Recived my shipment e-mail looking good time to start pestering the postie :cheezy:
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Recived my shipment e-mail looking good time to start pestering the postie :cheezy:
Ordered a Bf110, a Gladiator and a Falco :)
The Beaufighter has a service ceiling of 5800 metres = WGS top altitude 7. The climb rate is recorded as 8.2 m/s = WGS climb rate 4.
The Messerschmitt Bf 110C has a service ceiling of 10500 metres = WGS top altitude 12. The climb rate 11.5 m/s, which is right on the edge of WGS climb rate bands 3 or 4.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsUdbzQCm_Y
Nice Beau footage of the "ten gun terror"
And the makings of a corker of a scenario! Potential for an amazing con game
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Friday_(1945)
Got mail. My planes are on the way :)
It seems a new R&A Pack or an WoW or WoG Deluxe Version is a must have. ;)
Contained items in the new R&A Pack:
http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/alb...?albumid=2041:)
It is, Sven. I am really satisfied with the purchase I recommend it.
Here's what the RAP says:
Beaufighter Mk.IF climb 5 ceiling 11
Beaufighter Mk.VIF climb 5 ceiling 10
the Bf-110 isn't in the book :hmm:
Karl
Did these release today or not?
I see most vendors still have them listed as preorder...
Daniel, in stock and already shipping.
Oh sweet! Thanks for the heads up! Decisions decisions decisions!
Exactly!!! Gonna have to wait until next paycheck as disposable income went to four new tires this go around! I have waited this long, what's two more weeks?
Well boys, we have the Messerschmitt Bf 110 miniatures but no official word on top altitude and climb counters. I am going to post on the Ares Facebook page to try and get a quick reply on this one.
In the mean time I am using climb rate 3 (it is 11.5m/s, almost the same as the Hurricane at 11.4 m/s) and top altitude 12 (10000m, Hurricane is also 9990m and rated 12).
I bought Beaufighter and Me 110 models from my local games shop yesterday. Both planes have an Immelman turn card in their movement decks.
Hello all,
I have received the following response on Facebook from Ares Games regarding the Messerschmitt Bf 110C climb and top altitude numbers:
Wings of Glory Miniature Game wrote: "Here they are: Climb Rate 4 Maximum Altitude 11. We will add this info to the next version of the Errata/FAQ, thanks for spotting this error!"
So we now have the official stats.
Cheers,
Carl.
Noticed.
Thank you, Carl. :salute:
As soon as I'll grab them I'll insert stats.
Marco
I have made a few researches concerning the Messerschmitt Bf.110 ZG.26 3U-DS and its crew Schupp edited as a miniature by Ares (reference WGS202B) :
- because of the huge tanks underwings on the Schupp’s miniature, which have always seemed to me to be out of proportion.
Attachment 306108
- because of a picture posted by Ares on their official website, showing a soldier near a Bf.110 presented as German pilot Schupp.
But the standing soldier's uniform does not look like a German one’s but like a British sergeant.
https://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/at...0&d=1629632370
https://www.aresgames.eu/8973
(Ares has removed this picture since I informed them of the incorrect comment).
1) MESSERSCHMITT Bf.110 and SCHUPP
- Various precisions about the loss of Schupp aircraft :
27-9-40 / 3290/3U-DS / Bf.110C-4 / III/ZG26 Forced landing after combat, 1 mile SW Kimmeridge. Pilot - Uffz Fritz Schupp
http://dorset.hampshireairfields.co.uk/dorcrash.html
Fritz Schupp
Units: 8./ZG-26
Awards:*EK 2, Wound Badge, Destroyer Operational Clasp
Known Aircraft:*Bf 110C-4 WNr 3290 '3U+DS' (lost)
Remarks: POW 27 September, 1940 when during the attack on Parnall Yate, his one engine was disabled and set on fire by an attacking Spitfire of RAF No.152 Sqn, piloted by P/O A.R. Watson. Both crew were injured when the AC was force landed one mile SW of Kimmeridge, Dorset at 11:45 hours. His R/O-Gunner was also taken prisoner. (Source: Bristol Past, John Penny) His first victory, a Spitfire over England on 18 August, 1940. A 2nd Spitfire over England on 3 September, 1940.
2 aerial victories for Fritz Schupp
Date Pilot Name Unit Enemy A/C Height Time Location / Remarks
Sunday, August 18, 1940 Fritz Schupp 8./ZG26 Spitfire 14:27
Tuesday, September 03, 1940 Fritz Schupp 8./ZG26 Spitfire 11:26
source : http://www.aircrewremembered.com/Kra...rch_type=exact
27.09.40: Target Parnall Yate: III/ZG 26.
Bf 110C-4, Wnr.3290, 3U+DS of 8/ZG 26
Uffz. Fritz Schupp (F) POW injured
Gefr. Karl Nechwatal (Bf) POW injured
One engine disabled and set alight in attacks by P/O. A.R. Watson in a Spitfire of 152 Sq. (Warmwell). Force-landed 1 mile SW of Kimmeridge, Dorset at 11.45 hrs.
source 1 : http://fishponds.org.uk/luftbri10.html
source 2 : http://humanities.uwe.ac.uk/bhr/Main/ww2/8.htm
https://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/at...1&d=1630225639
Messerschmitt Bf 110C Zerstorer 8.ZG26 (3U+DS) Schupp belly landed England 1940
Also brought down on 27 September, 3U+DS W.Nr 3290 carries three victory bars on its fin. The fuselage side has a very light mottle applied. The crew of Uffz. Fritz Schupp, pilot, and Bordfunker, Gefr. Karl Nechwatel, survived the landing at Kimmeridge.
I have contacted Edward Mac Namus, a member of the Battle of Britain London Monument
(link : http://www.bbm.org.uk/airmen/WatsonAR.htm)
Here is his answer :
“The Sergeant is definitely from an army unit and may even be a Home Guard member, they could be used to guard the aircraft against souvenir hunters until RAF personnel came to inspect and dismantle the aircraft.
Most likely however is that he was a member of a Regular Army unit sent to disarm the weapons and ammunition and defuse any bombs, though at that time the Me110 did not carry any.”
At my request, Edward Mac Namus also sent me 2 pictures of this Bf.110 crew, Schupp and Nechwatel, edited in the book Zerstorer-Messerschmitt-110-Units-1940.
Edward Mac Namus lets us publish these pictures here.
https://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/at...6&d=1629632370
https://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/at...7&d=1629632370
https://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/at...8&d=1629632370
2) 900 LITERS TANK
The picture of this Bf.110 C-4 show it without any 900 litres additional tanks under wings.
https://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/at...6&d=1629631571
Messerschmitt Bf 110C Zerstorer 8.ZG26 (3U+DS) during Battle of Britain 1940
Actually, those 900 litres tanks were not particularly frequent and have been used for facilitating escorts for transport aircraft that served the supply routes for the Afrika Korps, as well as in attacks on ground and sea targets, over the Mediterranean and Northern Africa, by aircraft of 7. and 8./ZG26 :
https://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/at...9&d=1629631958
According to the picture comment above, these 900 litres tanks equipped Bf.110 D and E versions.
No very big visual differences between these versions (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messer...f_110#Variants).
(Pictures below from the website : https://www.asisbiz.com/il2/Bf-110/ZG26.III.html ).
https://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/at...7&d=1629631571
Messerschmitt Bf 110E Zerstorer ZG26 Sicily 1942
https://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/at...6&d=1630225186
Messerschmitt Bf 110F2 Zerstorer 9.ZG26 (3U+BT) most likely Sicily 1941
https://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/at...5&d=1630225186
Messerschmitt Bf 110D3 Zerstorer 9.ZG26 (3U+LT- 3U+MT) WNr 3406 Sicily 1941
https://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/at...8&d=1629631571
Messerschmitt Bf 110D Zerstorer 9.ZG26 (3U+DT) aerial photo MTO
https://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/at...4&d=1629631806
Messerschmitt Bf 110D3 Zerstorer ZG26 (3U+KR) Sicily 1941
https://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/at...3&d=1629631806
Messerschmitt Bf 110D3 Zerstorer ZG26 (3U+GS et 3U+FT) North Africa 1942
https://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/at...0&d=1629631958
Messerschmitt Bf 110D3 Zerstorer ZG26 (3U+KT et 3U+??) Over the Mediterranean
https://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/at...2&d=1629631806
Messerschmitt Bf 110D3 Zerstorer ZG26 (3U+ED) North Africa 1941
https://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/at...8&d=1629631958
Messerschmitt Bf 110E Zerstorer ZG26 (3U+BS)
https://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/at...7&d=1629631958
Messerschmitt Bf 110D3 Zerstorer ZG26 (3U+HS)
https://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/at...6&d=1629631958
Messerschmitt Bf 110E Zerstorer ZG26 (3U+AT) Sicily 1942
https://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/at...5&d=1629632174
Messerschmitt Bf 110E Zerstorer ZG26 (3U+FT) North Africa 1942
https://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/at...4&d=1629632174
Messerschmitt Bf 110E Zerstorer ZG26 (3U+CR) Mediterranean 1942
https://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/at...3&d=1629632174
Messerschmitt Bf 110E Zerstorer ZG26 (3U+CS) escorted by Fiat G50 Italy
So, the Schupp’s Messerschmitt Bf.110 ZG.26 3U-DS miniature shouldn’t have big tanks for a Battle of Britain version.
Ares has been informed and they may take it into account in case of future reprint.
Anyway, it won’t prevent anyone to use their miniatures in a game.
It is just about historical knowledge.
3) MESSERSCHMITT Bf.110 C-7 (Pilot CHRISTL)
Attachment 306133
WGS202B Ares Bf.110 miniature.
Note that this Bf.110 is identified as a E-2 version (and not C).
https://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/at...1&d=1629631806
Excellent research, Simon.
Well worth some REP.
:sAprvd:
Very good. I like this kind of historic research.
Superb research! :clap::clap:
I'll be certain to make good use of that!
Damn fine research work Simon. Thanks for sharing - Rep inbound :)
Great info Simon. Thanks for posting.
Thank you, Simon, that was interesting! :hatsoff:
REP!
Moreover, there are pictures (links below) of a Bf.110 with the same identification letters as the Schupp model (3U+DS) but notified as a E version and not a C.
Taken in North Africa in 1941, while the Schupp model was shot down in September 1940 in England.
It may have created confusion for Ares for the choice of design, pilot and equipment.
https://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/at...9&d=1630225639
Messerschmitt Bf 110E Zerstorer 8.ZG26 (3U+DS)
https://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/at...7&d=1630225639
Messerschmitt Bf 110E Zerstorer 8.ZG26 (3U+DS) North Africa 1941 (crashed)
https://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/at...8&d=1630225639
Messerschmitt Bf 110E Zerstorer 8.ZG26 (3U+DS) Wehmeyer 1942
Wow what research ! :sAprvd:
Thank you for the information.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diamondback
Very interesting.
Rep.
How these codes work: Before the Balkankruez (in this case 3U = ZG26) identifies Gruppe. Last letter ID's the Staffel (S = 8.[_G__]), the letter right after the BK is the individual aircraft in this squadron.
Rearranged to read in a hierarchical format, this plane would be 3U-S-D. Werkenummern (Works Numbers) weren't always visible and frequently overpainted, in contrast to USAAF practice which always tried to keep serials clearly visible. (Perhapsd because in places that didn't use RAF "buzz codes" the C/N was the only available ID system aside from colored stripes, bands or aircraft sections. Buzz codes were logical for ground observers but when you're doing 300mph and need a Friend/Foe ID RIGHTNOW....