Squadron/Jasta, colours WW1!

[Sparky]

Hi All
Not sure this has been covered before, but I was interested in where the best place is to get information on Squadron/Jasta colours schemes, and markings?

I know there are several places that sell the decals, but the main colours would be a help too.

What i'm trying to ask is there any information to build a squadron around the planes that are already availiable such as Elwood, and Stackard etc. I can find the odd examples for Rahn, Jasta's 19

[Baldrick62]

Of what's readily available in print, Osprey and Albatros (Windsock) are probably the 2 most prolific publishers.

[Warchariot]

Of what's realily available in print, Osprey and Albatros (Windsock) are probably the 2 most prolific publishers.

Both of these are graet sources. I just got hooked-up with Windsock and they have lots of great color plates as does Osprey. Great question by the way

[Pseudotheist]

Oh, hey... Speaking of Osprey, do people think thier on-line resources are worth the memebership?

[Sparky]

Thanks for the reply Baldrick62

I will have a look on line to see what I can find, now I know which publisher to look at.

[Flying Officer Kyte]

Although not quite Jastas or Squadrons Neil, it is well worth having a look here to get an idea of the many schemes available.
It might help you to decide on a certain Jasta or Squadron on which to concentrate your research.

http://www.wwiaviation.com/gallery.html

Rob.

[Lt. S.Kafloc]

I have 8 Dr1's painted up for Jasta 2. Have a look in my albums. Also 5 Alb Dva's for Jasta 37. Check out other members albums and you'll find more colour schemes there. If you don't have access to the books mentioned I have quite a few. Come down to the club on Thursday and I'll bring them along. You can also check out my 3 Jasta's there (I also have 5 Dr1's for Jasta 11). Dr1's, I just love the plane.

Hi All
Not sure this has been covered before, but I was interested in where the best place is to get information on Squadron/Jasta colours schemes, and markings?

I know there are several places that sell the decals, but the main colours would be a help too.

What i'm trying to ask is there any information to build a squadron around the planes that are already availiable such as Elwood, and Stackard etc. I can find the odd examples for Rahn, Jasta's 19

[7eat51]

I have been doing similar research, and have found that googling Pheon decals has brought up many sites in which folks share images of the decals along with the color schemes of associated Jastas or Squadrons.

For example:
http://forum.largescaleplanes.com/in...howtopic=32878

[gully_raker]

I have used 5 Ellwoods to make my Hearts of Oak Flight by adding numbers 1 to 5 on the top & bottom wings & painting the Flight leaders elevator Red to match the engine cowlings.

Jasta 18 Rabin is a wonderful colour scheme with Red noses & white fuselarge. Try a Jasta Rabin search on the forum for many pics but here are a couple.
There are also the Red nose Blue fuselarge of Bertholds Jasta.



The Yellow nosed Fokker D.VII's are from Jasta 10

[Boney10]

Another source worth a look is the Bob Pearson cd.
This has a lot of profiles of various Sqn and Jasta for nearly all combatants.
See the thread below

Bob Pearson Referance CD V.1

[Flying Officer Kyte]

Talking of your Hearts of Oak Chris. Has Max done you a card for them?
I need on for Triggers now.
Rob.

[Sparky]

Thanks to everyone for all the help and suggestions in which direction to look in.

What I have noticed is the Axis planes were permitted to promote their individuality in their planes. Are there any allied Squadrons that share this idea, maybe not to the same degree, but just showing that bit of individuality!

[Baldrick62]

What I have noticed is the Axis planes were permitted to promote their individuality in their planes. Are there any allied Squadrons that share this idea, maybe not to the same degree, but just showing that bit of individuality!

Look at the RNAS scout sqns, particularly during their time flying Sopwith Camels. Though apparently many of the markings were only applied for a matter of days or weeks, they look spectacular and are a great eye-relief from the monotony of RFC PC10. French escadrilles de chasse also sport some wonderful individual markings, but for mine the RNAS takes the prize.

There were Naval 9 decals available from the Store here on the site previously. http://www.aerodromeaccessories.com/...1-144-wwi.html

Oh, and by the by, the 'Axis' doesn't appear until the 1930s. In WWI you have the Entente (British Empire, France, Imperial Russia, along with Serbia, Belgium, Japan, Italy, Romania, Portugal, USA, etc) and the Central Powers (Germany, Austria-Hungary, Turkey, Bulgaria).

[Jager]

Some of the Home Defense squadrons had individualized schemes, also.
Karl

[gully_raker]

Talking of your Hearts of Oak Chris. Has Max done you a card for them?
I need on for Triggers now.
Rob.

Hi Rob!
No I have not troubled Max except for my Avitar.
I have trouble reducing cards to the correct size with my software programme.

I do think I will get Max to do some Ace cards for the boys now I have actual pictures of what they look like.

[Sparky]

Look at the RNAS scout sqns, particularly during their time flying Sopwith Camels. Though apparently many of the markings were only applied for a matter of days or weeks, they look spectacular and are a great eye-relief from the monotony of RFC PC10. French escadrilles de chasse also sport some wonderful individual markings, but for mine the RNAS takes the prize.

There were Naval 9 decals available from the Store here on the site previously.

Oh, and by the by, the 'Axis' doesn't appear until the 1930s. In WWI you have the Entente (British Empire, France, Imperial Russia, along with Serbia, Belgium, Japan, Italy, Romania, Portugal, USA, etc) and the Central Powers (Germany, Austria-Hungary, Turkey, Bulgaria).

Apologies for the 'Axis' term :embarass: when I wrote this the phrase 'Central Powers' escaped me

Are there many illustrated publications with the RNAS Sopwith Camel colour schemes you mentioned.

[Baldrick62]

Are there many illustrated publications with the RNAS Sopwith Camel colour schemes you mentioned.

Probably the best I've come across is this - http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/sho...ons-(Albatros)

Unfortunately, it is specialist in scope, so won't really help you out with anything else. I guess one of the questions you need to determine is how many aircraft models of any particular unit you intend to make. If you're only after 2 or 3, going for the Osprey 'Aces' series might be better value for your investment.

There are also books out there on individual units, but again the question to ask yourself is how many times will you use it, rather than going for more general publications, or searching on-line resources to pick up the couple of colour schemes you may want.

[Flying Officer Kyte]

The Oberst has been known to produce decals for the Naval units, although when they will be in stock again only he can tell.
if you look through my Sopwith Camel Album you will find them all there.

Rob.

[Sparky]

The Oberst Naval decals are Brilliant, that's the type of paint scheme I could go for

As for the size of unit I would probably go for four to five planes, which I could potentially add to. As for the Squadron/Jasta theme it was something I wanted to explore giving a unit of planes a way gel together instead of a mix.

Don't get me wrong, I think the game is brilliant as it comes as are the planes, it's something I wanted to do from a painting and personal point of view.

[Flying Officer Kyte]

The Oberst Naval decals are Brilliant, that's the type of paint scheme I could go for

As for the size of unit I would probably go for four to five planes, which I could potentially add to. As for the Squadron/Jasta theme it was something I wanted to explore giving a unit of planes a way gel together instead of a mix.

Don't get me wrong, I think the game is brilliant as it comes as are the planes, it's something I wanted to do from a painting and personal point of view.

In that case Neil, it is probably worth while taking a look here for some ideas.

http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/sho...ainting-Thread

Rob.

[Pseudotheist]

As for the size of unit I would probably go for four to five planes, which I could potentially add to. As for the Squadron/Jasta theme it was something I wanted to explore giving a unit of planes a way gel together instead of a mix.

Sparky, if you don't feel that your Jasta has to be "unique", and the only one of it's kind, you should really check out Dom's Decals. He's made decal sets for several Jastas/Squadrons/Escadrilles, with at least a half-dozen planes per unit, and his decals are second to none. Even from the "unique" standpoint, I have used his decals for Jasta 15, 19, & 37, 4th Squadron, Lafayette Escadrille, & Cicognes, and have never seen another of his schemes in person (and I run a monthly game that gets upwards of 12 participants, and have been to Origins).

[Womble]

I've painted up eleven 3rd Naval Camels to go with Ellwood. It took years of research to find so many real schemes. Pictures in my album, take a look here.

http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/album.php?albumid=1052

Ian

[greenalfonzo]

I've painted up eleven 3rd Naval Camels to go with Ellwood. It took years of research to find so many real schemes. Pictures in my album, take a look here.

http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/album.php?albumid=1052

Ian

Those are fantastic, Ian. They look about perfect - well done!

[Sparky]

I have to agree with greenafonzo those camels are brilliant, your hard work has paid off.

The RNAS Squadrons seem to be the way to go with individual marking for the Entente.

As for the Central Powers, Jastas I feel 19 will be the way to go with Dom,s Decals, which do look very nice

['Warspite']

If you can find them in second-hand bookshops or boot sales then the Aircraft in Profile series is good.
The series was part-work by aircraft type but they were also published in bound book form, about 15 to 20 aircraft per book.
For example Volume Three covered Profiles No 49 to 72. The colour spreads were excellent.

http://www.librarything.com/series/Aircraft+in+Profile

Check out this list.

[Baldrick62]

If you can find them in second-hand bookshops or boot sales then the Aircraft in Profile series is good.

While quite a fan of the AIP series myself, these publications are now very dated (having been published in the 1960s-70s), so while they will certainly give you some good ideas, the accuracy of many of the depicted colour schemes is now questionable in light of more recent research. They do however, generally provide good data on the nations/units that operated a particular aircraft type.

[Sparky]

Got a copy of the Osprey "Sopwith Camel Aces" and is an interesting read.
I would like to reproduce a few of 10 Naval Squadron, can anyone help locate some decals for this Squadron
I have seen a decal sheet for them somewhere on the 'net, but I can't find it again
Any help would be gratefully accepted.

[DarrylH]

Got a copy of the Osprey "Sopwith Camel Aces" and is an interesting read.
I would like to reproduce a few of 10 Naval Squadron, can anyone help locate some decals for this Squadron
I have seen a decal sheet for them somewhere on the 'net, but I can't find it again
Any help would be gratefully accepted.

Matthew Sneddon had a set of decals for 10 Naval Camels in his 144-Direct store on E-Bay a couple of months ago, but they're off the site now, and I'm kicking myself for not getting them at the time . With luck, he might release them again in the future.

[john snelling]

for Albatros aircraft

Jasta 1 = black fin, white rudder
Jasta 2 = white tailplanes
Jasta 3 =
Jasta 4 = black spiral band around fuselage
Jasta 5 = green tailplanes with red outline
Jasta 6 = white tailplane with 2 longitudinal black stripes
Jasta 7 = all black fuselage and tailplane
Jasta 8 = white tailplane and fin with red latitudinal stripes
Jasta 9 =
Jasta 10 = yellow nose
Jasta 11 = red fuselage front
Jasta 12 = black rear fuselage and tailplane
Jasta 13 = green nose;blue rear fuselage + tailplane; white fin + rudder
Jasta 14 = black+white longitudinal stripe on fuselage sides
Jasta 15 = red nose part; Prussian blue fuselage and tailplane
Jasta 16 = black tailplane
Jasta 17 = white tailplane + fin; black rudder
Jasta 18 (1917) = red forward fuselage; Prussian blue rear fuselage + tailplane
Jasta 18 (1918) = Vermillion red forward fuselage; white rear fuselage + tailplane
Jasta 19 = dark green rudder
Jasta 21 = dark green spinner and fuselage back; black+white fuselage band
Jasta 22 = olive green fin, white rudder
Jasta 23 = black tailplane with white latitudinal band
Jasta 24 = white forward fuselage
Jasta 26 = black+white striped fuselage ("Zebras")
Jasta 27 = yellow spinner and tailplane; black fuselage
Jasta 28 = yellow tailplane with 2 longitudinal black stripes
Jasta 29 = ?
Jasta 32 = black tailplane, white spinner
Jasta 34 = white fuselages
Jasta 35 = white chevron on the top of the top wing and a black chevron on the under side of the bottom wing
Jasta 36 = blue forward fuselage
Jasta 37 = white tailplane with black diagonal stripes
Jasta 40 (1917) = med green + white tailplanes
Jasta 40 (1918) = black fuselage, white tailplane
Jasta 50 = white tailplane with 2 black chevrons
Jasta 64 = black tailplanes with 2 longitudinal red stripes
Jasta 65 (1917) = deep red forward fuselage
Jasta 65 (1918) = Deep red forward fuselage; Prussian blue rear fuselage; white fin + rudder
Jasta 69 = yellow forward fuselage, black mid fuselage; yellow tailplane; white fin + rudder
Jasta 70 = deep red nose and tailplane; white rudder and elevator
Jasta 71 = white tailplane with 3 longitudinal stripes; red fin
Jasta 72 = Saxon green nose and hood; white tailplane, fin + rudder
Jasta 73 = black spiral band around fuselage, Zebra tailplane, white rudder
Jasta 74 = dark blue nose section
Jasta 75 = grey tailplane with 3 white longitudinal stripes; white fin, elevator + rudder
Jasta 76 = dark blue rudder and tailplane with 2 longitudinal white stripes
Jasta 77 = lilac spinner, tailplane, fin and rudder
Jasta 78 = ?
Jasta 79 = dark blue tailplane with 3 longitudinal light blue stripes; white spinner
Jasta 80 = black tailplane with two longitudinal white stripes; black fin, white rudder

Naval Units
MFJ-1 = yellow spinner, hood and rudder
MFJ-2 = yellow nose; white rudder
Seefrosta 1 = yellow nose and tail section; white rudder
Seefrosta 2 = white nose; yellow tail section

[Womble]

Great info John.

I can fill in one of your gaps, Jasta 35 had a white chevron on the top of the top wing and a black chevron on the under side of the bottom wing.

Ian

[john snelling]

Great info John.

I can fill in one of your gaps, Jasta 35 had a white chevron on the top of the top wing and a black chevron on the under side of the bottom wing.

Ian

Thank you!

[BrianK]

Probably the best I've come across is this - http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/sho...ons-(Albatros)

Unfortunately, it is specialist in scope, so won't really help you out with anything else. I guess one of the questions you need to determine is how many aircraft models of any particular unit you intend to make. If you're only after 2 or 3, going for the Osprey 'Aces' series might be better value for your investment.

There are also books out there on individual units, but again the question to ask yourself is how many times will you use it, rather than going for more general publications, or searching on-line resources to pick up the couple of colour schemes you may want.

[BrianK]

I would use a book like that very often, my interests lie in unusual areas.