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    Post General overview of released minis - WWII

    Wings of War / Glory was almost in clinical death in summer 2011 and the name of the game changed and I think it is a good time to make a small overview. I prepared answers to some questions: What was released until now? Why the name was changed? How publishing of the game will continue?


    Are Wings of War and Wings of Glory same games?
    Yes, they are. Even there are two different names for this game, all components are fully compatible (but you still can not use WWI and WWII components together).

    Why there are two different names for one game?
    Game producer (Nexus Games International) completely ended releasing of the game and all other producing activity in summer 2011.
    Fortunately, the game designer (Andrea Angiolino) saved his copyright for game system of Wings of War and he started to resuscitate the game with new company - Ares Games. The only problem was, that Wings of War was copyrighted name of someone another and for this reason, Andrea changed the name to Wings of Glory. One of autor’s conditions was complete backward compatibility with Wings of War.


    What was released until today?
    I will write about it in more details in other post, but let's summarize basic types of components which were released until today. Some of them is imposible to to buy, some are OK (new series):
    • The Basic Sets – card kits (Fire from the Sky, The Dawn of World War II)
    • Expansions - card kits (Eagles of the Reich, Flying Legend, Revolution in the Sky, The Last Biplanes)
    • Starter Set - BoB = Basic Sets – miniatures = Deluxe Sets (three different)
    • Separate miniatures
    • Special Packs
    • Game Mats I. - two different (Eastern and Western), connectible, an airfield on both of them
    • Game Mats II. - three different (68 x 98 cm; countryside, city, coast), interconnectable.
    • Rules and accessories Pack - addition to the separate miniatures.

    How will the publishing of the game continue?
    • All new components will be released under trademark "Wings of Glory".
    • Publisher left the card game system – all released components will be for miniatures system.

    I will summarize each serie for easier orientation now. I apologize for the omission of card sets – there are too much plane types.
    For complete overview I recommended Wings of War / Glory section on Wings of War na BoardGameGeek.com.

    Image version on Czech subforum.
    Last edited by Dan-Sam; 07-11-2017 at 05:54.

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    A brief overview of the historical realities for those who insist on historical credibility.

    Battle of France
    • Spitfire Mk.I - E. C. Le Mesurier (recon camouflage, hypothetically)
    • Hawker Hurricane Mk.I - D. Bader
    • Hawker Hurricane Mk.I - 303rd Squadron (active since BoB)
    • Hawker Hurricane Mk.I - Van den Hove (Belgian)
    • Dewoitine D.520 - R. Thollon
    • Gloster Gladiator Mk.I - M. Pattle
    • Gloster Sea Gladiator - G. Burges
    • Messerschmitt Bf 109 E-3 - W. Balthasar
    • Messerschmitt Bf 109 E-3 - W. Mölders
    • Messerschmitt Bf 109 E-3 - E. Pankratz
    • Messerschmitt Bf 109 E-3 - JG 2 "Richthofen"
    • Messerschmitt Bf 109 E-3 - 1/JG 2 "Richthofen"
    • Messerschmitt Bf 109 E-3 - 9/JG 2 "Richthofen"
    • Messerschmitt Bf 110 C-4 - F. Schupp (41'-44' camouflage)
    • Messerschmitt Bf 110 C-4 - G. Radusch (night camouflage)
    • Fiat CR.42 Falco - L. Gorrini (Italian)
    • Fiat CR.42 Falco - V. Rinaldi (Italian)
    • Junkers Ju.87B-2 Stuka - StG 77 (unit formed 7/1940)
    • Junkers Ju.87B-2 Stuka - IV./LG 1
    • Heinkel He.111 H-3 - Stab./KG53


    Norway Campaign
    • Hawker Hurricane Mk.I - D. Bader
    • Hawker Hurricane Mk.I - 303rd Squadron (active since BoB)
    • Gloster Gladiator Mk.I - M. Pattle
    • Gloster Gladiator Mk.I - D. Krohn (Norwegian)
    • Gloster Sea Gladiator - G. Burges
    • Messerschmitt Bf 109 E-3 - W. Balthasar
    • Messerschmitt Bf 109 E-3 - W. Mölders
    • Messerschmitt Bf 109 E-3 - E. Pankratz
    • Messerschmitt Bf 109 E-3 - JG 2 "Richthofen" (in France these times)
    • Messerschmitt Bf 109 E-3 - 1/JG 2 "Richthofen" (in France these times)
    • Messerschmitt Bf 109 E-3 - 9/JG 2 "Richthofen" (in France these times)
    • Messerschmitt Bf 110 C-4 - F. Schupp (41'-44' camouflage)
    • Messerschmitt Bf 110 C-4 - G. Radusch (night camouflage)
    • Junkers Ju.87B-2 Stuka - StG 77 (unit formed 7/1940)
    • Junkers Ju.87B-2 Stuka - IV./LG 1
    • Heinkel He.111 H-3 - Stab./KG53
    • Heinkel He.111 H-5 - 1./KG53 (winter camouflage)


    Battle of Britain
    • Spitfire Mk.I - E. C. Le Mesurier (recon camouflage)
    • Spitfire Mk.I - A. Wright
    • Spitfire Mk.II - J. Falkowski
    • Spitfire Mk.II - T. Vybiral (late war camouflage, but 312nd Squadron fought in BoB)
    • Hawker Hurricane Mk.I - D. Bader
    • Gloster Gladiator Mk.I - M. Pattle
    • Gloster Sea Gladiator - G. Burges
    • Bristol Beaufighter Mk.IF - M. J. Herrick
    • Bristol Beaufighter Mk.IF - A. M. Boyd (night camouflage)
    • Messerschmitt Bf 109 E-3 - W. Balthasar
    • Messerschmitt Bf 109 E-3 - W. Mölders
    • Messerschmitt Bf 109 E-3 - E. Pankratz
    • Messerschmitt Bf 109 E-4 - A. Galland (41'-44' camouflage)
    • Messerschmitt Bf 110 C-4 - F. Schupp (41'-44' camouflage)
    • Messerschmitt Bf 110 C-4 - G. Radusch (night camouflage)
    • Junkers Ju.87B-2 Stuka - IV./LG 1
    • Heinkel He.111 H-3 - Stab./KG53
    • Fiat CR.42 Falco - L. Gorrini (Italian)
    • Fiat CR.42 Falco - V. Rinaldi (Italian)


    Eastern Front
    • Hawker Hurricane Mk.IIB - A. Kusnetsov
    • Yakovlev Yak-1 - A. Durand (Normandie-Niemen, French voluteer)
    • Yakovlev Yak-1 - L. Litvjak
    • Yakovlev Yak-1 - S. Luganskij
    • Focke-Wulf FW-190 D-9 - 7./JG 26 (44'-45')
    • Focke-Wulf FW-190 D-9 - Waldemar Wübke (44'-45')
    • Focke-Wulf FW-190 D-13 - Franz Götz (44'-45')
    • Messerschmitt Bf 109 E-3 - W. Balthasar (early camouflage)
    • Messerschmitt Bf 109 E-3 - W. Mölders (early camouflage)
    • Messerschmitt Bf 109 E-3 - E. Pankratz (early camouflage)
    • Messerschmitt Bf 109 E-4 - A. Galland
    • Messerschmitt Bf 109 K-4 - 1./JG77 (hypothetically)
    • Messerschmitt Bf 109 K-4 - 9./JG3 (hypothetically)
    • Messerschmitt Bf 109 K-4 - Erich Hartmann
    • Messerschmitt Bf 110 C-4 - F. Schupp
    • Messerschmitt Bf 110 C-4 - G. Radusch (night camouflage)
    • Junkers Ju.87B-2 Stuka - IV./LG 1
    • Heinkel He.111 H-3 - Stab./KG53
    • Heinkel He.111 H-5 - 1./KG53 (winter camouflage)


    Mediterranean theater
    (both Spitfires are hypothetical - there are Vc (trop) Spitfires mostly on Malta)
    • Spitfire Mk.II - J. Falkowski (BoB camouflage)
    • Spitfire Mk.II - T. Vybiral (late war camouflage)
    • Spitfire Mk.IX trop - Stanisław Skalski (desert camouflage)
    • Hawker Hurricane Mk.I - D. Bader (BoB camouflage, Mk.I was outdated)
    • Grummann F4F-3 Martlet III - A. Black
    • Curtiss P-40F Warhawk - J. Gisclon (Free France)
    • Curtiss P-40F Warhawk - W. Lott (American)
    • Douglas SBD–5 Dauntless - Christian C. Lee (Pacific camouflage)
    • Douglas SBD–5 Dauntless - JG Kirkendahl
    • Gloster Gladiator Mk.I - M. Pattle
    • Gloster Sea Gladiator - G. Burges
    • Bristol Beaufighter Mk.IF - M. J. Herrick
    • Bristol Beaufighter Mk.VIF - P. Y. Davoud
    • Mitchell B-25C - G. Bauer (American)
    • Messerschmitt Bf 109 E-4 - A. Galland (European 41'-44' camouflage)
    • Messerschmitt Bf 110 C-4 - F. Schupp
    • Messerschmitt Bf 110 C-4 - G. Radusch (night camouflage)
    • Messerschmitt Bf 110 C-7 - G. Christl (desert camouflage)
    • Junkers Ju.87B-2 Stuka - StG 77
    • Junkers Ju.87B-2 Stuka - IV./LG 1
    • Junkers Ju.87B-2 Stuka - 1./StG.3 (desert camouflage)
    • Junkers Ju.87R-2 Stuka - G. Sugaroni (Italian)
    • Heinkel He.111 H-3 - Stab./KG53
    • Dewoitine D.520 - P. Le Gloan (Vichy French)
    • Dewoitine D.520 - V. Stella (Italian)
    • Fiat CR.42 Falco - L. Gorrini (Italian)
    • Fiat CR.42 Falco - V. Rinaldi (Italian)
    • Reggiane R.2001 Falco II - R. Vaccari (Italian)
    • Reggiane R.2001 Falco II - G. Metellini (Italian)


    Pacific theater
    • Grummann FM-1 Wildcat - E. Steiger
    • Grummann F4F-3 Wildcat - R. Galer
    • Grummann F4F-4 Wildcat - H. McWorther
    • Curtiss P-40E Warhawk - D. Hill (US volunteers in China)
    • Bristol Beaufighter Mk.IF - M. J. Herrick (British)
    • Bristol Beaufighter Mk.VIF - P. Y. Davoud (British)
    • North American P-51D Mustang - John Landers (marginally)
    • North American P-51D Mustang - Williams Saks (marginally)
    • North American P-51D Mustang - Spurgeon Ellington (marginally, "Red Tails")
    • Republic P–47D Thunderbolt - 135 Squadron (British)
    • Mitchell B-25B - J. Doolittle
    • Mitsubishi A6M2 Reisen - K. Fujita
    • Mitsubishi A6M2 Reisen - T. Kaneko
    • Mitsubishi A6M2 Reisen - S. Sakai
    • Mitsubishi A6M2 Reisen - S. Shindo
    • Nakajima Ki-84 Hayate - 52 Sentai
    • Nakajima Ki-84 Hayate - Kenji Fujimoto
    • Nakajima Ki-84 Hayate - Takeshi Imoto
    • Kawasaki Ki-61-I-B - M. Nakano
    • Kawasaki Ki-61-I-KAIc - T. Kobayashi
    • Kawasaki Ki-61-I-KAId - Ch. Ichikawa
    • Aichi D3A1 Val - Yamakawa & Nakata
    • Aichi D3A1 Val - Makino & Sukida
    • Aichi D3A1 Val - Takahashi & Kozumi
    • Yokosuka D4Y1 - Yokosuka Kokutai
    • Yokosuka D4Y1 - Kokutai 121
    • Yokosuka D4Y3 - Kokutai 601


    Italy 1943-1945
    • Reggiane R.2001 CN Falco II - U. Cerretani (Free Italia)
    • Curtiss P-40F Warhawk - J. Gisclon (Free France)
    • Curtiss P-40F Warhawk - W. Lott (American, early war camouflage)
    • North American P-51D Mustang - John Landers (American)
    • North American P-51D Mustang - Williams Saks (American)
    • North American P-51D Mustang - Spurgeon Ellington (American)
    • Republic P–47D Thunderbolt - Charles D. Mohrle (invasion stripes)
    • Republic P–47D Thunderbolt - Elwood D. Raymond (invasion stripes)
    • Spitfire Mk.IX - George “The Falcon of Malta” Beurling (UK, marginally)
    • Spitfire Mk.IX - Johnnie Johnson (British, marginally, invasion stripes)
    • Spitfire Mk.IX trop - Stanisław Skalski (British, marginally, desert camouflage)
    • Bristol Beaufighter Mk.IF - A. M. Boyd (British, night camouflage)
    • Bristol Beaufighter Mk.VIF - P. Y. Davoud (British)
    • Mitchell B-25C - G. Bauer (American, mid war camouflage)
    • Messerschmitt Bf 109 E-4 - A. Galland (41'-44' camouflage, hypothetically)
    • Messerschmitt Bf 109 K-4 - 1./JG77
    • Messerschmitt Bf 110 C-4 - F. Schupp
    • Messerschmitt Bf 110 C-4 - G. Radusch (night camouflage)
    • Focke-Wulf FW-190 D-9 - 7./JG 26
    • Focke-Wulf FW-190 D-9 - Waldemar Wübke
    • Focke-Wulf FW-190 D-13 - Franz Götz
    • Junkers Ju.87B-2 Stuka - StG 77 (hypothetically)
    • Junkers Ju.87B-2 Stuka - IV./LG 1 (hypothetically)
    • Junkers Ju.87R-2 Stuka - G. Sugaroni (Italian)
    • Heinkel He.111 H-3 - Stab./KG53
    • Dewoitine D.520 - V. Stella (Italian)
    • Fiat CR.42 Falco - H. Gressler (German, 41'-44' camouflage, hypothetically)
    • Fiat CR.42 Falco - L. Gorrini (Kingdom of Italy, hypothetically)
    • Fiat CR.42 Falco - V. Rinaldi (Kingdom of Italy, hypothetically)
    • Reggiane R.2001 Falco II - R. Vaccari (Kingdom of Italy, hypothetically)
    • Reggiane R.2001 Falco II - G. Metellini (Kingdom of Italy, hypothetically)


    Invasion of Normandy 1944
    • North American P-51D Mustang - John Landers (USA, without invasion stripes)
    • North American P-51D Mustang - Williams Saks (USA, without invasion stripes)
    • North American P-51D Mustang - Spurgeon Ellington (USA, without invasion stripes)
    • Republic P–47D Thunderbolt - Charles D. Mohrle
    • Republic P–47D Thunderbolt - Elwood D. Raymond
    • Spitfire Mk.IX - George “The Falcon of Malta” Beurling (Britain, without invasion stripes)
    • Spitfire Mk.IX - Johnnie Johnson (Britain)
    • Bristol Beaufighter Mk.IF - A. M. Boyd (Britain, night camouflage)
    • Bristol Beaufighter Mk.VIF - P. Y. Davoud (Britain, without invasion stripes)
    • Mitchell B-25C - G. Bauer (USA, hypothetically)
    • Curtiss P-40F Warhawk - J. Gisclon (Free France)
    • Dewoitine D.520 - R. Thollon (Free France, 1940 camouflage)
    • Douglas SBD-24D Banshee - Ruet (Free France)
    • Messerschmitt Bf 110 C-4 - F. Schupp (hypothetically)
    • Messerschmitt Bf 110 C-4 - G. Radusch (hypothetically, night camouflage)
    • Focke-Wulf FW-190 D-9 - 7./JG 26
    • Focke-Wulf FW-190 D-9 - Waldemar Wübke
    • Focke-Wulf FW-190 D-13 - Franz Götz
    • Junkers Ju.87B-2 Stuka - IV./LG 1 (hypothetically)
    • Heinkel He.111 H-3 - Stab./KG53 (marginally)


    Bombing campaign over Germany 1943-1945
    • North American P-51D Mustang - John Landers (USA)
    • North American P-51D Mustang - Williams Saks (USA)
    • North American P-51D Mustang - Spurgeon Ellington (USA)
    • Republic P–47D Thunderbolt - Charles D. Mohrle (invasion stripes)
    • Republic P–47D Thunderbolt - Elwood D. Raymond (invasion stripes)
    • Spitfire Mk.IX - George “The Falcon of Malta” Beurling (Britain)
    • Spitfire Mk.IX - Johnnie Johnson (Britain, invasion stripes)
    • Douglas SBD-24D Banshee - Ruet (Free France)
    • Mitchell B-25C - G. Bauer (USA, hypothetically)
    • Boeing B-17 F - "Memphis Belle" (USA)
    • Boeing B-17 G - "A Bit o' Lace" (USA)
    • Avro Lancaster B Mk.III - "Grog's the Shot" (Britain, night camouflage)
    • Avro Lancaster B Mk.III - "Dambusters" (Britain, night camouflage, hypothetically)
    • Messerschmitt Bf 109 E-4 - A. Galland (hypothetically)
    • Messerschmitt Bf 109 K-4 - 1./JG77
    • Messerschmitt Bf 109 K-4 - 9./JG3
    • Messerschmitt Bf 109 K-4 - Erich Hartmann (hypothetically, Eastern Front)
    • Messerschmitt Bf 110 C-4 - F. Schupp (hypothetically)
    • Messerschmitt Bf 110 C-4 - G. Radusch (hypothetically, night camouflage)
    • Focke-Wulf FW-190 D-9 - 7./JG 26
    • Focke-Wulf FW-190 D-9 - Waldemar Wübke
    • Focke-Wulf FW-190 D-13 - Franz Götz
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    Airplane Pack # 1
    Corresponds to the content of The Dawn of World War II Set and you can find the most famous pilots and planes of early years of WWII.
    It was published a Deluxe Sets. Planes from the first Deluxe set were released only in Deluxe Set and buying of this set was the only way how to get them.

    Legend: Maneuvering deck, guns, hitpoints, climb counters for next flight level, maximum ceiling.

    Grummann F4 Wildcat / Marlet
    • USA - FM-1 Wildcat - D, B/BB, 17, 5, 11 - Earl H. Steiger (only in Deluxe Set)
    • USA - F4F-3 Wildcat - D, B/BB, 17, 3, 13 - Robert E. Galer
    • USA - F4F-4 Wildcat - D, AB/BBB, 18, 5, 11 - Hamilton McWorther
    • Great Britain - F4F-3 Martlet III - D, B/BB, 17, 3, 13 - Alan F. Black


    Messerschmitt Bf 109 - B, C/ACC, 17 (18 for E-4), 3, 12
    • Germany - E-3 - Wilhelm Balthasar
    • Germany - E-3 - Werner Mölders
    • Germany - E-3 - Erhardt Pankratz (only in Deluxe Set)
    • Germany - E-4 - Adolf Galland


    Mitsubishi A6M2 Reisen - C, C/ACC, 16, 3, 13
    • Japan - Iyozo Fujita (only in Deluxe Set)
    • Japan - Tadashi Kaneko
    • Japan - Saburo Sakai
    • Japan - Saburo Shindo


    Supermarine Spitfire - A, B/BB, 17 (18 for Mk.II), 4 (3 for Mk.II), 11 (13 for Mk.II)
    • Great Britain - Mk.I - Eric Clive Le Mesurier
    • Great Britain - Mk.I - Alan Wright (only in Deluxe Set)
    • Great Britain - Mk.II - Jan Falkowski
    • Great Britain - Mk.II - Tomáš Vybíral (on card is a name "Adolphe Vybral", for more information check F/Lt Vybiral's Spitfire thread)


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    Airplane Pack # 2
    Corresponds to the content of The Dawn of World War II Set and the only serie where were published divebombers - they can shoot to the rear perimeter and attack with bombing.

    Legend: Maneuvering deck, guns, hitpoints, climb counters for next flight level, maximum ceiling.

    Aichi D3A1 Val - I, A/A a A/A, 17, 6, 11 (twoseater, divebomber)
    • Japan - Saburo Makino & Heicho Sueo Sukida
    • Japan - Kakuichi Takahashi & Seizo Kozumi
    • Japan - Shinsaku Yamakawa & Katuzo Nakata

    Dewoitine D.520 - D, B/BC, 16, 3, 12
    • France - Robert Thollon
    • France (Vichy) - Pierre Le Gloan
    • Italy - Virginio Stella

    Hawker Hurricane - C, B/BB (AB/ABB for Mk.IIB), 17 (18 for Mk.IIB), 3, 12
    • Belgium - Mk.I - Van den Hove d'Ertsenryck
    • Soviet Union - Mk.IIB - Alexey Alexandrovich Kusnetsov
    • Great Britain - Mk.I - Douglas Bader

    Junkers Ju.87 Stuka - I, A/A a A/A, 18, 6, 9 (twoseater, divebomber)
    • Italy - R-2 - Giovanni Sugaroni
    • Germany - B-2 - 1./StG.3
    • Germany - B-2 - IV./LG 1


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    Airplane Pack # 3
    The third serie (and the first with Wings of Glory name) brings only fighter planes. In this serie was released the second Deluxe Set and you can choose only from two planes in sales in units.

    Legend: Maneuvering deck, guns, hitpoints, climb counters for next flight level, maximum ceiling.

    Curtiss P40 Warhawk - H, AB/BBB, 18, 3, 12
    • China - P40E - David Lee "Tex" Hill (volunteer from USA)
    • France - P40F - Jean Gisclon (only in Deluxe Set)
    • USA - P40F - William Lott

    Kawasaki Ki-61 Hien
    • Japan - Ki-61-Ib - E, B/BB, 16, 3, 12 - Matsumi Nakano
    • Japan - Ki-61-I-KAIc - E, AC/BCC, 17, 3, 12 - Teruhiko Kobayashi (only in Deluxe Set)
    • Japan - Ki-61-I-KAId - E, AD/BDD, 17, 3, 12 - Chuichi Ichikawa

    Reggiane Re.2001 Falco II - E, B/AB (AC/BCC for CN), 17, 3, 12
    • Italy - Re.2001 - Giacomo Metellini
    • Italy - Re.2001 - Riccardo Vaccari (only in Deluxe Set)
    • Italy - Re.2001 CN - Umberto Cerretani

    Yakovlev Yak-1 - E, C/AC, 17, 3, 11
    • Soviet Union - Albert Durand (only in Deluxe Set, volunteer from France)
    • Soviet Union - Lydia Vladimirovna Litvjak
    • Soviet Union - Sergej Danilovich Luganskij


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    Airplane Pack # 4
    The fourth series of the game brought a slight disproportion - two relatively weak biplanes and two heavy (night) fighters with many hitpoints and heavy guns. All four planes cover European battlefields.

    Legend: Maneuvering deck, guns, hitpoints, climb counters for next flight level, maximum ceiling.

    Gloster Gladiator - L, A/B, 14 (15 for Sea Gladiator), 4, 11
    • Great Britain - Sea - George Burges
    • Great Britain - Mk.I - Marmaduke Pattle
    • Norway - Mk.I - Dag Krohn

    Fiat CR.42 Falco - L, A/B, 16, 3, 12
    • Italy - Luigi Gorrini
    • Italy - Vito Rinaldi
    • Germany - CR.42 CN Falco - Horst Gressler

    Bristol Beaufighter - M, ACC/ABCCCC (+ A/A for rear gun for Mk.VIF), 23, 5, 11 (10 for Mk.VIF)
    • Great Britain - Mk.IF - Archibald McNeill Boyd
    • Great Britain - Mk.IF - Michael James Herrick
    • Great Britain - Mk.VIF - Paul Yettvart Davoud

    Messerschmitt Bf.110 - N, AC/BCC + A/A, 20, 4, 11
    • Germany - C-4 - Fritz Schupp
    • Germany - C-4 - Günther Radusch
    • Germany - C-7 - Georg Christl


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    Airplane Pack # 5
    The fifth series differs from the others mainly era of the war - the years 1942-1945 (middle and final stages of the war). This main change brings significant acceleration which is reflected by larger maneuverability cards (because earlier aircraft had exhausted the entire length of maneuvering cards).

    Legend: Maneuvering deck, guns, hitpoints, climb counters for next flight level, maximum ceiling.

    Focke-Wulf FW-190 - R, AC/BCC (AC/CCC for D-13), 18, 3, 13
    • Germany - D-9 - 7./JG 26
    • Germany - D-9 - Waldemar Wübke
    • Germany - D-13 - Franz Götz

    Nakajima Ki-84 Hayate - Q, AC/BCC, 18, 2, 13
    • Japan - 52 Sentai
    • Japan - Kenji Fujimoto
    • Japan - Takeshi Imoto

    North American P-51D Mustang - P, AB/BBB, 19, 3, 14
    • USA - John Landers
    • USA - Williams Saks
    • USA - Spurgeon Ellington

    Supermarine Spitfire Mk.IX - O, AC/BCC, 18, 2, 14
    • Great Britain - George “The Falcon of Malta” Beurling
    • Great Britain - Johnnie Johnson
    • Great Britain - Stanisław Skalski


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    Airplane Pack # 6
    The sixth series contains fighters known from the very end of the war, as well as two other doubleseaters light bombers usable even in the early stages of the conflict.

    Legend: Maneuvering deck, guns, hitpoints, climb counters for next flight level, maximum ceiling.

    Douglas SBD–5 Dauntless / SBD-24D Banshee - I, B/A a A/A, 19, 6, 9 (twoseater)
    • France - SBD-24D - Ruet
    • USA - SBD-5 - JG Kirkendahl
    • USA - SBD-5 - Christian C. Lee

    Messerschmitt Bf.109 K–4 - S, CCD/CC, 18, 2, 14
    • Germany - 1./JG77
    • Germany - 9./JG3
    • Germany - Erich Hartmann

    Republic P–47D Thunderbolt - T, BBBB/BB, 21, 3, 14
    • USA - Charles D. Mohrle
    • USA - Elwood D. Raymond
    • Great Britain - 135 Squadron

    Yokosuka D4Y1 / D4Y3 - V (W pro D4Y3), A/A a A/A, 17, 5 (4), 11 (12) (twoseater)
    • Japan - D4Y1 - Yokosuka Kokutai
    • Japan - D4Y1 - Kokutai 121
    • Japan - D4Y3 - Kokutai 601


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    Squadron Pack - Battle of Britain
    Set of 4 most famous and most used airplanes in Battle of Britain. Prefect for supllying BoB Starter Set.
    Minis have only the basic marking (roundels, crosses) and there is a sheet of other decals - players could choose their own pilots in defined unit.

    Legend: Maneuvering deck, guns, hitpoints, climb counters for next flight level, maximum ceiling, possible pilots below in italic.

    Hawker Hurricane Mk.I - C, B/BB, 17, 3, 12
    • Great Britain - 303rd Polish Squadron "Kościuszko"
      Josef František (CZ), Miroslaw Feric, John Kent, Antoni Suidak, Jan Zumbach

    Junkers Ju.87 B-2 Stuka - I, A/A a A/A, 18, 6, 9 (twoseater)
    • Germany - Sturzkampfgeschwader 77
      Helmut Bode, Alfons Orthofer, F1+DP, S2+AN

    Messerschmitt Bf 109 E-3 - B, C/ACC, 17, 3, 12
    • Germany - Jagdgeschwader 2 "Richthofen"
      Otto Bertram, Günther Dommaschk, Stab.II "7 White"

    Supermarine Spitfire Mk.I - A, B/BB, 17, 4, 11 (added a single 60° turn card into maneuvre deck in comparison with Series #1)
    • Great Britain - 610th Squadron "County of Chester"
      Bernard Gardner, Peter Litchfield, Andrew Smith, Edward Smith, William Warner


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    Starter Set - Battle of Britain
    Starter Set based of the same type as previous Deluxe Sets about Battle of Britain (1940).

    Legend: Maneuvering deck, guns, hitpoints, climb counters for next flight level, maximum ceiling.

    Messerschmitt Bf 109 E-3 - B, C/ACC, 17, 3, 12
    • Germany - "5" - Staffel 9 Jagdgeschwader 2 "Richthofen" (9/JG 2)
    • Germany - "13" - Staffel 1 Jagdgeschwader 2 "Richthofen" (1/JG 2)

    Supermarine Spitfire Mk.I - A, B/BB, 17, 4, 11 (minor changes in maneuvre deck in comparison with Series #1)
    • Great Britain - Aubrey Baker
    • Great Britain - Douglas Corfe


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    Special Pack # 1 - Medium Bombers
    First Special Pack for Wings of Glory / War of World War II. It contains 4 medium bombers of two types which will be selled separately.

    Legend: Maneuvering deck, guns, hitpoints, number of engines, climb counters for next flight level, maximum ceiling.

    Heinkel He 111 H-3 / H-5 - XA, 5-7x A/A, 30, 2, 7, 8
    • Germany - H-3 - Stab./KG53 (Battle of Britain camouflage)
    • Germany - H-5 - 1./KG53 (Eastern Front winter camouflage)

    North American B-25 Mitchell B/C - XB, combination A/A or A/B, 30, 2, 7, 9
    • USA - B-25B - James H. Dollittle (Pacific camouflage, 1942)
    • USA - B-25C - George Bauer (Mediterranean camouflage)


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    Special Pack # 2 - Heavy Bombers
    Second Special Pack for Wings of Glory / War of World War II. It contains 4 heavy bombers of two types which will be selled separately.

    Legend: Maneuvering deck, guns, hitpoints, number of engines, climb counters for next flight level, maximum ceiling.

    Avro Lancaster B Mk.III - XD, 1-2x A / 1x B, 42, 4, 9, 9
    • Great Britain - "Dambuster" (operation Chastise)
    • Great Britain - "Grog's the Shot"

    Boeing B-17 F/G - XC, various - up to 8 guns, 50, 4, 9, 12
    • USA - B-17 F - "Memphis Belle"
    • USA - B-17 G -"A Bit o' Lace"


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    A good contribution for the community, Daniel!

    The perfect overview for the WW II section.

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    Thank you Sven. I know about some blackholes in it (mostly stats for Me.110 and Beaufighter). Hope I will correct them soon.

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    Wow! Great job doing this overview.

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    Is WGS the poor relation?

    The models released under the Ares banner aren't really high profile planes - newcomers to the game would expect to see spitfires, bf 109s, mustangs, hellcats and zeroes.

    While you can still get some of the original WoW planes, they are getting harder to find and are priced accordingly.

    It seems to be a big gamble to rely on people acquiring old stock if they want to play with familiar planes.

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    If i am not mistaken, they are working on FW, Spit and Mustang. Zeros and Wildcats are still quite easy to purchase.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NZgunner View Post
    The models released under the Ares banner aren't really high profile planes - newcomers to the game would expect to see spitfires, bf 109s, mustangs, hellcats and zeroes.

    While you can still get some of the original WoW planes, they are getting harder to find and are priced accordingly.
    That's a point, Stuart.

    I'm personally very happy that Ares Games decided not to restart with the first models again - so soon.

    Many Series I, II & III planes are still available and Ares Games closed a breach with series IV & the special packs that many loyal gamers wanted to be closed: Two engined fighters, medium bombers & the last biplanes.

    So there is really no reason to doubt about the releasing strategy of Ares Games. The guys did a good job, restarted the whole WW I & WW II project incredible fast and they promised us new planes that would attract newbies, too. (like Lino said: Focke Wulf 190 D-9, P-51D Mustang, Ki-84 Hajate & Spitfire Mk.IX)

    Maybe the actual available planes are not so intersting for player a) that wants to jump into the game with a brand new "mainstream" airfleet of Me109s and Spitfires. But for a new player b) that was introduced by others are much options to join in plane by plane at the moment also with the new planes or the available "old" ones.

    So my suggestion for a playar a) is: just wait a year for the fast birds and the B17. You won't regret it.

    (I got Angles 20, too. But I'm afraid it gets dusty in the shelf...)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan-Sam View Post
    A brief overview of the historical realities for those who insist on historical credibility.

    Battle of France
    • Messerschmitt Bf 109 E-3 - W. Balthasar
    • Messerschmitt Bf 109 E-3 - W. Mölders
    • Messerschmitt Bf 109 E-3 - E. Pankratz


    Norway Campaign
    • Messerschmitt Bf 109 E-3 - W. Balthasar
    • Messerschmitt Bf 109 E-3 - W. Mölders
    • Messerschmitt Bf 109 E-3 - E. Pankratz


    Battle of Britain
    • Messerschmitt Bf 109 E-3 - W. Balthasar
    • Messerschmitt Bf 109 E-3 - W. Mölders
    • Messerschmitt Bf 109 E-3 - E. Pankratz
    • Messerschmitt Bf 109 E-4 - A. Galland (41'-44' camouflage)


    Eastern Front
    • Messerschmitt Bf 109 E-3 - W. Balthasar (early camouflage)
    • Messerschmitt Bf 109 E-3 - W. Mölders (early camouflage)
    • Messerschmitt Bf 109 E-3 - E. Pankratz (early camouflage)
    • Messerschmitt Bf 109 E-4 - A. Galland


    Mediterranean theater

    [LIST]
    [*]Messerschmitt Bf 109 E-4 - A. Galland (European 41'-44' camouflage)



    Italy 1943-1945
    • Messerschmitt Bf 109 E-4 - A. Galland (41'-44' camouflage, hypothetically)

    Those 109's have to pull duty everywhere! This is one reason I am looking forward to the release of the Fw 190's, my four Bf 109s comprise the entirety of my German fighter force and I use them in nearly every European scenario I run (save my Malta scenario which involved Italians).

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    Wow, what a great contribution to this site! Thanks so much! You should add to the initial post that the F4U Corsair is also in development/production for a future release, as confirmed by Andrea. I love this game!

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    Arguably, there hasn't been an "iconic" American plane done yet, so those are yet to come! Most Americans, don't know what a Wildcat or P-40 is, let alone a B-25. But most will know the Mustang, Flying Fortress, and Corsair. I think those units will help sales tremendously, throw in a P-38 in the relatively near future and I think you have covered the iconic American birds, though. Hope for others as well.

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    Another nice resource you put together here, Daniel. Thanks muchly.

    Quote Originally Posted by P-51D View Post
    Arguably, there hasn't been an "iconic" American plane done yet, so those are yet to come! Most Americans, don't know what a Wildcat or P-40 is, let alone a B-25. But most will know the Mustang, Flying Fortress, and Corsair. I think those units will help sales tremendously, throw in a P-38 in the relatively near future and I think you have covered the iconic American birds, though. Hope for others as well.
    Frankly, I think the P-40 is quite iconic, as is the B-25. So while the mustang and corsair are welcome, I don't think the American-centric pilots are deprived.
    Karl

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    Appreciate the effort you put into getting this together, Great job and thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by P-51D View Post
    Arguably, there hasn't been an "iconic" American plane done yet, so those are yet to come! Most Americans, don't know what a Wildcat or P-40 is, ...
    Really, the Battle of Midway was one of the most important battles of WW II.

    ...and the Flying Tigers are a legend.

    I think you downgraded the US-players a little bit, Daniel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by P-51D View Post
    Arguably, there hasn't been an "iconic" American plane done yet, so those are yet to come! Most Americans, don't know what a Wildcat or P-40 is, let alone a B-25. But most will know the Mustang, Flying Fortress, and Corsair. I think those units will help sales tremendously, throw in a P-38 in the relatively near future and I think you have covered the iconic American birds, though. Hope for others as well.
    Rubbish -- people know what an F4F, or P-40 are; they just know them as "slow, and unmaneuverable"; in short: Not nearly Munchkin enough. Never mind these were units which stopped the Japanese (the later birds were the ones which started the Japanese backing up).

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptownhiker View Post
    Those 109's have to pull duty everywhere! This is one reason I am looking forward to the release of the Fw 190's, my four Bf 109s comprise the entirety of my German fighter force and I use them in nearly every European scenario I run (save my Malta scenario which involved Italians).
    The problem we have is that the Messerschmitt Bf109E was no longer a front line aircraft by late 1941, replaced by the Messerschmitt Bf109F in mid 1941 which itself was replaced by the Bf109G in late 1942.

    I believe WGS needs a mid-war fighter set as a priority -

    Messerschmitt Bf109F-4 (Luftwaffe Channel Front, Luftwaffe Western Desert, Luftwaffe Eastern Front)
    Supermarine Spitfire Mk.Vb (RAF Channel Front, RAF US Eagle Squadron, RAF Malta)
    Focke-Wulf Fw190A (Luftwaffe Channel Front, Luftwaffe Tunisia, Luftwaffe Eastern Front - snow camouflage)
    Bell P-39 Airacobra (D model USAAF New Guinea, D model USAAF Guadalcanal, Q model USSR Eastern Front)

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    Have to agree with Chris there. What is more iconic than a P40 in Flying Tiger garb?
    Quote Originally Posted by csadn View Post
    Rubbish -- people know what an F4F, or P-40 are; they just know them as "slow, and unmaneuverable"; in short: Not nearly Munchkin enough. Never mind these were units which stopped the Japanese (the later birds were the ones which started the Japanese backing up).

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    Quote Originally Posted by csadn View Post
    Rubbish -- people know what an F4F, or P-40 are; they just know them as "slow, and unmaneuverable"; in short: Not nearly Munchkin enough. Never mind these were units which stopped the Japanese (the later birds were the ones which started the Japanese backing up).
    Not completely true; the Flying Tigers are legendary in US history books, very few of them note the drawbacks of the plane. Likewise, the Wildcat is casually known as the naval fighter that stopped the Japs. Again, it's shortcomings are glossed over in the general histories. Just because a small, despicable class of players wants the best fighter (which might be US, though that's a matter of debate), that doesn't mean we haven't gotten iconic US fighters yet.
    Karl

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carl_Brisgamer View Post
    The problem we have is that the Messerschmitt Bf109E was no longer a front line aircraft by late 1941, replaced by the Messerschmitt Bf109F in mid 1941 which itself was replaced by the Bf109G in late 1942.

    I believe WGS needs a mid-war fighter set as a priority -

    Messerschmitt Bf109F-4 (Luftwaffe Channel Front, Luftwaffe Western Desert, Luftwaffe Eastern Front)
    Supermarine Spitfire Mk.Vb (RAF Channel Front, RAF US Eagle Squadron, RAF Malta)
    Focke-Wulf Fw190A (Luftwaffe Channel Front, Luftwaffe Tunisia, Luftwaffe Eastern Front - snow camouflage)
    Bell P-39 Airacobra (D model USAAF New Guinea, D model USAAF Guadalcanal, Q model USSR Eastern Front)
    Why include the P-39? It's a plow horse among thoroughbreds. And I rather like it.
    You need an Allison Mustang, or Lightning.
    Karl

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    The bigger question is, what is iconic? If I am walking down the street asking about WWII aircraft to the average American, you really think the "average" America who can't even name the Speaker of the House, The Senate Majority Leader, or perhaps their own Congressman is going to know what a F4F is? You honestly think today's American outside the historical circles know who the Flying Tigers were? Wow! You must not work with people. I hate to be a pessimist, but these are not the planes that people remember. Your "average" history buff is going to know the Mustangs, Flying Fortress, Lightning, Corsair etc., but your average American? I beg to differ. In trying to grow this game, we need to appeal to as many people as possible, which means including as many nations as possible, but also choosing products that generate interest and garner buzz. I believe Ares agrees, thus the wide selection of nations and the ever growing presence of aircraft that the common person knows. Look at the next three series in production, they have a Mustang, Spit, then a Flying Fortress, and a Corsair among many others. Geez, I wonder why? Simple answer, They will sell.

    I live in the same community as the Warhawk Air Museum. The museum has three really nice vintage planes, two of which are P-40s and one is a P-51B or C(Razorback). I would say 7 out of every 10 patrons I have helped show around mistakenly call the P-40s, Mustangs. If they even know that much. The old timers know the difference as do the avid airplane fans, the rest just don't plain know. During the Airshow period in the Summer, an Arizona club sends up a B-17 and B -25 for rides. Which plane is sold out within 10 mins of opening for the day! Yeah, the Flying Fortress. The B-25 gets some love, don't get me wrong, but its not even close.

    I have traveled to just about every major air museum and airshow in the country, from Osh Kosh to the Air Force Museum to the Smithsonian in my experience its the same thing there as well, people know a handful of planes and haven't a clue regarding the rest. Now, I would agree the P-40, B-25, P-47, F6F, and B-29 are in a second tier of popularity, but to say they are iconic? I'm sorry I completely disagree. To us in the know? Absolutely. To those who are casual fans or just have a passing interest, I think not.

    Secondly, no one was complaining or saying we were "deprived". However, calling me a munchkin really really infuriates me and is insulting. Who said we had to have those planes? Reread my post, I never insinuated that. However, isnt the point of all this to sell the game? By having American aircraft that the common history fan knows, I believe it will go to great lengths to get new players to play, buy, and in turn justify new sets. Product recognition is essential to generate sales. I hope you would understand that in order to get the obscure warbirds we all covet, the game has to sell and the best way is to recruit the "munchkin" who's spending capability greatly outweighs us "grognards". Simple truth, historical gamers are greatly outnumbered by power gamers. It's annoying, I know! I have dealt with it for over 20 years. It doesn't change that fact that gaming companies take ino consideration power gamers and what hey would want in a game.

    Just because us die hards know every aircraft, variant, and stat, does not mean that the rest of the world agrees with us and knows what is what.

    That being said, the Mustang, Flying Fortress, and Corsair are coming whether you approve or not. That is indisputable. I am willing to bet in the end, they will sell more than those American units that have already been released.

    Iconic America Aircraft are those just about everybody knows, F-14, P-51, B-17, B-52, B-2 among others will always generate higher sales regardless of era or format.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marechallannes View Post
    Really, the Battle of Midway was one of the most important battles of WW II.

    ...and the Flying Tigers are a legend.

    I think you downgraded the US-players a little bit, Daniel.
    Sorry for the confusion. I am not referring to current US players, but those who are not currently into the game, that I am trying to recruit and line up against. The average Joe has no idea what a P-40 or F4F is, but will recognize a Mustang and Flying Fortress. I am trying to grow my player group, not appease those already involved. If it takes power planes to get them into the game, so be it, they can be taught and have their horizons broadened with other lesser known aircraft after they start playing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carl_Brisgamer View Post
    I believe WGS needs a mid-war fighter set as a priority -

    Messerschmitt Bf109F-4 (Luftwaffe Channel Front, Luftwaffe Western Desert, Luftwaffe Eastern Front)
    Supermarine Spitfire Mk.Vb (RAF Channel Front, RAF US Eagle Squadron, RAF Malta)
    Focke-Wulf Fw190A (Luftwaffe Channel Front, Luftwaffe Tunisia, Luftwaffe Eastern Front - snow camouflage)
    Bell P-39 Airacobra (D model USAAF New Guinea, D model USAAF Guadalcanal, Q model USSR Eastern Front)
    I agree with this assessment.

    Not sure I would include the P-39, but I realize that's (most likely) shameless bias as a result of my love affair as child with the P-38... totally cool looking and an awesome nick-name (der Gabelschwanz-Teufel, "Forked Tail Devil"), despite that fact that it wasn't all that effective in the European theater. Long range, concentrated firepower, and the ability to dive like a stone helped make it more of a success in the Pacific...

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    Quote Originally Posted by fast.git View Post
    I agree with this assessment.

    Not sure I would include the P-39, but I realize that's (most likely) shameless bias as a result of my love affair as child with the P-38... totally cool looking and an awesome nick-name (der Gabelschwanz-Teufel, "Forked Tail Devil"), despite that fact that it wasn't all that effective in the European theater. Long range, concentrated firepower, and the ability to dive like a stone helped make it more of a success in the Pacific...
    Hi Chris,

    I included the P-39 as it saw service in the Pacific and Russia (for the Eastern Front folks), but would be very happy to swap it out for the Lockheed P-38F (USAAF New Guinea, USAAF North Africa, USAAF Channel Front).

    Cheers,

    Carl.

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    Quote Originally Posted by P-51D View Post
    I must correct you in my thinking, the Spitfire was the best plane of the war in my opinion hands down. Feel better?
    My Dad and I met a veteran RAF pilot an an airshow back in the 1970's (I was just a kid). There was a Mustang flying past and he said to my Dad words to the effect 'that was the plane that won the war.'

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    Quote Originally Posted by P-51D View Post
    The bigger question is, what is iconic? If I am walking down the street asking about WWII aircraft to the average American, ...
    What are we talking about?

    Board gamers that are intersteted in WW II (and WWI) or other people?

    Ask an average population in a German shopping arcade for a Messerschmitt Bf109. Most of them can't give you an answer.

    Quote Originally Posted by P-51D View Post
    ...

    I will not be coming back to these boards, I have never been attacked for such a benign statement in my life. You guys need to grow up. If this is how you treat players in your group, I feel for them. Have fun.

    ...
    Seriously?

    Sometimes you get a reaction on a statement, mostly if some people disagree.

    It's hard to find the 100% correct words in every response and I'm shure, the moment I told you that the whole US aviation technique in WW II based on stolen Nazi German documents, the US boys will charter a Lockheed C-5, Galaxy fly over the Alantic and flatten my home with a platoon of restored Sherman tanks.

    But here we can debate, argue and modify statements. So there is no reason to leave this great place, because of a single discussion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carl_Brisgamer View Post
    My Dad and I met a veteran RAF pilot an an airshow back in the 1970's (I was just a kid). There was a Mustang flying past and he said to my Dad words to the effect 'that was the plane that won the war.'
    You're right Carl.

    The range of the P51 was incredible, escorting the heavy US bombers right into the Reich and back. ...and you could load all the stuff, the Führer wanted on all his fighter planes: Rockets, bombs, drop tanks, etc...

    Quote Originally Posted by fast.git View Post
    Not sure I would include the P-39, but I realize that's (most likely) shameless bias as a result of my love affair as child with the P-38... totally cool looking and an awesome nick-name (der Gabelschwanz-Teufel, "Forked Tail Devil"), despite that fact that it wasn't all that effective in the European theater. Long range, concentrated firepower, and the ability to dive like a stone helped make it more of a success in the Pacific...
    I would - definitely! The next two engined fighter I want to be released (maybe in a combo with a Japanese one).

    Didn't Chuck Yeager fly a P38 in the European theater?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marechallannes View Post
    Didn't Chuck Yeager fly a P38 in the European theater?
    Not sure. I know he flew, and became an ace, in P51s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by P-51D View Post
    FYI, since I have multiples of you insinuating that I am a "despicable" lover of only the best "American" planes, I must correct you in my thinking, the Spitfire was the best plane of the war in my opinion hands down. Feel better?

    I will not be coming back to these boards, I have never been attacked for such a benign statement in my life. You guys need to grow up. If this is how you treat players in your group, I feel for them. Have fun.

    The biggest oversight by every one of you is the first word of my initial post, "Arguably". I opened it for debate, but not to the attacks and name calling.

    Best wishes to each of you, as I am sure you are all swell gents, but life is too short to deal with such asinine "rubbish", to use a preferred word here.
    You know, Daniel, it really is best to read the posts, and who they are quoting, before flying off the handle. I don't appreciate being called an "attacker" for posts not referring to you or your statement. Nor is the negative rep appreciated when you can't tell who is being quoted in the post. But if you want to be a martyr by mistake, go ahead.
    Karl

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marechallannes View Post
    Didn't Chuck Yeager fly a P38 in the European theater?
    Looks like P51s only, although apparently he also flew P39 Airacobras in the States (and got into some hot water over low flying in one).

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    Thank you for the useful summaries. Just one small point, the Heinkels and Mitchells were Medium Bombers. The Heavy Bombers were the four-engined ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jager View Post
    Not completely true; the Flying Tigers are legendary in US history books, very few of them note the drawbacks of the plane. Likewise, the Wildcat is casually known as the naval fighter that stopped the Japs. Again, it's shortcomings are glossed over in the general histories.
    Hmm -- most of the books I've read not only do not "gloss over" US acft. failings, they practically revel in them. (Usually it's part of a "see how clever the US pilots were in figuring out how to end-run their equipment's shortcomings" narrative.)

    Quote Originally Posted by Jager View Post
    Just because a small, despicable class of players wants the best fighter (which might be US, though that's a matter of debate), that doesn't mean we haven't gotten iconic US fighters yet.
    Oh, definitely not. The problem is: Somehow "iconic" has ceased to mean "a symbol of a thing"; and nothing is more symbolic of the Allies' (esp. the US's) presence in WW2 than taking acft. which by all reason should never have been able to win, and figuring out how to win with them, until such time as better product could be brought on-line.

    Quote Originally Posted by Marechallannes View Post
    Didn't Chuck Yeager fly a P38 in the European theater?
    Nope -- trained in P-39s; deployed into P-51s.

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    Hmm... I was shure I saw a (older) report with a famous P38 pilot that described how he shot down a Me 109 over France or Germany. Somehow I mixed something up. ...so I thought it was Yeager.



    Found a nice web page with P38 aces:

    http://acepilots.com/usaaf_pto_aces.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Naharaht View Post
    Thank you for the useful summaries. Just one small point, the Heinkels and Mitchells were Medium Bombers. The Heavy Bombers were the four-engined ones.
    I corrected this. Thank you for your note David.
    I added altitude stats for Bristol Beaufighters and Bf 110 too - the first two from RAP and the stats for Messershmitt from Ares Facebook page.
    Any other mistakes?

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    Only that the rules from the WW II Rules&Accessoire Pack changed some climb rates and max. altitudes.

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    Unfortunately, I have not RAP. Can you send me which climbrates and max. altitudes was changed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan-Sam View Post
    Unfortunately, I have not RAP. Can you send me which climbrates and max. altitudes was changed?
    Hi Dan, all the information is here - http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/sho...nd-Climb-Rates

    Cheers,

    Carl

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    Sorry, I need to quote you, Carl.

    Quote Originally Posted by Carl_Brisgamer View Post
    I have scanned the climb rate and top altitude tables from the old WGS Starter Set and the new WGS Rules and Accessories Pack to show which aircraft statistics have changed for better or worse.

    Attachment 84078

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    Just did it. Thank for this sheer Carl and Sven.

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