Official Macchi C.200 Painting Thread

[ptownhiker]

I painted these AIM models alongside my SM.79. I used all three in my Siege of Malta scenario I ran this weekend at Madicon (AAR to follow). Even though I used the decals of the same squadron on these planes, I painted them very differently. I did this to make it easier to use them on the table. I again used Future floor polish to improve the decals. I am now a true believer in the product.

I painted white underneath the upper wing roundels of the camouflage plane based on my experience with the SM.79. It improved the look of the decal in that the camouflage didn't show through the white decal as bad as on the SM.79. Next time, though, I will create a template that is the same shape as the roundel or decal so that I better match the paint to the decal.

The camouflage pattern came out much more regular looking than the effect I was going for (which you can find here: http://wp.scn.ru/en/ww2/f/769/32/0 and clicking 79 Squadriglia image (third image from the top). It still looked good on the table, but I would appreciate any advice people could give on creating camouflage patterns.

[Flying Officer Kyte]

Very nice Dave.
The contrast between the all yellow aircraft and the one in cammo is very striking indeed. Nifty bit of work on that cammo too.
Rob.

[Thomatchef]

Nice lookiing aircraft and excellent painting!

What is future floor polish? How do you use it to improve the decals? Is it comparable with the Microscale product line (micro-set and micro-sol)?

[ptownhiker]

Nice lookiing aircraft and excellent painting!

What is future floor polish? How do you use it to improve the decals? Is it comparable with the Microscale product line (micro-set and micro-sol)?

Future future polish is an actual housecleaning product for wood floors (currently marketed in the US as Pledge Floor Care with Future Shine). Reading over Microscale's product description, Future does the same thing: it achieves a painted on look for the decals. You can google "future floor polish models" and gets lot of information on working with it. I brush stroked a coat of Future onto the planes, applied the decals, brush stroked a another coat of Future over the plane and the decals, then sprayed it with dullcote. I spaced each step 24 hours apart to allow for drying.

The two pictures below show the difference. The lighting is different, but the Gladiator on the left is just the paint and decals. The C.200 on the right as the coast of Future and dullcote. You can see clear paper of the decal, "silvering", as it has been described to me. The C.200 decals look as if they are painted on.

[Carl_Brisgamer]

A flight of three Macchi MC.200 Saettas for the showcase. These are also AIM 1/200 scale miniatures.

[ptownhiker]

Nice work, Carl! I like seeing the different painting interpretations of the same illustration. Hurray for models of lesser known planes like the Saetta!

[Flying Officer Kyte]

I have one of those on order Carl. I may have to get more now that I have seen these.
You must stop doing this to me. I said that I would limit my WWII to BOB, and I'm already into Malta and the desert conflict
Rob.

[Carl_Brisgamer]

I have one of those on order Carl. I may have to get more now that I have seen these.
You must stop doing this to me. I said that I would limit my WWII to BOB, and I'm already into Malta and the desert conflict
Rob.

Working your way east that means Russia is next, then CBI, and the SW Pacific!

[Flying Officer Kyte]

Working your way east that means Russia is next, then CBI, and the SW Pacific!

Strange to say Carl, Russia and the East have never held any great appeal for me. Probably in the case of the East because the Americans and the Australians had most of the fun whilst we just got beaten down and then held the line to India. I know that this is an over simple view of what took place, but that is just how I felt about it.

It all seems just a step too far from my real love of WWI, but even here I have no interest in the Russian theatre.
Rob.

[Baldrick62]

Rob,

I know what you mean: the Eastern Front leaves me cold too (no pun intended).

But you might want to re-evaluate the British contribution in the Asia-Pacific: in '41-'42 all the ABDA allies were handed their collective elbows on a plate, not just the Brits. As the war progressed, the RAF (and IAF) did more than defend in the CBI theatre (RAF SEAC B24 wings were operating there, plus Mossies, Spitfres, Hurricanes and Thunderbolts), there were RAF Spitfire squadrons in Oz and the Fleet Air Arm got into the act with Seafires, Corsairs, Barracudas, Avengers and Fireflies.

BofB

[Flying Officer Kyte]

Rob,

I know what you mean: the Eastern Front leaves me cold too (no pun intended).

But you might want to re-evaluate the British contribution in the Asia-Pacific: in '41-'42 all the ABDA allies were handed their collective elbows on a plate, not just the Brits. As the war progressed, the RAF (and IAF) did more than defend in the CBI theatre (RAF SEAC B24 wings were operating there, plus Mossies, Spitfres, Hurricanes and Thunderbolts), there were RAF Spitfire squadrons in Oz and the Fleet Air Arm got into the act with Seafires, Corsairs, Barracudas, Avengers and Fireflies.

BofB

Thanks Balders. As I said it was an over simple view as my dad was out there with the Fleet Air Arm, but its just a step too far for me.
Rob.

[Carl_Brisgamer]

Strange to say Carl, Russia and the East have never held any great appeal for me. Probably in the case of the East because the Americans and the Australians had most of the fun whilst we just got beaten down and then held the line to India. I know that this is an over simple view of what took place, but that is just how I felt about it.

It all seems just a step too far from my real love of WWI, but even here I have no interest in the Russian theatre.
Rob.

I completely understand Rob, there is plenty of scope to enjoy the WGS experience in the ETO and MTO.

Sometime in the future (not too far off I hope) I plan to run a WGS campaign that will start pre-war (Spain, China) and go right through to 1945, hence my eclectic collection.

[kaufschtick]

These are 1/144 scale Machii 200s, models by Sweet.







These two, which I think are actually Machii 202s (?), are Bandai or F-Toy pre paints, that I modified to my liking with a little repaint. The original were green overall, and as I recall, they needed some definate touch up painting on the underside regardless of my repaint decision.

[FLt Brown]

Love the the look of the C200 but fell in love with the CR42 the strange strut arrangement just made me want to make some so here are some pictures of mine from our Malta game and the game would not be complete without Faith , Hope and Charity ?

[Flying Officer Kyte]

Superb pictures Kevin.
Could you tell me the serial numbers on the Gladiators, as I am gouing to do those myself, and with my bad eyesight I can't quite make them out from the picture.
Rob.

[Boney10]

All these pics are superb and the models fully compliment the players.
Though for me I am in the same camp as Rob, interested, but for models just BoB for me I'm afraid.

[ptownhiker]

Love the the look of the C200 but fell in love with the CR42 the strange strut arrangement just made me want to make some so here are some pictures of mine from our Malta game and the game would not be complete without Faith , Hope and Charity

You camouflage paintjob on the Italian planes is superb. It was the effect I was going for on an SM.79 I painted in the spring, but your thicker lines look better.

[Baldrick62]

Could you tell me the serial numbers on the Gladiators, as I am gouing to do those myself, and with my bad eyesight I can't quite make them out from the picture.
Rob.

There's some conflicting information about, but the most probable numbers I can come up with are:
N5519 'R'
N5520 'S' - now preserved in Malta as 'Faith'
N5523
N5524
N5529
N5531



http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/album.php?albumid=1012

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[FLt Brown]

Superb pictures Kevin.
Could you tell me the serial numbers on the Gladiators, as I am gouing to do those myself, and with my bad eyesight I can't quite make them out from the picture.
Rob.

Hi Rob
It is not your eyesight it is my poor pictures!
The numbers I managed to track down were N5520 Faith, N5531 Hope and N5519 Charity I have gone with the squadron letter R as this was what I found at the time of building that was in operation?

The Squadron letter S is on the one in Malta but not sure as the aircraft were changed around so much to keep a flight in the air maybe someone may know what actually is correct and if it is 'S' well I will build another one of the Reviresco kits they are really nice models and do work well as all my WW2 are 1/144

Regards Kev

[Baldrick62]

The Squadron letter S is on the one in Malta

N5520, presented to the island of Malta by the RAF in 1943, rescued of a scrap heap and preserved in the war museum in Valletta, now labelled as 'Faith', has no airframe letter. I have seen illustrations of N5520 with an 'S' airframe designation in the same manner as N5519 (for which there is photographic evidence) marked as 'R', but the restored airframe does not have a letter on it. As far as I can find, the Hal Far Fighter Flight had no 'Squadron letter'.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hal_Far_Fighter_Flight

[Flying Officer Kyte]

Thanks for the info chaps.
This bears out what I have come across since you posted the original numbers. N5519 may have had an R but the others apparently did not.
Rob.

[FLt Brown]

Thanks for the info chaps.
This bears out what I have come across since you posted the original numbers. N5519 may have had an R but the others apparently did not.
Rob.

Hi Rob
Check out info attached may help

Kev

1940

The first 36 Gloster Sea Gladiators (as opposed to modified Gloster Gladiator IIs), were serialed N5500- N5535. 801 Squadron, FAA received the first 12 of these (N5500-N5511) on 8/2/39, and the next 6 (N5512-N5517) on 21/3/39, while the next 18 (N5518-N5535) were delivered to 36 Maintenance Unit with the ultimate goal of delivering them to the Middle East for 802 Squadron, FAA.
Meanwhile, 801 Squadron was disbanded as a first-line fighter squadron to become 769 Squadron, FAA, to act as a second-line-training unit. It retained the first 12 Sea Gladiators (N5500-N5511) while it performed conversion training for the FAA fighter pilots with them and the newly delivered Blackburn Skua monoplane fighter-dive bombers. It was envisioned that 801 Squadron would be re-formed for HMS Courageous in the future with the new monoplane. These first 12 Sea Gladiators now dropped out of the Middle East picture until 1941, when having served in 804 Squadron, FAA, until the arrival of Gruman Martletts, they were sent to Alexandria as spares.
As the remaining six Sea Gladiators (N5512-N5517) were no longer needed for 801 Squadron, they were delivered to 36 Maintenance Unit to be shipped to the Middle East with the 18 planes of 802 Squadron. These 24 Gladiators were delivered by the aircraft carrier HMS Glorious to Malta in 1939. Of these 24, one (1) was lost pre-war, one (1) was lost prior to HMS Glorious’ departure from the Mediterranean, six (6) were delivered to Alexandria, nine (9) were on board HMS Glorious when she departed for Norway in April 1940, and seven (7) remained on Malta when war was declared by Italy on 10 June 1940.
The twenty-four arrived in Malta as follows:
N5512: 8/5/39; to Alexandria by 6/40; to HMS Eagle’s Fighter Flight 6/40; lost at sea 29/7/40.
N5513: 8/5/39; to Alexandria by 6/40; to HMS Eagle’s Fighter Flight 6/40; to 806 Sq. FAA (6F) 12/40; to Dekheila 2/41; to 805 Sq., FAA 3/41; to 33 Sq. 5/41; lost on Crete.
N5514: to Alexandria; disposition unknown other than was is in the Middle East (parts?).
N5515: 22/4/39; to Alexandria; disposition unknown (parts?); struck on charge 25/9/40.
N5516: 22/4/39; to Alexandria; disposition unknown (parts?); returned to UK by 12/39.
N5517: 8/5/39; 102 MU Abu Sueir 6/40; to HMS Eagel Fighter Flight 6/40; to 805 Sq. FAA 24/3/41; lost 15/5/41 on ferry flight from Maleme to Alexandria.
N5518: 19/4/39; 802 Sq. FAA 5/39-6/39; re-embarked in 802 Sq. on HMS Glorious 11/4/40; believed lost with her on 8/6/40.
N5519: 19/4/39; 802 Sq. FAA 6/39-9/39; Hal Far Fighter Flight 19/4/40-29/4/40; re-assigned Hal Far Fighter Flight from 3/5/40; "R" "Charity"; lost 31/7/40.
N5520: 19/4/39; 802 Sq. FAA 6/39-11/39; Hal Far Fighter Flight 19/4/40-29/4/40; re-assigned Hal Far Fighter Flight from 3/5/40; "Faith"; fuselage preserved on Malta.
N5521: 19/4/39; 802 Sq. FAA 5/39-10/39; Hal Far Fighter Flight 03/40-04/40; re-embarked in 802 Sq. on HMS Glorious 11/4/40; believed lost with her on 8/6/40.
N5522: 19/4/39; stored at Kalafrana 25/5/39; Hal Far Fighter Flight 5/40.
N5523: 19/4/39; stored at Kalafrana 25/5/39; to Alexandria; to HMS Eagle’s Fighter Flight by 10/40.
N5524: 19/4/39; to 802 Sq. FAA 17/5/39; Hal Far Fighter Flight 19/4/40-29/4/40; re-assigned Hal Far Fighter Flight from 3/5/40; wrecked after landing accident on 12/4/41.
N5525: 19/4/39; 802 Sq. FAA 6/39-10/39; Hal Far Fighter Flight 03/40-04/40; re-embarked in 802 Sq. on HMS Glorious 11/4/40; believed lost with her on 8/6/40.
N5526: 19/4/39; stored at Kalafrana 25/5/39; 802 Sq. FAA 12/39-1/40; re-embarked in 802 Sq. on HMS Glorious 11/4/40; believed lost with her on 8/6/40.
N5527: 19/4/39; stored at Kalafrana 25/5/39; 802 Sq. FAA 6/39-7/39; Hal Far Fighter Flight 03/40-04/40; re-embarked in 802 Sq. on HMS Glorious 11/4/40; believed lost with her on 8/6/40.
N5528: 19/4/39; stored at Kalafrana 25/5/39; 802 Sq. FAA 7/39-10/39; crashed into lake during training flight on 11/10/39.
N5529: 19/4/39; 802 Sq. FAA 25/5/39-11/39; Hal Far Fighter Flight from 5/40.
N5530: 19/4/39; 802 Sq. FAA 5/39-10/39; Hal Far Fighter Flight 03/40-04/40; re-embarked in 802 Sq. on HMS Glorious 11/4/40; believed lost with her on 8/6/40.
N5531: 19/4/39; 802 Sq. FAA 6/39-1/40; Hal Far Fighter Flight 19/4/40-29/4/40; re-assigned Hal Far Fighter Flight from 3/5/40; "Hope"; destroyed on the ground 4/2/41.
N5532: 19/4/39; stored at Kalafrana 25/5/39; re-embarked in 802 Sq. FAA on HMS Glorious 11/4/40; to 804 Sq. FAA.
N5533: 19/4/39; stored at Kalafrana 25/5/39; Hal Far Fighter Flight 03/40-04/40; re-embarked in 802 Sq. FAA on HMS Glorious 11/4/40; to 804 Sq. FAA.
N5534: 19/4/39; stored at Kalafrana 25/5/39; 802 Sq. FAA 5/39; crashed into the sea during a training flight on 19/5/39.
N5535: 19/4/39; stored at Kalafrana 25/5/39; re-embarked in 802 Sq. FAA on HMS Glorious 11/4/40; to 804 Sq. FAA; to Egypt; to 805 Sq. FAA; 33 Sq. RAF; to Egypt 11/5/41; to UK.
By January 1940, HMS Glorious had landed all of 802 Squadron’s aircraft in Malta, her Captain having elected not to carry her fighters during her cruises in the Red Sea and elsewhere. This left 21 of the original Sea Gladiators in Malta, two others having been lost and the last having been returned to the UK.

The picture is however not completely clear since it is known that Flight Lieutenant George Burges flew N5521 from Malta on a 45 minutes flying practise on 29 December 1939. This was followed by another 35 minutes flying practise with the same pilot and aircraft on 10 January 1940.

In March 1940, measures were taken to have the RAF Station Hal Far provided with a Station fighter Flight under the command of Wing Commander G. R. O’Sullivan. Nevertheless, Air Commodore F. H. Maynard, who in January 1940 had been appointed A.O.C. Malta, eventually was informed by Group Captain N. G. Gardner, Chief Administrative Officer, that apart from a few Swordfish (mostly floatplane version) in use by 3 A.A.C.U. (Anti-Aircraft Co-operation Unit) for target-towing duties, and a solitary radio-controlled de Havilland Queen Bee, the RAF had no other aircraft on the island! However, after consultation with his staff, Admiral Sir Andrew Cunningham, then Commander-in-Chief, Mediterranean, gave his permission to the RAF for the loan of six of the in Kalafrana stored Sea Gladiators. Among these were N5521, N5525, N5527, N5530 and N5533, which were taken in hand by flying officer Collins, Officer-in-Charge of the Aircraft Repair Section at Kalafrana. He had the biplanes assembled and delivered to Hal Far by early March. Furthermore Collins, who knew that his services would now be needed at Hal Far, volunteered to man a badly-needed maintenance crew, made up by eager British and Maltese servicemen.
Commodore Maynard knew that no trained fighter pilots were available on the island, but hardly had the word spread when volunteers began to gather. Flight Lieutenant George Burges, who had been Personal Assistant to Maynard was the first to volunteer. From Hal Far’s original staff came Squadron Leader Alan C. ‘Jock’ Martin, who was later picked to command the Flight. Two other members from the Hal Far Station Flight, Flying Officer William J. ‘Timber’ Woods and Flight Lieutenant Peter G. Keeble, enlisted as well. The other three volunteers were Flying Officer John L. Waters from 3 A.A.C.U, Flying Officer Peter W. Hartley also from 3 A.A.C.U and Flying Officer Peter Alexander who had previously been serving with an Experimental Flight, which had been operating the radio-controlled Queen Bee target drones. Sergeant L. F. Ashbury was also attached to the flight for a short time. Among these pilots it was only John Waters who had any previous experience with the Gladiators since he during March had been sent aboard HMS Glorious for one week (!) of fighter training with 802 Squadron from 5 to 13 March. During this period, he flew N5533, N5520, N5521, N5527, N5525, N5530 and N5521.

[Lt. S.Kafloc]

A fantastic amount of info there Kevin. Well done.

[Flying Officer Kyte]

Thanks for all the info Kevin.
At least that bears out what has been hinted at elsewhere. I can at best make an informed judgement now, and will probably go with your original decision on the R being most realistic for Charity and S for Faith. I will just have to wait for Hope.
Rob.

[Flying Officer Kyte]

Here we go then chaps. I can now add my own C-200s to the show. They will make an excellent escort for my Fiat BR 20 M once I complete it.











Rob.

[Sulring]

Very nice Rob. Excellent camouflage job on the C-200s.

[Flying Officer Kyte]

Very nice Rob. Excellent camouflage job on the C-200s.

Thanks Eric.
I still have spots before the eyes, and I still have the bomber to do. Thank goodness the Regia Aeronautica only sent out three or four bombers at a time over Malta!
Rob.

[richard m schwab]

Rob

That is why i like my Sweet 144 Kits. The green camo lines are on the decal sheet!


P.S. My F Toys CR-42`s are in route!



Rich

[Flying Officer Kyte]

Very nice aircraft Rich. I was very tempted to try that alternative camo style myself, but in the end the fact that the other style had some interesting red/brown in it won the vote.
Rob.

[Flying Helmut]

Very nice paint jobs all! - but I'm STILL not getting into WGS; really I'm not.............

[Flying Officer Kyte]

Very nice paint jobs all! - but I'm STILL not getting into WGS; really I'm not.............

Go on Tim, you know you want to really.
Rob.

[richard m schwab]

Rob

I have one more C.200 to repaint. Might try that overall sand with the green and brown blotches. My attempt at the overall green with the sand patches and a brown center was a disaster!


Rich

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[richard m schwab]

Tim

Resistance is futile, you only need a few planes. I know someone else who thought he would never fly past 1918. He is now a happy WW2 player. He has restricted himself to The Med and BOB though!


Rich

[Flying Officer Kyte]

Tim

Resistance is futile, you only need a few planes. I know someone else who thought he would never fly past 1918. He is now a happy WW2 player. He has restricted himself to The Med and BOB though!


Rich

Who on earth do you mean Rich? I just can't recall such a person on the Drome.
Bye the way, I will be very interested to see your sand, green and brown camo. I have just completed another bomber this morning and the spots before the eyes have returned.
Rob.

[richard m schwab]

Rob

I mentioned no names. I think a G&T or two will readjust those spots! My F-Toys CR-42`s arrived today from Hong Kong. I will move them to the top of the build list!


Rich

[Flying Officer Kyte]

Rob

I mentioned no names. I think a G&T or two will readjust those spots! My F-Toys CR-42`s arrived today from Hong Kong. I will move them to the top of the build list!


Rich

The G&Ts did the trick thanks Rich.
I look forward to seeing your CR 42s from F-Toys.
Rob.

[Blackronin]

Excellent job that all of you have done!
When mine arrive I'll try to live up to your skills, Gentlemen.

[richard m schwab]

Rob

That i will, i just looked at one to see how they go together!


Rich

[richard m schwab]

Rob


My humble attempt at a spotted C.200!


Rich

[OldGuy59]

Too many really nice planes, not enough time to do cards...

I will try, tho, once back at the mainframe. These paint jobs deserve them.

PS: I already have some of the camo schemes on a few C.202s in my Axis Fighter Album. Might be easier to do than I thought.

[richard m schwab]

Mike

Thank you! Max did some cards for three of those a while back.


Rich

[Flying Officer Kyte]

Nothing humble about those Rich.
They look fine to me.
Rob.

[richard m schwab]

Rob

Third time was a charm then!


Rich

[Nightbomber]

Here are my AIM Saettas of 79th Squadriglia (or at least they look like)

[Flying Officer Kyte]

Good to see them backing up the action Andy.
Mine fared very badly yesterday at Derby.
Rob.

[Lt. S.Kafloc]

Cracking flight there Andy. Hoping to get some Italians for my end of the Malta campaign.

[Blackronin]

These Saettas are wonderful, Andy!
REP!

[grumpybear]

Wonderful work done by everyone on great planes.

[FLt Brown]

Nice work love the even pattern achieved across the aircraft well done
Kev