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    Snap. Still, I guess us Brits will have 'til July or early August.... New D.VIIs though - hell yeah baby.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dom S View Post
    Snap. Still, I guess us Brits will have 'til July or early August.... New D.VIIs though - hell yeah baby.

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    Snipes: Barker - ok. But "Kazakov and Shaposhnikov" - why two Russian planes? Tell me just one reason for publishing TWO Russian Snipes. Weren't there any other original users? Whom will they fight against as far as official minis are concerned?
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    CAn't wait for 3 and 4 reprints. Missed them first time round.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skafloc View Post
    CAn't wait for 3 and 4 reprints. Missed them first time round.
    I second that! Also this series... And the bombers. Little late to the game but I'm appreciative of how Ares is working to get these reprints out!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightbomber View Post
    Snipes: Barker - ok. But "Kazakov and Shaposhnikov" - why two Russian planes? Tell me just one reason for publishing TWO Russian Snipes. Weren't there any other original users? Whom will they fight against as far as official minis are concerned?
    Actually one of your questions answers the other - Kazakov was a White, Shaposhnikov a Red, so they'll fight against each other - if they just did one Russian Snipe you'd struggle to find an opponent for it, although a Red Snipe could I guess be used against RAF machines. To be honest I think these will gather dust on a lot of game store shelves for a long while, but I can at least understand their reasoning, even if I don't agree....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dom S View Post
    Actually one of your questions answers the other - Kazakov was a White, Shaposhnikov a Red, so they'll fight against each other - if they just did one Russian Snipe you'd struggle to find an opponent for it, although a Red Snipe could I guess be used against RAF machines. To be honest I think these will gather dust on a lot of game store shelves for a long while, but I can at least understand their reasoning, even if I don't agree....
    The Snipe was a peg queen last time, gathering dust for ages after the D.IVIIs were gone. With the 2 Russian planes and a holdover, they may still be out there clogging the shelves by the time they get around to the 3rd reprint of this series.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oberst Hajj View Post
    But to get this thread back on topic, here is the full list of Series 2 reprints. I've added links to the ones where I could easily find some images of the plane. I'm expecting the sells sheet on these sometime this week. Then I'll be able to show pics of the actual minis as well as put them on the site for pre-orders!
    WGF204A AirCo D.H.4 (50th Squadron AEF) - Carryover
    This designation on the existing print raises a question... the original marking with its eagle-and-anchor around the fuselage roundel is distinctly a US Marine Corps 9th Sq. aircraft, not a USAAS 50th Obs. Sq.
    http://bleaseworld.blogspot.com/2013...-9-dayton.html

    You'd never see the Army "defiling" its aircraft with anything RESEMBLING a NAVY insignia, no sir! And the squids feel the same way in return... LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dom S View Post
    Actually one of your questions answers the other - Kazakov was a White, Shaposhnikov a Red, so they'll fight against each other - if they just did one Russian Snipe you'd struggle to find an opponent for it, although a Red Snipe could I guess be used against RAF machines. To be honest I think these will gather dust on a lot of game store shelves for a long while, but I can at least understand their reasoning, even if I don't agree....
    The Kazakov model IIRC will be indistinguishable from a generic RAF plane. Just add white squadron markings, so it's perfect for repaints.
    The Sapozhinsky one probably only has the distinctive black stars on the underside of the lower wings. That's in accordance with some photos, the top wing is without markings - so again, good for repaints. As this machine was given a complete repaint at least once, it may have had black stars on the top wing at one stage.

    It's probable that they shouldn't fight against each other, as the Red ones were probably obtained from stocks at Archangelsk left behind after the White collapse - and Kazakov's death. But as there's no official records of Snipes being sent to Russia- but plenty of photos showing they definitely were there - we don't know how many were in White service, and it's though it's thought there were three in Red service,we only have pictures of two.

    There's a lot we don't know about Snipes in Russia. Usually, we have good documentation, but no photos. Here we have good photos, but no records when we'd expect some - they may have been deliberately mislaid. It makes one wonder what else we don't know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightbomber View Post
    Snipes: Barker - ok. But "Kazakov and Shaposhnikov" - why two Russian planes? Tell me just one reason for publishing TWO Russian Snipes. Weren't there any other original users? Whom will they fight against as far as official minis are concerned?
    Yeah Andy thats really weird.
    Would have made more sense to do another from Barkers Squadron & another Aussie Snipe.

    Still I see some repaints coming!

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    I'm just looking forward to the DVIIs... Planning to purchase quite a few of them.

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    UPDATE: Just got a reply from Andrea.

    The AEF DH4 is NOT a true carry-over, it's the same basic scheme but the Eagle and Anchor are gone, replaced by this for specific inspiration:
    http://www.wwiaviation.com/popup/Air...ance-1918.html

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    Bingo. Found a picture of Kazakov's crate after the crash.

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    Serial E6350 - compared to Saposhnikov's E6351

    Interestingly, this profile shows postwar silver-grey, with only a small patch of PC10(?) on the tail fin.... that's consistent with the photo, but so are many other interpretations.

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    This one is also possible, though the fin should be a lighter colour mainly.

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    Here's E6351 when piloted by N.A.Yakovitskiy with the Slavo-British forces. So yes, the two could not have met in combat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diamondback View Post
    UPDATE: Just got a reply from Andrea.

    The AEF DH4 is NOT a true carry-over, it's the same basic scheme but the Eagle and Anchor are gone, replaced by this for specific inspiration:
    http://www.wwiaviation.com/popup/Air...ance-1918.html
    That's some good news then!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dom S View Post
    To be honest I think these will gather dust on a lot of game store shelves for a long while
    Quote Originally Posted by greenalfonzo View Post
    The Snipe was a peg queen last time, gathering dust for ages after the D.IVIIs were gone. With the 2 Russian planes and a holdover, they may still be out there clogging the shelves by the time they get around to the 3rd reprint of this series.
    I totally agree. In my experience, not only did the gather dust on the store shelves, they gathered dust in people's collections as well. I've rarely seen a Snipe flown in fury.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oberst Hajj View Post
    I totally agree. In my experience, not only did the gather dust on the store shelves, they gathered dust in people's collections as well. I've rarely seen a Snipe flown in fury.
    That's because you don't have eastern front battles - though as there's no official Polish F2bs, CL.IIs or D.VIIs, Lithuanian or Latvian D.VIIs or CL.IIs, White Russian Spad VII or XIII, F2bs, Camels, RE8s, DH4s, or Reds of any kind - no wonder. You could use a Klibanov N23 in Red service - they were pretty lax about repainting markings, hence French Rondels were on both Red and White planes. Or a Spad, even a US one as the US adopted the late White Russian Rondel.

    Snipes are popular round herein Western Front scenarios, but then, they usually face a variety of unofficial aircraft, Roland D.VII, Pfalz D.XII as well as Fokker D.VII.

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    A very good account of Kazakov's amazing career is at http://airaces.narod.ru/ww1/russia/kazakov.htm
    The problem is that it's in Russki, and a rather florid style of it. Google Translate is your friend, but there are many idioms it doesn't deal well with.

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    Herr Oberst, any updates on when we'll see pictures of the new models?

    I was looking at Stark again just now, and I think I'm coming around on him. While not as a good a choice for repainters as Schafer would have been, he's at least much better than the all-white Goering. The pink stripe through the top-wing lozenge is annoying, but at least there's no need to lozenge the inside parts of the wings. All you need to re-do Stark is a full lozenge decal for the top wing, which isn't so bad.

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    I'm hoping to have pics sometime this week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightbomber View Post
    Snipes: Barker - ok. But "Kazakov and Shaposhnikov" - why two Russian planes? Tell me just one reason for publishing TWO Russian Snipes. Weren't there any other original users? Whom will they fight against as far as official minis are concerned?
    I can't understand that you're quite angry about the missing Polish Fokker D.VII, but ain't you happy that Ares follows your trendsetting post-war activities?



    ...and with the Göring reprint we can create some nice planes and scenarios, Andrzej.
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    Quote Originally Posted by horsepyre View Post
    All you need to re-do Stark is a full lozenge decal for the top wing, which isn't so bad.
    Depends on the colour repro, as obviously you'll need the lozenge to match that on top of the lower wing, so it'll doubtless need tweaking. Should be doable enough, but it'll most likely preclude "bought" lozenge sheets unless someone tweaks a sheet specifically to match the colours Ares use on the Stark model.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dom S View Post
    Depends on the colour repro, as obviously you'll need the lozenge to match that on top of the lower wing, so it'll doubtless need tweaking. Should be doable enough, but it'll most likely preclude "bought" lozenge sheets unless someone tweaks a sheet specifically to match the colours Ares use on the Stark model.
    Ah, yes, that's a good point. I guess I don't know enough about the lozenge patterns to know whether the one on the Stark model is "common" or not.

    In any case, I'll at least feel a lot better about the tricky business of re-decaling a model when it's one that I paid ~$12 for, instead of $30+!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightbomber View Post
    Snipes: Barker - ok. But "Kazakov and Shaposhnikov" - why two Russian planes? Tell me just one reason for publishing TWO Russian Snipes. Weren't there any other original users? Whom will they fight against as far as official minis are concerned?
    I suspect because, unless you go for post-war RAF aircraft that were never flown on ops, any reprint would look just like the original releases - PC10 and minimal sqn insignia. By doing the White/Red Russians at least a/ there is a slightly different look and b/ they can be matched against each other.

    That's not to say they'll be any more popular than the first time around though!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marechallannes View Post
    I can't understand that you're quite angry about the missing Polish Fokker D.VII, but ain't you happy that Ares follows your trendsetting post-war activities?



    ...and with the Göring reprint we can create some nice planes and scenarios, Andrzej.
    right, Sven. I wouldn't raise any objection if it was just one Russian plane. Why not? It could be a head up for the players to the niche setting I like so much. But two is too many, while Commonwealth pilots are underrepresented. D VII type was used by Polish Air Force extensively, some of them were brought to Poland by Hauptmann Bismarck himself... but that is another story...
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    With the D.VII, you're spoilt for choice. There's dozens of very different schemes possible, and many aces. Unless Ares put out a pack of a dozen D.VIIs, you won't see Soviet, Polish, Ukrainian, Czech, Hungarian, Slovene, Lithuanian, or Latvian planes, even though some of the schemes are quite colourful, and are all distinctive.

    With the Snipe....

    Baker's

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    Ryrie - who apparently didn't score any kills.

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    All PC10, only Barker's has distinctive white stripes as the squadron marking - and was the only Snipe in 201 squadron. Telling the other two apart is very difficult. You can literally make every Snipe that saw combat in WWI by just changing the serial number. They all look the same, and adding another looking the same when there are still many unsold from years past is not a good idea.

    As regards 43 squadron.. King scored 3 kills in E8031. Banks got 3 in E8028.
    In the 4AFC, King got 7 in E8050. Baker got 2 in E8069, 3 in E8092, and 1 in E8065. Barkell got a balloon in E8052 and 2 in E8032. Jones got 3 in E8052. Paliser got 5 in E8064, and Trescowthick 1 in the same aircraft.

    Those are about the only aces there are.

    To find more famous pilots, you have to go to Russia, where there are two.
    According to Davis, Mick. Sopwith Aircraft. Ramsbury, Malborough, UK: The Crowood Press, 1999. ISBN 1-86126-217-5. 12 Snipes went to Archangelsk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by greenalfonzo View Post
    The Snipe was a peg queen last time, gathering dust for ages after the D.IVIIs were gone. With the 2 Russian planes and a holdover, they may still be out there clogging the shelves by the time they get around to the 3rd reprint of this series.
    Not quite sure what peg queen means but I did just recently pick up the Barker and Ryrie Nexus planes. I have not played with them yet but I assume since they are coming out with the new Fokkers that they are a compatible opponent for them?

    Not into anything Russian so doubtful that I get those planes unless for repaints possibly.
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    Looks like I can see some nice potential repaints for the snipe here: http://wp.scn.ru/en/ww1/f/531/9

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Chum View Post
    Looks like I can see some nice potential repaints for the snipe here: http://wp.scn.ru/en/ww1/f/531/9
    True but note how many of them are post-war aircraft with the later style rudder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rabbit 3 View Post
    True but note how many of them are post-war aircraft with the later style rudder.
    I noticed that.....since I figure that the snipes as a whole barely saw any action, that is not a big concern for me . The site does give me some nice ideas for repaints.

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    Well, some of the post-war RAF schemes would make for colourful models, I wonder though if Ares will redo the Snipe a little to reflect the fact that the Russian Snipes had the bigger fin/rudder as well!

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    If my search was correct, looks like Elwyn Roy King of No. 4 Squadron RAAF had the most success with the snipe. Haven't found his plane yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Chum View Post
    Looks like I can see some nice potential repaints for the snipe here: http://wp.scn.ru/en/ww1/f/531/9
    Indeed. But only 43 squadron had them before the end of the war. 112 got them in 1919. 25 squadron got them in 1920. 70 squadron took over 4 AFC's Snipes in 1919.

    This one is 4AFC in occupation markings

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    4AFC at Bickendorf Airfield, Koeln, 1919

    Another ex-4AFC of 70 squadron, also at Bickendorf after the handover. Note the 70 sqdrn stripes overpainted over the original simple number of the 4AFC.

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    Red-oxide covered with aluminium dope started to be introduced around 1920.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Chum View Post
    If my search was correct, looks like Elwyn Roy King of No. 4 Squadron RAAF had the most success with the snipe. Haven't found his plane yet.
    E8050 is the serial.
    http://www.theaerodrome.com/aces/australi/king2.php

    20 28 Oct 1918 1455 4 (AFC) Sopwith Snipe (E8050) Fokker D.VII (OOC) Ath
    21 29 Oct 1918 1545 4 (AFC) Sopwith Snipe (E8050) LVG C (DES) La Tombe
    22 30 Oct 1918 1455 4 (AFC) Sopwith Snipe (E8050) Fokker D.VII (OOC) Leuze
    23 30 Oct 1918 1456 4 (AFC) Sopwith Snipe (E8050) Fokker D.VII (DES) Leuze
    24 30 Oct 1918 1456 4 (AFC) Sopwith Snipe (E8050) Fokker D.VII (DES) Leuze
    25 04 Nov 1918 1315 4 (AFC) Sopwith Snipe (E8050) Fokker D.VII (DES) E of Buissenal
    26 04 Nov 1918 1320 4 (AFC) Sopwith Snipe (E8050) Fokker D.VII (DESF) E of Buissenal

    The Squadron in early October received the Sopwith Snipe as their new fighting Scout. King took a liking to the type immediately, Cobby wrote, "We received our first batch of the new Sopwith Snipes soon after this, but I did not have enough practice on them to be able to handle them properly. "Bo" King liked them from the start, as his rather large frame was given plenty of room in which to move." King was to be the allies leading exponent on the Sopwith Snipe, bagging 7 Enemy Aircraft in the space of a month, with the Squadron claiming a total of 35 victories in the month with the type.

    On the 30th of October King was to claim three aircraft in single a combat. As part of the Wing tactics the Royal Air Force was adopting with the close union of the squadrons in the same Wing being used to achive objectives and saturate targets, the Snipes of 4 Sqn were in company with the DH9a's of 103 Sqn RAF. King shot a Fokker away from a DH9 he was escorting, he was then set upon by four more Fokkers. King wrote , " [I] zoomed up through their formation and turned across in front of the highest enemy machine, which I had not previously seen. This machine fell over on it's back avoiding collision, and, so doing, fell on a second Fokker which was zooming up at me below him. These two machines fell to pieces and crashed."

    King was the flight commander of one of the last big aerial combats of the war when Jasta 2 "Boelcke" of JGIII, led by the German ace Karl Bolle, met 4 AFC in an aerial engagement on the 4th of November. In this fight Captain T.C.R. Baker, Lieutenant A.J. Palliser and Lieutenant Symons were lost. In the battle King fired 150 rounds on a Fokker after diving on it, from which it fell through the fight out of control, he then fired four bursts at another Fokker which was attacking a Snipe. The Fokker ended up in flames from Kings marksmanship.
    http://www.australianflyingcorps.com...s/kingroy.html

    The only profile though is of a generic 4AFC Snipe.

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    Spot on - there are a couple of photos that are *probably* King's machine, but the serial can't be seen on them, so it's not 100% certain. There's a profile of it here:

    http://www.australianflyingcorps.com...filee8050.html

    (Note the oddly truncated letter A is correct and can be seen in photos - presumably the top was lopped off as a result of patching or re-doping at some point.)

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    Found an article on Kings snipe. A replica being built by Nick Caudwell. In the picture it looks like you can see part of the "A" on the fuselage.
    besides that, it is also a great little story.
    http://mpnews.com.au/2014/03/11/snip...er-nine-years/

    Great intel Zoe and Dom. ....thats helped me greatly.

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    Did just a bit more digging and found this:



    From here:
    http://scaleplasticandrail.com/kaboo...m-pheon-decals

    Looks like I may have found my repaint.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Chum View Post
    Not quite sure what peg queen means but I did just recently pick up the Barker and Ryrie Nexus planes.
    Much like a hanger queen (a plane that sits in a hanger without being used), but in a game shop: i.e. a product that doesn't sell and sits on the peg of the display.
    The 2 seaters of Nexus were much the same.
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    The upper wing ID letter looks wrong on those Kelly - while I've never seen a photo of King's that shows the upper wing, there are shots showing a good few other machines in the squadron from above, and the font used on top is quite thin, sans serif, and very "squared off" looking - rather odd, and completely different to the lettering on the fuselage sides. There's a very handy shot in the Snipe Windsock datafile, taken from high up in a hangar at Bickersdorf post-war, which shows the tops of wings on quite a few of the squadron's Snipes - that was a major help when I did my 1/144 4th AFC decals.

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    Thanks Karl, seems like I learn something new just about every time I log in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dom S View Post
    The upper wing ID letter looks wrong on those Kelly - while I've never seen a photo of King's that shows the upper wing, there are shots showing a good few other machines in the squadron from above, and the font used on top is quite thin, sans serif, and very "squared off" looking - rather odd, and completely different to the lettering on the fuselage sides. There's a very handy shot in the Snipe Windsock datafile, taken from high up in a hangar at Bickersdorf post-war, which shows the tops of wings on quite a few of the squadron's Snipes - that was a major help when I did my 1/144 4th AFC decals.
    Thanks Dom.
    So at least then it would have the "A" on the top wing then...just different font. Thats a big help.
    when I found the image I was excited to the fact that it did have a letter on the wing as it will be an identifier when playing three snipes on the game table at once.

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    Yep - all 4th AFC machines seem to have had the ID on the starboard wing, but Nexus missed it on the Ryrie and Baker machines (understandable given the rarity of photos taken from a high enough angle to show them.) I've uploaded a photo of my old 4th AFC models to show what I mean:

    http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/alb...hmentid=130643

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Chum View Post
    If my search was correct, looks like Elwyn Roy King of No. 4 Squadron RAAF had the most success with the snipe.
    'Bo' King was by all accounts the highest scoring Snipe ace of the war, but the RAAF didn't come into existence until 1921; 4 Sqn Australian Flying Corps (AFC) was a unit of the Australian Imperial Force (ie, Australian Army).

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    Okay, enough talk about the different pilots, lets look at the planes!


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    So not the best photos, but it's what I could get at the time. They are also up for pre-order on the site now.

    Anyone want to take guesses on when the D.VIIs will sale out?

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    Keith, would you mind adding photos from Nexus Series 2 for a Before and After comparison with the DH4's and Rolands? Trying to remember if either of those camo Rolands were prior release, and want to confirm visually for other Doubting Thomases that this AEF DH4 isn't the same as the Nexus one.

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    The Dh.4s have definitely more action going on in their paintschemes than in the first edition. Looking good! I will certainly buy the D.VIIs. Except the white one. I have that already. And a blue Roland is good thing to have, too.
    I think I pass on the Snipes however. The paintjobs are good though. They just fall quite out of the WW1 frame for me.

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    Yes to the 2 fab looking DVIIs (skip the white repeat) and at least 1 of those stylish DH4s.

    Skipping the Snipes and Rolands (blue and purple both look like first series, and the brown is too boring)

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    Hmm do I replace my Red Eagle Sachsenburg and Stark?

    Like the look of these, will get a few Gorings this time around for repaints. Not so sure about snipes only ever used once in a game
    Last edited by Boney10; 05-06-2014 at 02:35.

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    Placed a pre-order for the six German aircraft.

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    The AEF DH4 was slightly different and I do not think that the previous models had crew 'figures'.
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