T.B.C. Awaiting discussions with ARES

The latest update for the Series 3 reprint is that they are currently in production. How far into production, I don't know.

Update 20Dec16

I just received the list of pilots/planes for the reprint:

WGF117A Nieuport 17 (Baracca)
WGF117B Nieuport 17 (Nungesser)
WGF117C Nieuport 17 (Thaw)
WGF118A Albatros D.III (Frommerz)
WGF118B Albatros D.III (Gruber)
WGF118C Albatros D.III (Von Richthofen)
WGF205A Ufag C.I (161-37)
WGF205B Ufag C.I (161--109)
WGF205C Ufag C.I (161-138)
WGF206A RAF RE.8 (30 Squadron)
WGF206B RAF RE.8 (52 Squadron)
WGF206C RAF RE.8 (59 Squadron)

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Excellent! Looking forward to seeing them.

That's exciting, I wonder what the new paint schemes will be.

Ooooh, goody! :)

All the SE5's!!!!

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Originally Posted by Ben UK

All the SE5's!!!!

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No, that's Series 4 reprints.

These will be the Albatros DIIIs and the Nieuport 17/23s

Can't wait to see the new paint schemes! :money::minis: :clap:

Nice! I hope Nungesser's Ni.17 and Brumowski's D.III are reprinted.

Bring on the DIII's. Need some more for repaints.

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Originally Posted by Ben UK

All the SE5's!!!!

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Sorry Ben they are Series 4. Series 3 are the Albatross D.III, Nieuport 17, UFAG C.I and RAF RE.8.

I would like to see two German and one Austro-Hungarian Albatros, one each British, French and Italian N.17s, two RFC RE.8s and one AFC RE.8. All the UFAG C.Is that saw service during the Great War were Austro-Hungarian, but some were flown by the new Eastern European nations post-war, perhaps we could have one in Czech or Romanian colours?

If they are in production, someone must surely know which models are featured.........

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Originally Posted by BB401

If they are in production, someone must surely know which models are featured.........

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I was told "we will soon announce the details" by Ares.

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Originally Posted by Oberst Hajj

I was told "we will soon announce the details" by Ares.

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Looking forward to it! I only have ten Albatros D.IIIs and need many, many more.

Excellent news. Thank you, Herr Oberst.

Great news! Thanks for keeping us updated Herr Oberst! :thankyou:

Yes!!!

Yes, that is good news indeed. I hope that Ares will soon release details of which pilots are being commemorated.

I hope that they include Billy Bishop and Albert Ball for the Nieuport 17.

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Originally Posted by Darknight

I hope that they include Billy Bishop and Albert Ball for the Nieuport 17.

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I did hear that they claimed to be producing several Billy Bishop planes... but then again they could have just made that number up, you know a totally imaginary and fanciful number like say 72!

(I mean no offence to our amazing Canadian brethren - but it was too good a chance to pass up, lol)

But on a serious note - we have to have an Albert Ball plane - either the Nieuport or his SE.5a

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Originally Posted by Hedeby

I did hear that they claimed to be producing several Billy Bishop planes... but then again they could have just made that number up, you know a totally imaginary and fanciful number like say 72!

(I mean no offence to our amazing Canadian brethren - but it was too good a chance to pass up, lol)

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No offence taken.
I just believe that whatever you may think of Bishop's ability for exaggeration, he was undeniably a skilled ace and I'd like to see both Ball and Bishop represented in the Nieuport 17.

According to WW1 historian Peter Kilduff, German records (though notoriously patchy) can account for 21 named German pilots were likely victims of Billy Bishop.
His research indicates that Bishop's verified record (21) vs claims (72) is not dissimilar to other Allied Aces:
Mick Mannock - 21 verifed / 61 claimed
Albert Ball - 17 verified / 44 claimed
William Barker - 15 verified / 50 claimed
Eddie Rickenbacker - <10 verifed / 26 claimed

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Originally Posted by Darknight

According to WW1 historian Peter Kilduff, German records (though notoriously patchy) can account for 21 named German pilots were likely victims of Billy Bishop.
His research indicates that Bishop's verified record (21) vs claims (72) is not dissimilar to other Allied Aces:
Mick Mannock - 21 verifed / 61 claimed
Albert Ball - 17 verified / 44 claimed
William Barker - 15 verified / 50 claimed
Eddie Rickenbacker - <10 verifed / 26 claimed

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Fascinating - thanks for posting that.

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Originally Posted by Hedeby

I did hear that they claimed to be producing several Billy Bishop planes... but then again they could have just made that number up, you know a totally imaginary and fanciful number like say 72!

:thumbsup::sAprvd::lol:

(I mean no offence to our amazing Canadian brethren - but it was too good a chance to pass up, lol)

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Originally Posted by Darknight

No offence taken.
I just believe that whatever you may think of Bishop's ability for exaggeration, he was undeniably a skilled ace and I'd like to see both Ball and Bishop represented in the Nieuport 17.

According to WW1 historian Peter Kilduff, German records (though notoriously patchy) can account for 21 named German pilots were likely victims of Billy Bishop.
His research indicates that Bishop's verified record (21) vs claims (72) is not dissimilar to other Allied Aces:
Mick Mannock - 21 verifed / 61 claimed
Albert Ball - 17 verified / 44 claimed
William Barker - 15 verified / 50 claimed
Eddie Rickenbacker - <10 verifed / 26 claimed

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:D CJ, I am not sure from where you sourced the above statistics but they vary greatly from those given in "Above the Trenches" by Christopher Shores, Norman Franks & Russell Guest published in 1990 & which is considered the seminal work on British & Commonwealth Aces Bios & Scores.

In their section on Mannock they list from the official records that he had a total of 41 either Destroyed or Captured. The balance were OCC's

As far as Pilots with an extremely high % of Confirmations Vs Claims, one pilot stands out & that is James McCudden with a total of no less than 19 Captured & 28 Destroyed out of a total of 57. That means only 10 were claimed & accepted as OOC's.

Hope this is of interest to you.:)

Pardon my higorance, but what does OCC stand for ?
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OOC, Pete--Out Of Control.

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Originally Posted by DarrylH

OOC, Pete--Out Of Control.

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Ha ha - like my Keller in the last AAR
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Originally Posted by Oberst Hajj

I was told "we will soon announce the details" by Ares.

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Good news.

I would like some additional Albatross D.III & Ufag C.I.

Kilduff's book is more recent (2014), and is an examination of Bishop's career.
He is quite well-published on WW1 airmen and the air war.

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Originally Posted by Darknight

Kilduff's book is more recent (2014), and is an examination of Bishop's career.
He is quite well-published on WW1 airmen and the air war.

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Hi CJ. What does your Kilduff say about Guynemer? I read a biography and it said he underclaimed.

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Originally Posted by Darknight

Kilduff's book is more recent (2014), and is an examination of Bishop's career.
He is quite well-published on WW1 airmen and the air war.

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Hi CJ!
I have many of Peter Kilduff's books including the ones on Goring, Degelow, Berthold & Bishop.
I really think Peter's expertise is in the German Pilots & he took many of BB's letters home as proof of things & was much too generous in giving him the benefit of the doubt & in matching BB's claims to German Losses.
Russ Gannon & others on the Aerodrome Historical Forum have much better matching for other pilots against what Peter claimed for Bishop.

Mate, not Bishop "Bashing" just trying to keep things in perspective as current Historians opinion is that Bishop did overclaim way too much not the least about the famous Aerodrome Raid.

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Originally Posted by Baxter

Hi CJ. What does your Kilduff say about Guynemer? I read a biography and it said he underclaimed.

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Hi Gary.
Peter Killduff was only covering Bishop & made no investigations into French Pilots.
From my own knowledge, yes Guynemer did not claim many victories he could have.
Mannock was the same & often gave kills to new pilots after he had "softened up" the target & let the new chum deliver the Coupe de Grace.

I'm not trying to state that Bishop didn't over-claim, the British claims system made it inevitable (not to mention the excitement of battle and most fighting taking place over German-held territory).
Bishop was also a product of the times, where the need to have some heroes to look up to for morale was a factor in the RFC (added to various aces incentive for self-promotion).
Bishop was what he was, though at the end of the day, whether you believe all his claims or even a reduced amount, he was was still a brave and skilled ace pilot (like many others).
Personally, I've always preferred Collishaw.
Ultimately, I would love to see Bishop's Nieuport (and eventually a reprinted SE5a), Ball's Nieuport, and McCudden and Mannock's SE5a's; that would cover most of the bigger Empire names.
With the new cards coming with the planes, it would be nice to have those aces.

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Originally Posted by Barkmann

Nice! I hope Nungesser's Ni.17 and Brumowski's D.III are reprinted.

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They always re-print the best-selling model of the original Series, so you can be sure that Brumowski's will be re-printed.
I don't know which one was the best selling Ni-17 though.

For the Ni.17 I hope we get one from Esc. Lafayette and an Italian one. Fingers crossed for Ruffo Di Calabria's

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Originally Posted by Darknight

I'm not trying to state that Bishop didn't over-claim, the British claims system made it inevitable (not to mention the excitement of battle and most fighting taking place over German-held territory).
Bishop was also a product of the times, where the need to have some heroes to look up to for morale was a factor in the RFC (added to various aces incentive for self-promotion).
Bishop was what he was, though at the end of the day, whether you believe all his claims or even a reduced amount, he was was still a brave and skilled ace pilot (like many others).
Personally, I've always preferred Collishaw.
Ultimately, I would love to see Bishop's Nieuport (and eventually a reprinted SE5a), Ball's Nieuport, and McCudden and Mannock's SE5a's; that would cover most of the bigger Empire names.
With the new cards coming with the planes, it would be nice to have those aces.

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A nations war effort, morale and propaganda had a lot to gain about having an ace with a large amount of victories. If victories were exaggerated it was overlooked sometimes for the interest of national morale. With that said Bishop was a great ace even "if" some of his victories were "morale victories".

I am hoping that at least one of the new Ufag C.I's will have twin forward firing guns. The snag is that whilst there are sources confirming that some planes had the twin forward guns, I cannot find an actual picture saying that the particular plane shown had twin guns.

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Originally Posted by Naharaht

I am hoping that at least one of the new Ufag C.I's will have twin forward firing guns. The snag is that whilst there are sources confirming that some planes had the twin forward guns, I cannot find an actual picture saying that the particular plane shown had twin guns.

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Twin forward firing guns were tested on aircraft 161.31 in July 1918 they were not installed on production machines. This does not preclude the possibility that the UFAG machines were modified by the Fliks that flew them. A-H modified production aircraft at squadron level probably more than any other country.

Thank you for that piece of information, John. It explains the situation very well. :thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by Oberst Hajj

I was told "we will soon announce the details" by Ares.

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Been almost a month.....what's the word mate? :)