 may also become a new favorite
I cannot open the file section. Is the W deck a one step slower Q deck?
Yes it is John, Q is fast speed, W is Average speed. (even though I put fast in my data sheet)
Sapiens qui vigilat... "He is wise who watches"
Thanks, I be buying the series at Historicon.Yes it is John, Q is fast speed, W is Average speed. (even though I put fast in my data sheet
Where can I find this rule?
I think it's official because I have heard I before (I think).
Voilą le soleil d'Austerlitz!
Wasn't that debated when the Hannover was released. I (if I don't remenber it wrong) think Andrea talked about that rule on facebook....
My former presentation of the serie Fokker E.V - Nieuport 28 - Macchi M.5 - Hannover CL.IIIa.
I posted it on the french forum a few years ago.
(no need to get out the necromancer card
The complete series in attractive burgundy boxes.
FOKKER E.V
Fokker E.V with splendidly colored camo.
On the Lowenhardt (left), the colors are a little different between the figure and its card.
The Sharon (right) seen from below, to appreciate the combination of blue and mauve colors.
A new profile for Wings of Glory aircraft : the first model with a parasol wing, which highlights its rotary engine.
The "Flying Razor" nickname is even more appreciated.
NIEUPORT 28
The Nieuport 28s form an attractive, homogeneous pack with American roundels, each with its own distinctive decorative features.
On the Rickenbaker (right), the 2 wings bear an American propaganda poster.
An anomaly on this model: the dark gray spot on the right upper wing is not reproduced on the figurine.
The slender profile of the Nieuport 28, with its long fuselage tapering towards the rear.
The 94th squadron emblem: "Hat in the Ring".
The second machine gun is located on the left side of the fuselage.
MACCHI M.5
The Macchi M.5, with this model that the thickness of the wings stands out the most, but this shortcoming is compensated for by superb decorations and a varied bestiary (dragon, winged goat, skull and crossbones).
A detail: the protuberance visible at the bottom of the Macchi engine block corresponds to the starter crank shown on the representations, but which has been reproduced without finesse on the figurines.
The pastel-toned colors of the Austrian seaplane's card are much more interesting than those of the figurine, since sky blue doesn't go well with beige.
View from below
HANNOVER CL.IIIa
The massive Hannover CL.IIIa with its characteristic biplane tail.
The photo is misleading: the blue fuselage of the Hannover Luftstreitkrafte is darker (I was unable to achieve a more realistic result).
On the aircraft cards, the rear firing arc has not been printed by mistake, but appears on the bases.
It could be the subject of a rule identical to that of the Roland C.II, also adapted to the Bristol F2b: 360° firing from the rear post possible on targets at a higher altitude; on the other hand, the Hannover is not concerned by the blind spot for targets at the same altitude, thanks to its biplane tail.
A diamond-shaped camouflage was also applied to the underside of this low-altitude assault aircraft.
Profile comparison of the 2 assault aircraft published by Wings of Glory :
- the Hannover CL.IIIa with its high fuselage in the middle, giving it a stocky appearance.
- the Halberstadt CL.II (4th WOG series) with slightly smaller dimensions and a slimmer fuselage.
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