Well Gents,
If the arrival and sale of all the new Ares planes continues here in the U.S. first, the economy can't help but improve! :cheezy:
Sorry, had a moment there.........:slysmile:
James
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Well Gents,
If the arrival and sale of all the new Ares planes continues here in the U.S. first, the economy can't help but improve! :cheezy:
Sorry, had a moment there.........:slysmile:
James
Well Italy and China will have a improvement in their balance of trade, so their economy should improve (not gonna get into the methods that the numbers will not reflect these due to normal political procedures). But they will do so, at the expense of the north american budgets.
For a European company I think their distribution system and their inability to adequately support their European customer base is turning out to be a bit p**s poor! At least with nexus every got the odd release about the same time. This is just rubbish.Quote:
Sorry UK players, looks like these might be on the streets of the USA before you can buy a Bomber Pack over there.
I'm with David on this one,another string of broken promises. New rules, Series 5, bombers. Very poor treatment of a loyal fan base.
Still so near yet so far for us here in the U.K.
After the euphoria of Sheffield Triples has now had two weeks to calm down, I can't but wonder if the new keen punters that we excited will have the staying power to wait for the release date, or move on to pastures new.
We all know how fickle some Wargamers are.
Ares are losing sales already, and even I have gone to the good old US. of A. for mine.
Rob.
It's really strange. I bought my 4 new Ares bombers over a week ago at my country online store and got them in 24 hours. Wonder how the distribution system for Europe works...:erk:, but as for Poland, we have no reason to complain...
http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/sho...992#post147992
It's a dastardly plot sir. A dastardly plot I tell you.
They are going to make us capture all of ours as they fly over.
I shall write a strongly worded letter to the Times about this.
Ernest Able. (Acting CO. Bentangles Aerodrome. Somewhere in France)
Believe me, I really feel for you guys across the pond. I think Ares should be taking a good long look at how their distibution system works, and whom they get to distribute their product.
Well for me they have lost the bombers sale. As for series 5 they pushing it now :(
It's not very far.......Maybe you guys should make a road trip to Italy, You know the old...."Honey, You've been cooped up for a while, let's go to Italy for a week!" :cheezy:
Turn key, start engine, flip switch on for hobby shop radar, push on gas................. :minis:
As a back up, don't forget the hard copy route itinerary with all the shops listed along the way!
James
Me too, I have gone the Shapeways route for bombers.
Might still buy some of the early fighter planes, but have already got some from other sources.
Depends on how much they are going to hammer us for cost as well.
Ares better get their act together before they lose more trade.
Do some of you even read before you rant? 100% compatibility yes. No more non-mini version of the game. That means there is no intent of selling the card based version only , i.e. boosters, revision aircraft cards, etc. at this time or even possibly forever.
As a lot of you express so often, you buy non Wings product. So why should anyone support you in that? Mostly I read that most of you simply copy a set of cards and drive on. So now you have to get someone to photoshop you a set of revisions? tsk tsk, my heart fair bleeds for ya!
Hang on there a minute Al.
If we could get the product we would.
Being starved of aircraft for nigh on 18 months and then watching the rest of the World and his dog get supplied a month before we even see any signs of even being able to pre order over here is bound to sour off some of the players. I'm pretty mild myself, but even I have had to place my order in the States, with all the added cost that this entails.
You might not like the fact, but the truth is that we are losing prospective players because of it.
Rob.
Do you really blame third party products for the decision not to produce card versions?
That seems a bit odd.
They might not get as good a margin on cards as on minis, but it would still be a sale wouldn't it.
Anyway, I'd be very surprised if any but relatively few hard core gamers would go all out and only buy third party planes - Not to mention also making their own cards.
Even if some customers augment their collection with non-official products, Ares could probably earn more by creating a loyal client base than by being stingy and not releasing a few booster card sets every now and then.
There. That was my 5 öres worth.
/Niclas
Al does like a good rant doesn't he.
Not sure what you are getting at.
I will still support WoG when they produce items that I want and like.
I have numerous WOW box sets, 60+ planes, 2 balloons etc
The only non standard items I have are some planes that WoG don't produce yet or are not available and I have printed of some plane cards from this site.
Don
My local shops do not yet have the bombers as well. I was speaking to one of the owners and he was telling me that the distributors in Western Canada are hesitant to get the WoG products in until they have enough commitments from the stores. They are afraid of the stigma of Nexus and Wings of War.
The reason that we mostly have to source mostly non-Wings products is that mostly there are mostly no products in our market.
The UK is in itself not an insignificant market, (if the members of our flight is any yardstick), yet we seem to be left as 'Tail-Gun Charlie' when it comes to supply. (My sympathies extend to our antipodean cousins on this one, who do get a far sh*****r end of the stick).
We would all prefer the opportunity to purchase "originals", but to have to buy from overseas at inflated prices is, quite frankly, galling.
We are, however, lucky that in the UK we enjoy a wide base of alternatives suppliers, who are more than happy to fill in the gaps that Nexus (and now Ares) have consistently failed to capitalise on.
Having spent time trying to introduce potential players to the game it is frustrating, to say the least, to repeat over and over that "unfortunately you cannot get the "official" games or models (WWI) without paying over the odds and that is if you can find them".
The WGF items that are now available are supplied unsupported by a game system and though I concede the WGS system may be available, the supply is rationed.
We can all forgive the initial 'inevitable' delays that occur from trying to restart the production process and compliments where compliments are due, Andrea has gone further than most would have done. (:salute:, to you Sir) But, sadly, we seem to be returning to the dark days of Nexus: limited products, poor supply, inflating prices and that will lead us to the same old practices:
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
I am, unfortunately, with Boney10 on this one, if Ares cannot deliver on their ambitions - 'Adapt and Overcome'. :salute:
P.S. Thanks for the offer, but I have enough decks without having to scan them in... but I do have a surfeit of altitude pegs. Mostly.
I'm with the blokes who say they are losing patience. :mad:
I only have a limited budget and, although I would be buying planes if they were available, my Macedonian 28mm army is being built up and the money will have gone to Warlord Games rather than Ares. Their loss.
Richard
Now, if I'm to vent some frustration...
Admittedly, I'm in what could (probably even should) be called a marginal market, but I'm still annoyed that Ares hasn't bothered to push the fact that their minis are compatible WoW enough so that even my LGS don't get it. Every time I go in there to ask for the bombers (about once a day), I'm met by a new employee who says "Oh yes, pity about that, complete overhaul of the rule. No compatibility between the new and the old game". It seems that this has also made them cautious in ordering the stuff - The WWII WoG has come in, but only two of each. Now Stockholm isn't a very big city, but you would think that they could at least count on more than about one potential mini crazed gamer per million - or I'm I wrong?
/Niclas
No Niclas you are right.
Rob.
Funny -- I was about to suggest something similar; Azathoth knows, in the time it's taken so far, every British member of this Forum could have driven to Italy, bought the needed minis, come home, and gotten in at least one game.
As it is, tho': I think us Poor Benighted Colonials are going to have to set up an "arsenal of freedom" to help out the Mother Country -- again. :)
Talking about overlooked countries: Germany
Being financially in a way better situation than most other countries and having 80+ millions people living here (close to 100 million if you add Switzerland and Austria) you could think we would be treated better, but: Nada!
Many companies are so fixed on the angloamerican market that they overlook the millions speaking other languages in countries that have a lot of money to spend. Also, these days I have to check my credit card billing twice when buying in UK or USA... Can´t believe how much Dollars/Pounds you get these days for one Euro.
Gentlemen, (slipping into Old Sarge lecture mode...)
You really need to relax a little.
Please remember that Ares is making valient efforts to succeed in a very uphill battle, with limited funds and reliance on a manufacturor from a totally different continent half a world away. I'm also sure that Andrea and crew are well aware of the loss in sales they continue to acrue while trying to get things up and running efficiently. Ares business world dosn't work on our ingrained need for immediate satisfaction.
Yes, other models are out there, and Andrea has'nt made bones about liscensing all the reproduction and product created by our members using his system. So make your choices. If you need 1to 1 aircraft from 1914-1927 right this minute, then please frequent the other distributors and spend all your time building and painting your models. Trashing our favorite supply officer and his team, who are trying so hard to save our favorite game and provide us new models, is detrimental to our future gaming. Personally, I will continue to support Ares games, as well as other hobby dealers who support our needs to the best of my ability and finances.
If the distributors and your LGS are waiting to see the result of the new WOG sales before commiting, that is not Ares fault. Even our distributors and local dealers have only made minimal purchases to test the waters. If your local LGS still have WOW box sets and and aircraft floating around after all these months, you have no one to blame but yourselves for their hesitancy to start over. Team up, walk in, and offer to clear the old WOW off their shelves for a discount and give them an incentive to reinvest in Wings of Glory.
Stop whining, repeat your general orders 6 times, perform the manual of arms (think Hdqtrs BEF, France 1940) and get out there and fix your local problem.
Sincerely,
James (don's flying jacket and cap)
But that is just the point. Ares is starting from a very unenviable position. As others have mentioned that have to overcome the stigma of Nexus and all its faults. Poor release schedules, poor distribution, poor availability etc. To come to market and apparently display a similar approach will win them no friends. They have to be better from the start precisely because they are facing that up hill battle.Quote:
Please remember that Ares is making valient efforts to succeed in a very uphill battle
I found myself in a similar situation some years back - a technical area, not a business one for sure, but I inherited a team and an area of responsibility where the previous incumbent had been, shall we say, less that great. The reputation of the team and its work was less than zero. So I had to work bloody hard to get around all the disgruntled ex-"customers" and influential people, much harder than any of the other team leaders, to show that the old ways were dead and buried, that we were back and we were a million times better. and then we backed that message up with hard work to ensure we delivered on that new message. That is what Ares has to do in these first few years.
So sitting in the US with 12-7 sending you models for a decent knock-down price saying "calm down chaps" is understandable but, IMHO, rather misses the point - that whilst a portion of the customer base can say "I'm alright jack, I'm inboard" there are many who can't, and who see the current situation as "same old same old".
David,
I can relate to your story, I've been in something similar since last July. My predecessor was hauled away in handcuffs :hmm: and I've suffered the underlying negativity ever since while trying to gain customer trust and regain lost customers.
You said:
"That is what Ares has to do in these first few years."
Good, I agree, :thumbsup: It's only been a couple of months and product is starting to move. Business Morale in this world wide economy is a fragile thing. The negative comments now appearing on this thread are not about the quality of the Ares product, But about the fact that Ares cannot control all the intangibles that hazard the product from manufacture,importing from the far east, and all the hassle that go's with it, through world wide distribution, and the hesitancy of the local retailer.
Anticipation is a pain, :envy: I was there until a few days ago when I finally scored a new WGF product right off the shelf. Come on guy's, please ease up a little, provide a little more vocal positive support, and knock down a few more enemy aircraft while patiently waiting for your turn at your LGS. :crash:
If you must complain, at least use a few more sarcastic smilies or something to lighten the message! :FOK:
Sincerely,
James
Niclas, perchance are this guy's eyes brown? He sounds like he's full of brownware enough they should be...
(For the record, I have brown eyes myself and have had "you're so full of crap no wonder your eyes are brown" served up on me a few times... usually followed by a Gibbs-slapping with the facts from me.)
@ Diamondback : "Gibbs-slapping"...:) Now I like that one:thumbsup:
Gentlemen .. There is light at the end of the tunnel! ( Only Belgians will get this one :p:p:p )... My favourite German supplier has put the Wings of War products on his site for pre-order...:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:
Now If I manage to convince ( :wafangry: :pray: )"the Colonel" of my need of more planes:minis:, it looks like I am finally going to be able to spend my hard-earned cash.:):):)
Well Alex, we can actually do Gibbs' slapping here on the Drome.:smack:
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Rob.
It is just as bad in Australia, I have given up on Australian suppliers and now buy directly from the States, with the dollar near parity it does not cost much extra. Another thing is that the local games stores are being priced out of the market by the larger shops who have lower prices. I am all for supporting my local store, but the fact is I am a disability pensioner and have got to make every dollar count.:mad:
I am glad they are coming. I have the money saved to buy them now.
P.S. I hope this site does not turn into the War At Sea one.
In what sense, John? Not to call you out, but if you mean Forumini, as a Mod over there I'm always interested in how to make the site more accommodating... The "official" WOTC forum... well, I don't know why they even bother pretending about it.
I wasn't aware of the Forumini site. We have been discussing War at Sea on the SoG Anchorage site. I posted a link to it there.
I'd reccommend buying online from 12-7-Games and having them ship to the UK. It might be a LOT faster.
http://12-7-games.com/
(Or some other favorite US based seller.)
Bobby, speaking as a Mod over there, bring your Nomex underwear... we have some real trolls and Munchkins who know how to stay JUST short of Admin letting me break out the Majestic Banhammer of Bastarddom, I'm afraid.
Just placed my order for Series 5. Hope it comes soon.
First Rule Of Effective Trolling: Never use the word "you", or variants thereof -- "direct attacks" make it easy to justify bans.
Second Rule of Effective Trolling: Never tell them what you just told them -- making a specific point gives a Mod a hook from which to take the Banhammer. (This is why anyone using the phrase "just sayin'" needs to be annihilated utterly; "just sayin'" is code for "I've made my point; but if I say specifically what my point is, I can be Banned with justification".)
Take those two Rules, and enjoy hours of Banhammer-Free Trolling, with the bonus of knowing the Mods are hamstrung in their efforts to deal with you.... >;)
Haven't been to the Forumini site in some time. Have to visit again soon.