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    This Razorback was a subscribed aircraft from the Knights of Pythias social organization. I personally was unaware that the P-47 was part of lend lease.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phililphall View Post
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    This Razorback was a subscribed aircraft from the Knights of Pythias social organization. I personally was unaware that the P-47 was part of lend lease.
    Technically, *everything* could be part of LL provided it was "not required by the US". US production being what it was, it had far more units than it had people to crew them; while other nations had the opposite problem; so anything the US couldn't use immediately could be rented or given away to allies who needed it, thus solving both problems (and if everyone was drawing from the same manufacturing pool, logistics was greatly simplified, as well).

    This is most likely a -22-Rs or -27-RE; some 200 were sent via the Middle East ( plus 3 -10-REs). The Russians liked the rugged design, but found the low-level performance didn't match their needs (the -D was meant for high-altitude work; at low altitudes, it accelerated poorly and handled worse); as a result, less than half made it to front-line units, and those rarely saw action.

    Still -- at least now we know what the third Ares P-47 paint scheme will be: The Mexican Air Force Jug from PTO, the Brazilian-marked unit from Italy, and this. :)
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    This P47 is the first I've seen in Russian markings. I too didn't know they went to the USSR. Anyone know how many were given/sold/lent to the Russians?

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    I don't have the exact numbers handy, but it was only about 200, almost all in 1944.

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    Quote Originally Posted by csadn View Post

    Still -- at least now we know what the third Ares P-47 paint scheme will be: The Mexican Air Force Jug from PTO, the Brazilian-marked unit from Italy, and this.
    LOL!

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    Quote Originally Posted by csadn View Post
    Technically, *everything* could be part of LL provided it was "not required by the US". US production being what it was, it had far more units than it had people to crew them; while other nations had the opposite problem; so anything the US couldn't use immediately could be rented or given away to allies who needed it, thus solving both problems (and if everyone was drawing from the same manufacturing pool, logistics was greatly simplified, as well).

    This is most likely a -22-Rs or -27-RE; some 200 were sent via the Middle East ( plus 3 -10-REs). The Russians liked the rugged design, but found the low-level performance didn't match their needs (the -D was meant for high-altitude work; at low altitudes, it accelerated poorly and handled worse); as a result, less than half made it to front-line units, and those rarely saw action.

    Still -- at least now we know what the third Ares P-47 paint scheme will be: The Mexican Air Force Jug from PTO, the Brazilian-marked unit from Italy, and this.
    Seriously?!? A Mexican and a BRAZILIAN P-47? Plus a Russian one?

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    Some P-47 inspiration for you!



    Rich
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails 26_3.jpg   26_3_a1.jpg   26_4.jpg   26_7.jpg   148_2.jpg  


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    Yes, the Jambock squadron and the "Aguilas Aztecas" (i think thats the name). Beautiful aircrafts.
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    Nick

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    Beautiful, but statistically insignificant.

    If Ares doesn't do Zemke, somebody needs their head examined.

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    Zemke??

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    My point is, re the comment about a Russian, a Mexican and a Brazilian for the three prints without ONE from the country that originated the aircraft and provided most of the pilots who rose to fame flying it.

    The 200 Russians of which only half were issued, on a scale of tens of thousands built, are a drop in an ocean. The Aztec Eagles, and the Brazilian forces in Italy, while they fought bravely also, are similar in terms of raw numbers deployed. Two USAAF aces (one of Zemke's, and either another ETO or one PTO) and one "Other" seems the logical way to go here, save the others for the reprint--because mark my words, if this game lasts long enough there will come a time when Ares runs out of significant aircraft for new sculpts and has to rely on reprints to keep the game alive and maintain the revenue stream.
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    Nicolas


    They do add a little color! The green on the Mexican birds tail looks way to dark.

    Rich

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diamondback View Post
    My point is, re the comment about a Russian, a Mexican and a Brazilian for the three prints without ONE from the country that originated the aircraft and provided most of the pilots who rose to fame flying it.

    The 200 Russians of which only half were issued, on a scale of tens of thousands built, are a drop in an ocean. The Aztec Eagles, and the Brazilian forces in Italy, while they fought bravely also, are similar in terms of raw numbers deployed. Two USAAF and one "Other" seems the logical way to go here, save the others for the reprint--because mark my words, if this game lasts long enough there will come a time when Ares runs out of significant aircraft for new sculpts and has to rely on reprints to keep the game alive and maintain the revenue stream.
    This way I totally agree with you. It would be unlogical if none of the P-47 were American. As a Brazilian, of course I want a Brazilian P-47. But Brazil was a minor "factor" in the war. This way I dont see any logical reason to put a Brazilian P-47. It woukd be cool? For me at least, yes. But that its not me that decide. I agree that the P-47 should be: 2 American (probably one for European theater and the other for the Pacific) and one Russian...
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    Nick

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    Quote Originally Posted by richard m schwab View Post
    Nicolas


    They do add a little color! The green on the Mexican birds tail looks way to dark.

    Rich
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    Actually, I'd suspect 2 USAAF/1 Mexican might be better sellers, since the FAM used their birds pretty hard in the Philippines and there ain't a lot of notable Russian P-47 activity.

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    Diamnod, are you sure you did not miss Chris's secret joke?

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    British would make a lot more sense than Russian for the non USAAF Thunderbolt-the RAF actually used theirs in combat, primarily in Burma.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barkmann View Post
    Yes, the Jambock squadron and the "Aguilas Aztecas" (i think thats the name). Beautiful aircrafts.
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    Nick

    thats correct. they served briefly with some distinction after a very long retraining period. i think the usaaf command hoped to delay their entry into combat as long as possible a la tuskegee airman.

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    What a magnificent set of pictures Nicolas.
    Rob.
    "Courage is the art of being the only one who knows you're scared to death."

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    Thanks Rob. The first two are from rOEN911 and the other I found on internet, not sure who is the artist.
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    Nick

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan-Sam View Post
    Diamnod, are you sure you did not miss Chris's secret joke?
    He didn't -- he's just trying desperately to ignore it. ;)

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    Quote Originally Posted by csadn View Post
    He didn't -- he's just trying desperately to ignore it.
    Joke Chris! What joke?
    Kyte.
    "Courage is the art of being the only one who knows you're scared to death."

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    Yeah, im a little lost here too...

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    Re-read post #2 in this thread -- now consider: Given the levels of outrage generated by having *one* non-mainstream paint scheme out of three, imagine the reaction to *all* the minis being little-known paint-schemes....

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    Oh... Ok then... But I still want the Brazilian one.



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