Over Diving:

**Lt. S.Kafloc** · 09-10-2013 10:59

Originaly posted by strawman in the WW2 section.

Diving; A radical proposiotion; strawman
When diving the aircraft can combine the dive with either a straight or a turn card in the same manoeuvre.
Case 1) The aircraft can carry out a straight or a turn card at any speed immediately followed by the dive card. In this case draw an 'A' damage chit for every four existing damage chits (of any colour)
Case 1a) The aircraft can carry out a dive followed by a fast straight with damage as above.
Case 2) The aircraft can carry out a dive followed by a fast turn card. In this case automatically draw an 'A' damage chit and a 'B' damage chit for every for every four existing damage chits (of any colour)

Damage taken in this way ignores any special damage and counts the damage number only.

For WW1:

When an aircraft that was known to have structural problems performs an over-dive employ all of the following:
a. Draw a B damage card at the end of the over-dive for every 4 points of damage, don't count fire, pilot wounded or smoke only damage points. All other special damage cards apply.
b. If on fire and the aircraft still has fire tokens draw an additional B damage card.

**Flying Officer Kyte** · 09-11-2013 00:14

Sounds good Neil, but I'm not sure about the extra fire bit. If overdive is considered good for extinguishing fire surely it should at least dampen down any conflagration, even if it can't extinguish it, not add to the fire?
Rob.

**Nicola Zee** · 09-11-2013 00:57

Originally Posted by Flying Officer Kyte

Sounds good Neil, but I'm not sure about the extra fire bit. If overdive is considered good for extinguishing fire surely it should at least dampen down any conflagration, even if it can't extinguish it, not add to the fire?
Rob.

I agree with Rob. I'd, also, drop the fire bit.
In addition, IMHO there should be a risk with planes with 'weak wings' even before there is damage.

**flash** · 09-11-2013 04:39

I'd go with Nicolas point that you should draw a card even if there is no damage to the aircraft - it's a structural thing not reliant on damage, though clearly that could possibly make it worse !
Can see what you're trying to get to with the fire thing - I think - it's not extra fire damage caused by the fire but structural damage on fire weakened parts caused by the manoeuvre. In which case I'd suggest you load that on to any fire damaged aircraft as well as those still burning.

**Lt. S.Kafloc** · 09-11-2013 06:25

Yep thought on tis one and thought about just taking special damage into consideration not damage points.

Originally Posted by flash

I'd go with Nicolas point that you should draw a card even if there is no damage to the aircraft - it's a structural thing not reliant on damage, though clearly that could possibly make it worse !
Can see what you're trying to get to with the fire thing - I think - it's not extra fire damage caused by the fire but structural damage on fire weakened parts caused by the manoeuvre. In which case I'd suggest you load that on to any fire damaged aircraft as well as those still burning.

**Nicola Zee** · 09-11-2013 08:43

Originally Posted by Skafloc

Yep thought on tis one and thought about just taking special damage into consideration not damage points.

Just a suggestion if you want to take structural damage into account - how about the following?
If a plane has more than half damage, do an additional test as well.